PipeChat Digest #783 - Monday, April 5, 1999
 
Re: Easter at St. Matthew's
  by "Roger Brown" <robrown@melbpc.org.au>
Easter
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
More on Easter at St. Matthew's
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Just a Reminder
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Toccata Talk (say it 5 times fast!)
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Toccata Talk (say it 5 times fast!)
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Widor on Easter
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Easter at St. Matthew's
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
Re: <no subject>
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Easter at St. Matthew's From: robrown@melbpc.org.au (Roger Brown) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 02:18:09 GMT   On Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:24:57 -0700, Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> wrote:   > wish I could say that I celebrated the Resurrection with joy, but I >didn't.   I think that many of us will empathise with you on this one. Lots of us have experienced this type of incident - not necessarily the tantrum and threatened walkout but certainly the experience of having choir warmups go badly thereby destroying calm atmosphere which should permeate the moments immediately preceding a Church service. =20 =20 And it is not all that surprising that this sort of should happen when one thinks about it. Choir members arrive fairly much in a hurry. They often want to slap on robes quickly and get on with things. Maybe they are feeling a little tense or distracted. So it's not all that uncommon that they lose concentration and make downright silly mistakes during warmups. We've probably all done that as singers - I know I have. =20 =20 But of course this sort of thing is extremely disturbing to the Choir director. =20 =20 Naturally we all try to schedule practices to avoid having to do too much serious work at the last minute. I certainly always try and make sure the real hard work is done at least a couple of weeks before the real thing. With proper scheduling, warmups can simply be just that.=20 =20 But of course that's in an ideal world and over a period like Holy Week, this sort of ideal just doesn't happen. We lose regular practice time to a need to sing extra services. Often the pressure of preparing music for several week day services as well as special music at other times means that it is absolutely unavoidable to exert pressure during choir warmups. And this of course is where the potential for the sort of incident you have experienced builds up. =20 =20 I always feel it is important to be as calm and professional as possible but when all is done and said one needs to get the job an acceptable fashion. And your choir members will realise this. =20 I've always found that if cross words are spoken or if people start feeling hurt or frustrated, the best thing is to acknowledge that hurt, tender what ever apologies seem to the required to smooth over the position (and I never worry too much about whether it really was my fault or not) and get on with life. =20 =20 I've generally found that while things can be said the heat of the moment, people will respect you have a job to do and that you care about standards. If that is explained and acknowledged people will continue to be supportive. =20 =20 And I am sure if you approach it in that light and provide your singers an opportunity to respond to your gesture, you will be easily able restore the spirit of prayerful co-operation which you obviously had previously. And I would certainly add that the worst thing you could do would be to never refer to the incident again, thereby allowing any hurt or ill feeling to become magnified over time. =20 =20 It's a pity if this has somewhat spoiled your Easter devotion. But if what happened can be acknowledged and dealt with, you will all grow as a group of Christians and musicians. I certainly hope that's how works your case. =20 =20 But the assured, you are not alone in experiencing this type of thing   =20 Regards, =20 =20   Roger =20 =20   Roger Brown robrown@melbpc.org.au http://members.tripod.com/~RogerBrown  
(back) Subject: Easter From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:45:53 -0500   Hi List... Good to hear everyone had a successful service(s) barring any clinkers and/or glitches that happened along the way. I'm sure God is well pleased with you all. Love one another.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net Cuckoo clocks make great wedding gifts      
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:49:03 EDT   In a message dated 4/4/99 7:04:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RSiegel920@aol.com writes:   << << Dare I ask how many people played the Widor Toccata this morning? A better question would be who DIDN'T play it, and what did you use in its place? >> >>     It was a close runner-up, but I opted to play "Jesus Christ Is Risen Today" Joyce Jones...with liturgical dancers who danced with lots of beautiful fabric. (I also choreographed the dance.). Lynda Alexander No. CA  
(back) Subject: More on Easter at St. Matthew's From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 20:05:29 -0700   Thanks to all for their encouraging words, but it still hurts.   We DIDN'T have to sandwich the Holy Week music into our regular rehearsals ... we began additional rehearsals in FEBRUARY. We would have begun in January, as we did last year, but I was in the hospital.   Most of the music was the same as last year, and the pieces that weren't were set to fauxbourdons and Gregorian tones that we use all the time. The big polyphonic pieces (The Vittoria Reproaches, the Palestrina Crux fidelis) were already in the repertoire before I came to St. Matthew's, and most of the choir personnel hasn't changed in years.   I very carefully paced the rehearsals so that by the time we got to Holy Week, all we SHOULD have had to do was a run-through of each service and mark the page numbers of the chant books into the service bulletin so that the choir could follow the liturgies. I made bound chant books with all the music for each service for each member of the choir. So we hade MORE than adequate rehearsal time, and the choir wasn't scrambling for chants in half-a-dozen books because everything was laid out in order (something I have done in every church I've served).   So ... what went wrong? I don't know. Off the top of my head, I'd say the bass was (1) angry at being corrected and (2) jealous that he hadn't been given a big solo on Palm Sunday or Easter. If that is the case, my response is that the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Our Lord SHOULD be more important than individuals' egos. I gave the few incidental solos there were to the voices called for: mezzo-soprano and contralto. And of course the soprano had "The Holy City" on Palm Sunday, but that wouldn't have worked very well with a bass.   In any case, it created chaos in the choir. I don't intend to let the matter drop. I am inclined to make a general announcement that if there are those who feel they can't in good conscience accept my direction as choirmaster, then perhaps they should consider another area of ministry in the church. It will be a VERY long time before I trust this individual again (if ever), and/or schedule anything that depends on his participation.   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Just a Reminder From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:48:07 -0400 (EDT)   >Daylight Savings Time starts tonight so > remember to set your clocks ahead so you > don't miss your services in the morning. Oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!         >heheheh just kidding! I'm a real coward and reset my clocks on Friday night. It only gets tricky when I have a day like last Saturday with rehearsals, a wedding, etc! Otherwise, it is much easier to get a one day jump on it.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:14:45 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Desert Bob, "O How He Loves You and Me" was composed by Kurt Kaiser many years ago. I understand that there are other Kaiser musicians out there doing a host of things. This is a simple tune and a simple text with a very profound message. We used it as our response throughout Lent. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify. Neil Brown, Barnegat NJ USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:26:00 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Mr. Horton, There is a very simple method to my madness for having done Widor as a prelude: I had a most captive audience! Actually, I played it for the Lord, but I kind of forced the congreg. to eavesdrop. Most of my people are not classically oriented, but they love to hear me play Widor. What I think it did today, is get the service going in an upbeat way. And, the Bach piece worked quite nicely as a postlude: It's light, pretty, and at the end of a strenuous service (3 of them mind you), it didn't take much effort to play well. Last year I played Widor as postlude and most people were home eating Easter dinner before I got to the final chords. I tried it, it worked today. Next year, who knows. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Music at First UMC, Toms River, NJ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:35:47 -0400 (EDT)     >Dare I ask how many people played the Widor > Toccata this morning? A better question > would be who DIDN'T play it, and what did > you use in its place? The Widor Toccata is my Christmas traditional sender-outer. Maybe one of these years I'll play it for a prelude. hehehehe... all the once a year crowd would probably stand up and leave thinking it was over already. Reminds me of a priest who wanted to use poinsettias for Easter (instead of lilies) -- he wanted to make the C&E folks think they "missed a Sunday" nyuk nyuk! I really enjoy improvising on the really big days. Today was "Resurrection Alleluias" and was quite fun, especially since the preacher used an "electric chick" (robo-chick) in his children's sermon, so I tossed in a few "peeps" here an there as retrospective, caught by a couple of astute listeners. The rewards of improvisation! ;<)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)    
(back) Subject: Re: Toccata Talk (say it 5 times fast!) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:13:36 -0400 (EDT)   I, too,=A0=A0enjoy the dubious Dubois Toccata . What a hoot to have it further excitified with brass! I hope you'll pass these gems along to OHS hehehe! >Malcolm Wechsler, recovering in CT recovering?? pallets or health? In any case, rest and lots of liquid are the order of the day!   cheeries & o's!   bruce 'n dawgs   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)    
(back) Subject: Re: Toccata Talk (say it 5 times fast!) From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:18:47 EDT   Personally, I rather tired of the Widor years ago, and prefer the Final from the Vierne 1st. as an "Easter/Christmas all purpose festival voluntary".   Kurt  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor on Easter From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:37:03 -0400 (EDT)   Amen, Bill.    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter at St. Matthew's From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 04:31:26 EDT     On Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:24:57 -0700 Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> writes: >I wish I could say that I celebrated the Resurrection with joy, but I >didn't. >   **snip**   >Whatever was going on, it certainly robbed me of any joy or >satisfaction >I might have taken from all the months of hard work. > >Bud > I've had a lovely Passover (so far!) but I'm sorry your holiday was spoiled. Maybe in a few days, you need to get the choir together and ask them what's happening. Who knows - maybe it was just stress.   Relax, put your feet up, and have another glass of wine.   Shalom, Preston Wilson p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: <no subject> From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:33:09 -0400 (EDT)   Jason, As far as I know, all RC clergy and religious do not marry and take vows of celibacy. The church has relaxed only in that when an Anglican/Episcopalian cleric makes the change to the RC church that they may remain married, but if divorced or widowed, cannot remarry. There are probably more rules about divorce. However, a married priest cannot be the spiritual head of a parish (rector/pastor) but may be an assistant, although they may do all the things a priest can do (liturgically, pastorally). If a person is divorced or widowed they may take the required vows and become a priest/religous, although there may be something that needs to be done about the marriage, such as an anulment, but I'm not up on this. There is a Vatican/RC Church website which may be helpful if you want to learn more. Please feel free to let me know if I can be of help.   bruce   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)