PipeChat Digest #789 - Saturday, April 10, 1999
 
Re: Easter preludes and postludes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
book sale revised and updated
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Easter preludes and postludes
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Easter preludes and postludes
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: book sale revised and updated
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Christ lag in Todesbanden
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Help: info about Rodgers organ needed -
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
RE: Help: info about Rodgers organ needed -
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ on CD!
  by "Joe Vitacco" <jvitacco@interactive.net>
Steve's tv organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Russian Bass Technique
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Easter preludes and postludes
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: My pipe organ to be on TV!
  by <ranford@sprynet.com>
Richard Purvis Toccata
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Richard Purvis Toccata
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Richard Purvis Toccata
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: Easter preludes and postludes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Easter preludes and postludes
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Richard Purvis Toccata
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Richard Purvis Toccata
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Richard Purvis Toccata
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes and postludes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:22:16 -0500   The Christ Lag in Todesbanden is one of my favorites, too - break a leg!   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: book sale revised and updated From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:32:56 -0500     Dear friends, I am attaching a REVISED AND UPDATED list of books about organs and organ building (with a couple of exceptions) which I am clearing out of my library. I am letting these go at a lower price than what you would find in any catologue. All books are in near mint condition. Some are out of print. The list is in alph. order by author. The first line is the title, 2nd=author, 3rd indicates S for soft cover, H for hard, 4th Y=with dust jacket N=without and the 5th line is just a number which is the selling price. This figure includes shipping and handling 4th class book rate anywhere in the USA unless you request and pay for an upgrade. Please e mail me DIRECTLY at highnote@mhtc.net for questions and/or to purchase.   Thanks,   Robert Eversman Mineral Point WISC       Organs of Our Time (Volume 1 & 2) Homer D. Blanchard S N 40   Encyclopedia of Automatic Musical Instruments Q David Bowers H N 75   That Ingenious Business(Pennsylv.German Org.Builders) Raymond J. Brunner H Y 35   Pipe Organs of Tasmania Brian A. Clark S N 10   The Brittish Organ Cecil Clutton H Y 70   From Music Boxes to Street Organs R DeWaard H Y 13   Music Study in Germany Amy Fay H N 20   A German Organ Builder on the Texas Frontier: * Gerald David Frank H Y 16   Father Smith Andrew Freeman H M 30   Henry Smart;Neglected Nineteenth Century Organ Master David Hill S N 10   Gazetteer of Tasmanian Pipe Organs John Maidment S N 7   Gazetteer of South Australian Pipe Organs Bruce Naylor S N 7   The Organ in New England Barbara Owen H N 65   The Tracker Revival in America Uwe Pape H Y 70   A Short Account of Organs Built in England Sir John Sutton S N 15   The Hook Opus List, 1829-1916 in Facsimile William T. Van Pelt H N 37   Visitato Organorum (Vol 1 & 2) Feestbundel Voor H N 90   The English Chamber Organ Michael Wilson H N 30     Also: I have volumes 1 and 2 of a 3 vol set pub. by Alfred of the complete Haydn Piano Sonatas. Vol 3 is still in print. These sell new for 18.95/volume. The first two volumes I am selling are in near mint condition and I will let go as a set for $20 and I will also pick of the 4th class postage anywhere in the USA as part of the deal.    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes and postludes From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:10:05 -0400 (EDT)     >...on Easter I always use the Christ lag in > Todesbanden from the Orgelbuchlein for the > postlude. >I'm playing this (Low) Sunday and will try to > dust off Christ lag and get it up to speed. For the life of me I can't figure out what the attraction of Christ lag in Todesbanden is for Easter. Beautiful as it is, it is a durge. I have never, ever, heard it played in such a way that it was exciting, except once when a friend got plastered and did double inegal with trems and glizzandi! I can think of fewer ways to make Low Sunday lower! However, I really love playing this piece and it is quite wonderful music in itself, but for Easter???   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes and postludes From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:29:52 EDT   In a message dated 99-04-09 10:12:08 EDT, you write:   << However, I really love playing this piece and it is quite wonderful music in itself, but for Easter??? >> Maybe it's a residual thing from having grown up among Lutherans in the midwest a long time ago! Flash and show were just not our thing -- nor were they possible on a little 2m Hinners whose only reed stop was a rather shy 8' Oboe. DK  
(back) Subject: Re: book sale revised and updated From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:38:21 EDT   Hello Robert---- I am interested in the following books: Tracker Revival in America----- The organ in New England ----- That Ingenious Business-----   Let me know,,,   Best Regards,   --Roc GRSCoLVR@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Christ lag in Todesbanden From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:34:35 -0700   You have to read the text of the CHORALE ... it IS an Easter hymn! Which is a good reason for playing the Orgelbuechlein from an edition that has ALL the verses of the chorale, or keeping the 351 handy. I usually DON'T list the title as "Christ Lay In Bonds of Death", however, since the hymn isn't familiar to Anglicans. I take the title from one of the other stanzas.   An interesting historical note: Guilmant used to begin this chorale-prelude slowly and softly on the fonds d' orgue, and increase the tempo and add the anches of the Recit, Positif, G.O. and pedal successively at the beginning of each new line of the chorale. It's said that it was very effective, if totally out of character. It should be played on the coupled plenum with the Posaune in the pedal from start to finish, at a good solid allegro.   Bud   bruce cornely wrote:   > >...on Easter I always use the Christ lag in > > Todesbanden from the Orgelbuchlein for the > > postlude. > >I'm playing this (Low) Sunday and will try to > > dust off Christ lag and get it up to speed. > For the life of me I can't figure out what the attraction of Christ lag > in Todesbanden is for Easter. Beautiful as it is, it is a durge. I > have never, ever, heard it played in such a way that it was exciting, > except once when a friend got plastered and did double inegal with trems > and glizzandi! I can think of fewer ways to make Low Sunday lower! > However, I really love playing this piece and it is quite wonderful > music in itself, but for Easter??? > > bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net > > J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation > for OHS Montreal) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:14:51 EDT   Bruce:   My answer is very similar to Bud's. (Well, no surprise, perhaps; but you should hear us tangle off list!)   It's a matter of association of the text with the melody. A properly brang-up Minnesota boy has sang that chorale in church all his life, and at least the choruses of the cantata a fair number of times in high-school choir, so the music (no matter how disguised in a chorale prelude) just says "Easter" to him.   If it WEREN'T for that associational thing, I'd tend to agree with you.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Help: info about Rodgers organ needed - From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 17:16:59 -0400       I am looking for opinions and help about a Rodgers model 34 a organ - It is a Classical style organ. I have been planning of getting a Conn 651 - 652 and adding midi to it, and then ran into this Rodgers (it has an impressive stop list and 5 sets of generators) The other thing is the capture system with 17 Buttons. (Klan) I believe. I love theatre organ an think this might be a real good alternative to the Conn or Rogers trio.   My questions are as follows.   1 Are the voices easy to alter towards or into theatre voicing. 2. Is this a unit that is worth adding midi to. 3. Of those of you who have heard this or very similar models, what is your opinion of the tone. 4. Am I totally nuts of even thinking of this particular organ for this project - I do not care about the straight stop rail etc but would certainly like to get it to sound theatrical. 5. What's is a fair price for a good working unit of this type, It comes with 5 Rogers tone cabinets. 6. Don't laugh which manuals are which , Great, Swell and Choir.   Thanks in advance any and all opinions welcome   Jerry Riddle    
(back) Subject: RE: Help: info about Rodgers organ needed - From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:43:48 -0700   > I am looking for opinions and help about a Rodgers model 34 a > organ -   This is a three man organ with FOUR ranks of generators, not five.     > My questions are as follows. > > 1 Are the voices easy to alter towards or into theatre voicing.   Voicing on a rodgers of that vintage is usually limited (at our level) to setting respective volumes. There are voicing formants, but every time one is mentioned in the manual, it says they should not be adjusted by anyone other than factory personnel. Perhaps there's some experienced techs who can do it, but I've owned a 321 and now a 33e, and I wouldn't touch them.   Trems can be adjusted easily.   > 2. Is this a unit that is worth adding midi to. Any good console probably is.   > 3. Of those of you who have heard this or very similar models, what is > your opinion of the tone. I would guess it's close to the 33E -- sounds nice, but could stand better speakers and reverb.   > 4. Am I totally nuts of even thinking of this particular > organ for this > project - I do not care about the straight stop rail etc but would > certainly like to get it to sound theatrical.   Not completely nuts. A lot of the voicing is hardware, so I'm not sure you'll ever get it to sound like a theatre organ.   > 5. What's is a fair price for a good working unit of this type, It > comes with 5 Rogers tone cabinets.   I paid 3000 for a 33E with three cabinets, and it was a good price. Daffer advertised at 33E with 4 cabs for 3500. You can check at http://www.theatreorgans.com, they have classified ads that will give you a fairly good idea.     > 6. Don't laugh which manuals are which , Great, Swell and Choir.   Swell == top Great == middle Choir == bottom   > Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ on CD! From: jvitacco@interactive.net (Joe Vitacco) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:53:53 -0400   <<www.greatorgancds.com>> now has in stock the new CD of this huge pipe organ.   I have greatly enjoyed listening to my copy. This is a must have for every organ lover.   It has demonstration of the 100-inch wind Tuba Imperial and Grand Ophicleide as well as the 64 - foot DIAPHONE   Recordings of the Wanamaker organ are also in stock along with JAV's Modern Day "King of Instruments Series" picking up where Aeolian-Skinner left off.     Joe Vitacco <www.greatorgancds.com>      
(back) Subject: Steve's tv organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:50:14 -0500   Steve... Congrats on getting TV exposure on your...um...organ. Don't ya just hate when you have to clean up a mess-- especially when you know where everything is at? Too bad that won't be shown on PBS here in Indy +ACEAIQAh-   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net Cuckoo clocks make great wedding gifts      
(back) Subject: Russian Bass Technique From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:04:32 -0500   I know this is not on topic, but does anyone here know a Russian bass vocal technique used to achieve the lowest singable octave of the bass range. I think it starts with a "C".       Thanks Robert Eversman Mineral Point Wi    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes and postludes From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:16:12 -0000   <<<For the life of me I can't figure out what the attraction of Christ lag in Todesbanden is for Easter. Beautiful as it is, it is a durge. I have never, ever, heard it played in such a way that it was exciting, except once when a friend got plastered and did double inegal with trems and glizzandi! I can think of fewer ways to make Low Sunday lower! However, I really love playing this piece and it is quite wonderful music in itself, but for Easter???   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net >>>   Think of this as a majestic and not slow piece. The text says he rose and ends with alleluias. Throw on the mixtures, a light 16 on the manual, 32 on pedal, at second half throw on a Trumpet (German, if you got it). It is glorious. I usually use it as a postlude for a funeral emphasising the glory of the Resurrection.   JOHN            
(back) Subject: Re: My pipe organ to be on TV! From: ranford@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:28:36 -0500   Craig, I hope you'll give us a headsup as to the expected week of broadcast...for those with TV dishes, here is a quote from the Texas Country Reporter web site: The show is aired in 19 different television markets in Texas and can be picked up all over the nation with a Big (C-Band) dish. Galaxy 3R-Transponder 13/8:00 - 8:30 AM CST, Sundays. Randy Ford North of Dallas  
(back) Subject: Richard Purvis Toccata From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:50:44 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Friends, Today on our classical station, they played a recording of Richard Purvis playing the organ at Grace Cathedral (San Fran). He was playing his own "Toccata something" triumphant, militaire, I don't remember. It was in the key of D, at least on the recording. I have seen his name here once or twice, so I thought I'd ask: Is that piece in print? And, is it available? I would like to tackle it. Thanks a lot. Maybe for next Easter, huh? :)    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Purvis Toccata From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:38:38 -0700   At 10:50 PM 4/9/1999 -0400, N Brown wrote: >Dear Friends, > Today on our classical station, they played a recording of Richard >Purvis playing the organ >at Grace Cathedral (San Fran). He was playing his own "Toccata >something" triumphant, militaire, I don't remember.<snip>   "Toccata Festiva", based on the hymn tune "In Babilone", from the 7 Chorale Preludes on Tunes Found in American Hymnals, 1944, available from Carl Fischer. No doubt about it! It's a good, typically idiomatic-sounding sub for the high-mileage Widor from the 5th.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Purvis Toccata From: Ben Baldus <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:25:11 -0400   Dear Pipe Chatters:   The late Richard Purvis wrote a splendid toccata which concludes his Partita on "Christ ist Erstanden." This work, unfortunately, now out-of-print, is dedicated to the late E. Power Biggs.   There is an LP recording on the old Westminster label, WST-171255, (also out-of-print) by Frederick Swann at the Riverside Church, NYC. The entire Purvis piece is worth one's time and effort to learn and perform.   All the best,   Ben Baldus   ************************************************************************   N Brown wrote: Dear Friends, Today on our classical station, they played a recording of Richard Purvis playing the organ at Grace Cathedral (San Fran). He was playing his own "Toccata something" triumphant, militaire, I don't remember. It was in the key of D, at least on the recording.   I have seen his name here once or twice, so I thought I'd ask: Is that piece in print? And, is it available? I would like to tackle it. Thanks a lot. Maybe for next Easter, huh? :) > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes and postludes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:42:40 -0500   Bruce, have you ever thought of reading the words?   Glenda      
(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes and postludes From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:55:29 -0400 (EDT)       >Flash and show were just not our thing -- nor > were they possible on a little 2m Hinners > whose only reed stop was a rather shy 8' > Oboe. Flash and show are not really necessary, but a 2m Hinners with a shy Oboe can be a heckuva lot cheerier than Christ lag in Todesbanden! '<)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)    
(back) Subject: Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:17:37 -0400 (EDT)   Bud, When you are playing Christ lag... the congregation is LISTENING to the music. It had just appeared in most hymnals and is not generally sung. Even if it is, the choral is just a dirgy as the chorale prelude. You can give the title as "camp town races" and the music is going to remain the same. I've read the text. It is a glorious text. The music is DULL DULL DULL no matter how you play it ! Sorry!   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   J'embrasse mon chien sur la bouche! --from a sweatshirt (in preparation for OHS Montreal)    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Purvis Toccata From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:15:58 -0700       > Today on our classical station, they played a recording of Richard >Purvis playing the organ >at Grace Cathedral (San Fran). He was playing his own "Toccata >something"   Toccata Festiva (hymn tune "In Babilone") ... it's in his 7 Chorale Preludes, published by Carl Fischer ... as far as I know, it is still in print ... good that you start working on it now, it's tricky in some places, not as easy as it sounds.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Purvis Toccata From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:23:54 -0400 (EDT)   Thank You, every1. I got info I needed. Mr. Purvis is an active participant in this list, no? --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Purvis Toccata From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:25:54 -0700     >Thank You, every1. I got info I needed. Mr. Purvis is an active >participant in this list, no? >--Neil > No, Mr. Purvis passed away, one or two years ago I think it was.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:33:13 -0700     >When you are playing Christ lag... the congregation is LISTENING to the >music. It had just appeared in most hymnals and is not generally sung. >Even if it is, the choral is just a dirgy as the chorale prelude. You >can give the title as "camp town races" and the music is going to remain >the same. I've read the text. It is a glorious text. The music is >DULL DULL DULL no matter how you play it ! Sorry! > > I play this piece with 8'-4' flutes coupled and at a not too fast tempo ... it has more beauty to me that way than by playing it with a lot of stops.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Christ lag in Todesbanden From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:00:55 EDT   In a message dated 4/9/99 11:37:45 PM Central Daylight Time, jason@johannus-norcal.com writes:   << I play this piece with 8'-4' flutes coupled and at a not too fast tempo ... it has more beauty to me that way than by playing it with a lot of stops. >>   What??? No reeds??? HMMMM....   John