PipeChat Digest #529 - Tuesday, September 22, 1998
 
Re: Hedman Auction BARGAINS: Wurlitzer pipeorg: $65!!!!
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Hedman Auction BARGAINS: Wurlitzer pipeorg: $65!!!!
  by "jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: What should the name be? A TO list is coming!!!
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Practice Technique - Part 1
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>
Re: Practice Technique
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Hedman Auction BARGAINS: Wurlitzer pipeorg: $65!!!! From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:28:46 EDT   TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES "THE REST OF THE STORY"   Response to Hedman auction for Wurlitzer pipe organ for $65   There are several things which need to be cleared up about this so called $65.00 Wurlitzer Pipe Organ bargain. The sold bid price was $60 plus $3 tax. Or was supposed to be.   1. This was not a complete organ, as one was led to believe by the information in the flyer, but a collection of odd and sundry parts of a Wurlitzer, Robert Morton and Marr & Colton.   2. There was no console, no swell shades, no blower and no relay. Or so I was told.   3. I inquired on Friday if the organ would be sold as a unit or separate parts. I wasn"t given an answer either way.   4. I was interested in several of the Wurlitzer parts, and noticed that individual tags were not on all the parts Friday evening, but were Saturday morning. So I assumed from this that the items would be sold separately and decided to hang around for the auction. I had also been told that a number of TO people were interested in the pipe organ and would be there to bid.   5. When the auctioneer started to auction the "so called Theater Organ", he wanted a bid on the entire package. Neither he or anyone else associated with the auction stated that there was a reserve bid of $850, or did he or anyone else produce any documentation stating such, then or later.. The bidding started out at $50. I was surprised when no one bid, so I bid even though I did not want all of the equipment,and had no way to haul it 900 miles at the time. The auctioneer then asked for $55, and one other person out of a group of about 40 people bid. The auctioneer then tried to raise the bid to $60 which I finally bid. He was unable to get anyone to go higher, and I was declared the winner.   Question? Where were all of these people who were supposed to be so interestred in the pipe organ parts? One of the two people who seemed to be peeved at the sale and later indicated to me that there was a reserve bid was standing approximately 3 feet in front of the auctioneer while the sale was being made. He had every opportunity to call the reserve bid to the auctioneers' attention, or raise an objection, but never said anything. This person was John Ferguson. I believe the second person was in that group also, but am not positive.   6. I had no knowledge at that time that there was going to be any trouble over this sale. All I know is that I was a legally registered bidder, bid on an item in good faith and I won the bid as witnessed by about 40 people.   7 I then went to the office, paid for the miscellaneous organ parts, and was given a receipt which legally made me the owner. I spent about 45 minutes back over at the warehouse trying to locate some people to help me load up the parts, and also inquired as to where I could rent a large U-HAUL.   8. A trip was made across town to get the trailer and hitch. Out of pocket expenses for this was $400.   9. I came back to the warehouse and had to wait about an hour to start loading up.   10. Two very heavy and large boxes of pipes had been loaded into the trailer when the second peeved individual came running into the building and shouted to the helpers to stop loading. He stated that a COURT ORDER had been issued declaring the sale null and void because the parts had not sold for enough. I informed him that I had won the bid in good faith. Had paid. And had a receipt giving me ownership. This incident was witnessed by a number of people. I also asked to see a copy of this so called court order, especially since courts aren't open on Saturday. No copy could be produced. I was then told that the lawyer had made this decision. I don't think a lawyer constitutes a court. So much for court orders, sounds more like B/S. We went to the office where I was supposed to talk to the lawyer to try to find out what was going on. He was not there, but allegedely had spoken to peeved individual #2 on the phone. When I insisted that I be allowed to speak to him, I was told that he could not be reached. At this time I felt sure that I was being fed a line of B/S, and indicated that I had just spent $400 dollars to rent a trailer and expected to be reimbursed since the estate had reneged on the sale. The attitude displayed to me by peeved individual #2 was tough Shit, that's your problem. At this point my patience ran out and I indicated that I would sue the estate if they insisted on reneging on the deal. I was smartly told to go right ahead After asking Peeved/Individual #2 several times why the sale was cancelled, (by him, incidentally),he finally told me that a reserve bid of $850 had been received. My reply was, ok, show it to me. Stone walled again; he couldn't produce it!. I finally told him that he had to give me or anyone else willing; a chance to top the "invisible" bid. He agreed, and I bid $850 and 1 cent. His reply, SOLD. Strange, it didn't take any directive from the court or lawyer when the price was right. I went back to the trailer office and wrote a check for $850.01. Problem solved.   I had several people come up to me and give me their names and addresses and offer to be witnesses to this incident. They indicated they would be incensed if this stunt had been pulled on them   I have yet to see any court order or reserve bid to back up any of the claims made to me. All I know is I had to come with an additional $790.01.     I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT A FEW QUESTIONS.   1. If you were the person who was treated this way, what would you have done or do?   2. Under the circumstances, would you feel that you owned the merchandise for the original bid or would you have paid an additional $790.01 to keep from losing $400 and going home empty handed?   3. Would you think you had been ripped off?   4. Would this stunt hold up under legal scrutiny?   5. Can someone running an auction just arbitrarily change their mind and take something back after they sell it, you have paid for it and have a receipt?   I understand that very few items went for anywhere near what the estate was hoping to get, but the handbill stated that all of the assets would be sold at auction to the highest bidder.   PS. I am from the deep deep south and do have a drawl. Thank you for the compliment. Visit the Miss.Gulf Coast and leave all of your money at the casinos. They will pick your bones clean.   Phil Lyons Jr. Organut@AOL.com 228-832-3475  
(back) Subject: Re: Hedman Auction BARGAINS: Wurlitzer pipeorg: $65!!!! From: jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:02:46 -0400   The only thing I would have done differently: 1. load the truck 2. say you would wait 1 hour for the so called documents 3. get your witness list in order (name & tel no) 4. leave 5. if that failed (negotiated for a cheap a prices as possible.)   Phil I do hope the trip was worth it terms of what you received. As the kids say today you got scammed. I'm from Maine but my two vistis to Biloxi were great experiences. ( I am a serious 7 card stud poker player& the games were weaker than back here in the east.)   ORGANUT@aol.com wrote:   > TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES "THE REST OF THE STORY" > > Response to Hedman auction for Wurlitzer pipe organ for $65 > > There are several things which need to be cleared up about this so called > $65.00 > Wurlitzer Pipe Organ bargain. The sold bid price was $60 plus $3 tax. Or > was > supposed to be. > > 1. This was not a complete organ, as one was led to believe by the > information > in the flyer, but a collection of odd and sundry parts of a Wurlitzer, Robert > Morton > and Marr & Colton. > > 2. There was no console, no swell shades, no blower and no relay. Or so I > was > told. > > 3. I inquired on Friday if the organ would be sold as a unit or separate > parts. > I wasn"t given an answer either way. > > 4. I was interested in several of the Wurlitzer parts, and noticed that > individual > tags were not on all the parts Friday evening, but were Saturday morning. So > I > assumed from this that the items would be sold separately and decided to hang > around for the auction. I had also been told that a number of TO people were > interested in the pipe organ and would be there to bid. > > 5. When the auctioneer started to auction the "so called Theater Organ", > he wanted a bid on the entire package. Neither he or anyone else associated > with the auction stated that there was a reserve bid of $850, or did he or > anyone > else produce any documentation stating such, then or later.. The bidding > started > out at $50. I was surprised when no one bid, so I bid even though I did not > want > all of the equipment,and had no way to haul it 900 miles at the time. The > auctioneer then asked for $55, and one other person out of a group of about 40 > people bid. The auctioneer then tried to raise the bid to $60 which I finally > bid. > He was unable to get anyone to go higher, and I was declared the winner. > > Question? Where were all of these people who were supposed to be so > interestred > in the pipe organ parts? One of the two people who seemed to be peeved at the > sale > and later indicated to me that there was a reserve bid was standing > approximately > 3 feet in front of the auctioneer while the sale was being made. He had every > opportunity to call the reserve bid to the auctioneers' attention, or raise an > objection, > but never said anything. This person was John Ferguson. I believe the > second > person was in that group also, but am not positive. > > 6. I had no knowledge at that time that there was going to be any trouble > over > this sale. All I know is that I was a legally registered bidder, bid on an > item in good > faith and I won the bid as witnessed by about 40 people. > > 7 I then went to the office, paid for the miscellaneous organ parts, and > was > given a receipt which legally made me the owner. I spent about 45 minutes back > over at the warehouse trying to locate some people to help me load up the > parts, > and also inquired as to where I could rent a large U-HAUL. > > 8. A trip was made across town to get the trailer and hitch. Out of pocket > expenses for this was $400. > > 9. I came back to the warehouse and had to wait about an hour to start > loading > up. > > 10. Two very heavy and large boxes of pipes had been loaded into the > trailer > when the second peeved individual came running into the building and shouted > to > the helpers to stop loading. He stated that a COURT ORDER had been issued > declaring the sale null and