PipeChat Digest #781 - Sunday, April 4, 1999
 
Re: Good Friday
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: Good Friday
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: MacFarlane's "Christ Our Passover"
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Good Friday
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Ralph Kinder - In Springtime
  by "Aida van de Brake" <Celeste@cable.A2000.nl>
langlais CD
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Just a Reminder
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Just a Reminder
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: Just a Reminder
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Good Friday From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:54:12 EST   Dear Bud, Happy Easter. You, no doubt, will need a short vacation after this Easter Week. After reading your posting, I was thinking that you are gettign more Roman as I knew the Roman Catholic Church to be than it is now. If you get a chance, there is an article on the Oxford \Conference on the net regarding the fact that Roman Catholics are being denied their Liturgical tradition in the church since Vatican II. Wondered what your thoughts on it were. Peace, Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Friday From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:25:07 -0800   Hi, Paul!   If you could give me a URL for the article, I'd like to read it.   There's an old joke: the celebrant at an RC Solemn Mass turns to the deacon and says, "for heaven's sake don't sneeze or the Anglicans will have it in the liturgy by next week."   When the Oxford Movement started in the 1820s, English liturgical traditions were long-forgotten ... so when the high-church party set about to restore catholic liturgy and ceremonial, their only model was Rome. And since the Church or England more-or-less refused to legislate on matters liturgical and ceremonial (other than the infamous "Black Rubric" passed by Parliament in Queen Victoria's time, which forbade most of what the high-church party was doing ... incense, elevating the Sacrament, reservation of the Blessed Sacrament, mixing water and wine in the chalice, etc.), it was logical that the Anglo-Catholics would follow the Sacred Congregation of Rites' decrees.   That was more-or-less the norm until the RCs revised the Holy Week rites in 1956. The Anglican Missal is not an official book of the Episcopal church ... it was printed privately, and funded by private donations. The Episcopal church tolerated its use (some dioceses more than others). With the revision of the Holy Week rites, Anglo-Catholics were faced with two problems: one, whether or not to adopt rites that for them (as well as the RCs) were a radical departure from previous practice, and two, what to do about the Altar Missal, since there wasn't general agreement as to whether or not it should be revised (or funds to do it).   The English Church Union put out a separate Holy Week Altar Missal and peoples' books ... most Anglo-Catholics in this country adopted that, though some still clung to the old rite. When I came to St. Matthew's, Father Scarlett was totally unaware of the 1956 revisions, even though the American Church Union had held a conference way back in the late '50s and voted to adopt them. So last year was the first year that St. Matthew's had the 1956 rites.   Most Anglo-Catholic churches conform the Prayer Book to the Missal ... Father Scarlett conforms the Missal to the Prayer Book ... the wiser course, in my opinion ... I see no point in using Roman communion devotions (for instance) only during Holy Week if there are Prayer Book forms that we use the rest of the year. So this year we set about completing the replacement of the Roman prayers with the Prayer Book prayers. Good Friday in particular felt a lot more Anglican, and the people seemed to be happier with the more familiar Prayer Book forms of things.   There's a whole different mindset in the high Anglican church ... two generations ago, they had to FIGHT the bishops for the privilege of celebrating Solemn High Mass, reserving the Sacrament, etc. So there's a real love of the liturgy that I found mostly missing in the RC church. I remember in the old days my RC clergy HATED it when they had to celebrate a stipendary Solemn High Mass .... on the other hand, Anglo-Catholic clergy will move heaven and earth to assemble everything that's necessary to put on a real Solemn High Mass with all the trimmings, and when they do, the people flock to it.   No, I don't get a vacation after Easter ... the Archbishop is coming to ordain two sub-deacons to the diaconate on the Ember Wednesday in the Octave of Pentecost, and preside over the Diocesan Synod, and since St. Matthew's is the pro-cathedral, we'll have the ordinations and the Synod opening and closing Masses. I've never DONE an Anglican Catholic ordination ... I suspect they follow the Prayer Book, but add a lot of the peripheral stuff from the old Roman Ordinal. So that means a lot of music has to be written, booklets for the congregation have to be printed, etc. etc. etc.   I'm looking forward to it ... our sub-deacon is one of my favorite people ... the other one is from St. Mary Magdalene in Orange. I'm in something of a quandary about that ... St. Mary Mag's choir can't sing (or so I'm told ... I've never heard them), but I don't want any hurt feelings, so I'll probably send over the music and invite them ... hopefully they'll decide it's too hard for them (grin). If not, well, my choir is strong enough they can absorb a few clinkers ... I think St. Mary Mag only has 5-7 singers, and I doubt if many will come, since they're all elderly. I'll have to talk to their organist after Easter.   