void because the parts had not sold for enough. I > informed him that I had won the bid in good faith. Had paid. And had a receipt > giving me ownership. This incident was witnessed by a number of people. I > also > asked to see a copy of this so called court order, especially since courts > aren't > open on Saturday. No copy could be produced. I was then told that the lawyer > had made this decision. I don't think a lawyer constitutes a court. So much > for > court orders, sounds more like B/S. We went to the office where I was > supposed > to talk to the lawyer to try to find out what was going on. He was not there, > but > allegedely had spoken to peeved individual #2 on the phone. When I insisted > that I be allowed to speak to him, I was told that he could not be reached. > At > this time I felt sure that I was being fed a line of B/S, and indicated that I > had > just spent $400 dollars to rent a trailer and expected to be reimbursed since > the > estate had reneged on the sale. The attitude displayed to me by peeved > individual #2 was tough Shit, that's your problem. At this point my patience > ran out and I indicated that I would sue the estate if they insisted on > reneging on > the deal. I was smartly told to go right ahead After asking > Peeved/Individual > #2 several times why the sale was cancelled, (by him, incidentally),he finally > told > me that a reserve bid of $850 had been received. My reply was, ok, show it to > me. > Stone walled again; he couldn't produce it!. I finally told him that he had > to give > me or anyone else willing; a chance to top the "invisible" bid. He agreed, > and > I bid $850 and 1 cent. His reply, SOLD. Strange, it didn't take any > directive > from the court or lawyer when the price was right. I went back to the trailer > office > and wrote a check for $850.01. Problem solved. > > I had several people come up to me and give me their names and addresses > and offer to be witnesses to this incident. They indicated they would be > incensed if this stunt had been pulled on them > > I have yet to see any court order or reserve bid to back up any of the claims > made to me. All I know is I had to come with an additional $790.01. > > I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT A FEW QUESTIONS. > > 1. If you were the person who was treated this way, what would you > have done or do? > > 2. Under the circumstances, would you feel that you owned the merchandise > for the original bid or would you have paid an additional $790.01 to keep from > losing $400 and going home empty handed? > > 3. Would you think you had been ripped off? > > 4. Would this stunt hold up under legal scrutiny? > > 5. Can someone running an auction just arbitrarily change their mind and > take something back after they sell it, you have paid for it and have a > receipt? > > I understand that very few items went for anywhere near what the estate was > hoping to get, but the handbill stated that all of the assets would be sold at > auction to the highest bidder. > > PS. I am from the deep deep south and do have a drawl. Thank you for the > compliment. Visit the Miss.Gulf Coast and leave all of your money at the > casinos. They will pick your bones clean. > > Phil Lyons Jr. > Organut@AOL.com > 228-832-3475 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: What should the name be? A TO list is coming!!! From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:36:32 EDT   Terry,   Wurlitzer used a wood called sugar pine. It is a soft wood but has no knots. Comes from nothern California. They also used poplar ocassionally.   Later, Phil Lyons  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Technique - Part 1 From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:56:57 -0500   D1Bar@aol.com wrote:   > Also, using the metronome provides the discipline for accurate performance as > well as builds in the steadiness that is sometimes difficult to maintain in > certain compositions.   David Craighead was always very particular when talking about the use of the metronome. The one thing that has been burned permanently into my mind is that "...the metronome doesn't tell you what to do, it tells you what you're doing." Ideally, we should be able to keep our own tempo, but a metronome will tell us the places where our tempo is slipping, and what we're doing wrong.   RH    
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Technique From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:03:02 -0500   KARL W KELLER wrote:   > enjoy it. I read music but not well. When I am working on a piece it > helps me to be able to HEAR it before I try it. Yes, I am imitating what > I hear but if I didn't use this method I would be lost.   There are two objections that I would raise to this.   1. If you've heard a piece before, or own a recording of it, it's additionally tempting to try and play too fast too soon. I don't want to think about how many practice hours I've wasted by diving in and trying to play something "like the CD" before doing my homework and fingerings. Naturally, a previous recording might get the student excited about it and motivate them to work hard at it, but it's an additional strain on one's practice discipline.   2. Some musicians call the advent of recording technology the demise of musicianship. You can only hear a piece the first time once, and that hearing has a permanent effect on how you play it. No matter how many other recordings you listen to, the greatest influence is usually had by the first recording you hear and you're subconsciously comparing everything else to that one model.   RH