Well, it's all downhill from here ... Good Friday is the hardest music of the week for us.   Cheers,   Bud   CHERCAPA@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Bud, Happy Easter. You, no doubt, will need a short vacation after this > Easter Week. After reading your posting, I was thinking that you are gettign > more Roman as I knew the Roman Catholic Church to be than it is now. If you > get a chance, there is an article on the Oxford \Conference on the net > regarding the fact that Roman Catholics are being denied their Liturgical > tradition in the church since Vatican II. Wondered what your thoughts on it > were. Peace, Paul > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: MacFarlane's "Christ Our Passover" From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:09:50 EST   In a message dated 4/2/99 7:43:49 PM Central Standard Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << Next week is fine ... I just want to get it on the schedule for Eastertide. Thanks again! Will return soonest. Bud >>   Bud,   Private me your address and I'll get it out to you by the end of next week.   A Blessed Easter to All.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Friday From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:55:27 EST   Dear Bud, the url for the article on the Oxford Declaration is www.cin.org/oxfdecl.html. By the way, I was wondering if there was any resolution of the so called lack of Apostolic Succession argument I have heard by the Roman Catholics as regards Anglican Orders. I assume that the Anglican Orders (Ordination?) are not considered valid. If the Orders of the Old Catholic Church are considered valid, then why not the Anglican Orders. I know that the first Polish National Bishop, Hodur was consecrated a Bishop by the Archbishop of the Old Catholic Church and their Orders are considered valid by the Roman Church, so it doesn't make much sense. Happy Easter. Peace, Paul  
(back) Subject: Ralph Kinder - In Springtime From: Aida van de Brake <Celeste@cable.A2000.nl> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 00:41:10 +0200   Hi Everyone,   Is there anyone out there who could help me find this piece:   >> Ralph Kinder - In Springtime <<   .... and any other piece by this early 1900s Philadelphian organist/ composer.   In Springtime is a lovely light footed piece I got to know through a recording of Dr. Frank Asper playing the Mormon Tabernacle Organ.   Some time ago I asked for this LP on these lists and it consequently was presented to me in almost perfect shape by Mr. Dutch Organ himself. Thanks again Rick.   Now I would like to play the piece myself.   I know the piece was played at least once by Mr. Justin Hartz on the Curtis Organ, Houston Hall, Univ.of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia on Sept. 4th 1997. I think Mr. Hartz gave me his address when we met in 1996 at the Philadelphia OHS Convention, but I must have lost it...   Can anyone help me out? I would be very grateful indeed.   Thank you in advance,   Cheers,   Aida van de Brake, Zaandam, Holland.  
(back) Subject: langlais CD From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:03:32 -0600   Does anyone have vol. 3 of the complete organ works of Langlais pub. by the Musical heritage Society that they are willing to sell. It is no longer available. Please let me know your price. (e mail me direct please at highnote@mhtc.net)   Thanks Robert Eversman Mineral Point  
(back) Subject: Just a Reminder From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:33:16 -0600   Daylight Savings Time starts tonight so remember to set your clocks ahead so you don't miss your services in the morning.   Have a Happy Easter   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Just a Reminder From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:55:26 -0600   my computer does that for me automatically......LOL   jon b   David Scribner wrote:   > Daylight Savings Time starts tonight so remember to set your clocks ahead > so you don't miss your services in the morning. > > Have a Happy Easter > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:19:42 -0500 (EST)   Prelude: Widor> Toccata (Symph # 5) Postlude: JS Bach> In dir ist Freude Hymns: Christ the Lord is Risen Today (Easter Hymn); Christ is Risen (Spanish Carol- I think); He Lives. Choral Introit: Tschesnokoff> Salvation Is Created (whole thing) -- we did first part on Lent I and Palm Sunday. Anthems: G Young> Let Heavenly Music Fill this Place; G Martin> When I Survey the Wondrous Cross. Prayer Response: K Kaiser> O How He Loves You and Me.   May you all experience a Joyous Resurrection Sunday!   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ USA    
(back) Subject: Fw: Just a Reminder From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:10:00 -0500   Ahhhh... But WE don't change time here in central Indiana. GlucklichOster !!!   Rick Cuckoo clocks make great wedding gifts   -----Original Message----- From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, April 03, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: Just a Reminder     >Daylight Savings Time starts tonight so remember to set your clocks ahead >so you don't miss your services in the morning. > >Have a Happy Easter > >David > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >