PipeChat Digest #809 - Saturday, April 24, 1999
 
Re: looking for..............
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: Public Domain
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: copyrights.
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
copying music-
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Plane Sawn Caps & Dry Lumber
  by "Robert Carver" <RCARVER@SkyBest.Com>
The Postlude
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
New email address
  by "Daniel W Hopkins" <danielwh@auracom.com>
New email address
  by "Daniel W Hopkins" <danielwh@auracom.com>
searching for a title
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: searching for a title
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: favorite organ pieces
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: copying music-
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: favorite organ pieces
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Percentage of Trackers in the U.S.
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
RE: favorite organ pieces
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Score Software
  by "Aida van de Brake" <Celeste@cable.A2000.nl>
Re: favorite organ pieces
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
RE: favorite organ pieces
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Perpetuim Motium
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
VIRUS: happy99.exe
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: Relays & switches, reeds
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: Bach Sinfonia
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: copying music-
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
RE: favorite organ pieces
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
organ bloopers
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: looking for.............. From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:12:01 EDT   In a message dated 4/22/99 10:13:29 PM Central Daylight Time, concert_organist@hotmail.com writes:   << P.S. the laws on public domain are: if a period of 25 years have lasped since the last copyright renewal date, or the original date with no renewal, then it is in the public domain. >> I DON'T THINK SO! At least not in the US of A ! Before the 1976 amendment to USC Chapter 17, the period used to be 28 years plus renewal for an additional 28 years. The 1976 Act made it Life of Author +50 years. The adoption of the Berne Convention further changed the act in regards to international copyrights, and most recently, at the request of Mickey, Donald, Goofy, et al, the act was further extended in October of 1998 to Life plus 70 years for works created after 1/1/78. Different rules apply to pseudonynomous and earler works. Suggest you check out the US Copyright web page at http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/sl15.pdf.   REgards R.J.Siegel    
(back) Subject: Re: Public Domain From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:42:51 -0500   The American Guild of Organists has a free brochure with often asked questions about copyright. I believe you can obtain it from their website (I did when ordering a copy of the Chapter Management Handbook).   The site is <http://www.agohq.org>. On the home page there is a click-on for a secure ordering site.   CAVEAT: I do not know if the AGO will send free stuff without your ordering something else, or to non-members (because of postage costs). It probably will, but thought I would throw that out. Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: copyrights. From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:31:23 -0500   Yes, most apropos !   I recently started a new position and took on the thankless challenge of reorganizing the music library. The church over the years spent quote a lot on published music, but when they were short a few copies...well you know the rest of the story. I noticed that as time progressed, less concern was there to have any originals except one! Well, that has changed there and the pile for the garbage service looked more like Mount Anthem ! My pastor was under the impression that copying hymns in bulletins was ok because they were a church.......hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Yes, the law is the law and besides, it's just not right. I think the example I have just given shows how the copy machine has directly affected the industry; not so much in terms of price, but keeping music in print.   This is a great thread, lets keep it positive, I'm not slamming anyone here.   :-----)   robert   ---------- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: copyrights. Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 11:46 PM   Carlo, sir, the law is the law. Mr. Murrow, a most appropos thread. --Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: copying music- From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:46:11 EDT   Why is it that the very social organization that professes to be the keepers of moral standards in our society end up being the worst offenders??? Christian churches are now practicing "situation ethics"??? WOW! ;-) "Do as I say, not as I do", Second Pragmatics, Ch.IV, verse 14. Hehehe!!!   Stan Krider   Rod Murrow recently wrote: <Sadly, many churches and schools are the worst violators of the copyright laws;>      
(back) Subject: Plane Sawn Caps & Dry Lumber From: RCARVER@SkyBest.Com (Robert Carver) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:58:46 -0400 (EDT)   Jon Bertschinger wrote (Re: Wood Pipe Quarter Sawn Quandary):   >Poplar is a stable enuf wood that you can get by with plane sawn lumber......as >long as it is thoroughly dried and aged....flash drying will create problems for >you. Wood needs to be as void free as possible.   Though I have read that drying, "curing," (slow versus. fast) makes substantial difference in the way a wood works, I have not heard (read) that it changes a wood's dynamic response to equilibrium moisture content (EMC), Though it seems logical that case hardened wood (wood dried way too fast), being more "open," might exhibit a substantially altered hysteresis in its response. Can you, or anyone on the list provide references to studies of this issue, especially in cases of "sub clinical" case hardening. Micro-photographs of wood at various stages of casehardening would also be especially interesting to me.   As to the use of plane sawn lumber in pipes, there are three issues that I would like to see addressed. They are the cap, the upper lip, and the glue joint between the back and the block. In this post I would like to state what my thinking is regarding the cap and ask for feedback as to the accuracy of my analysis which follows:   Even in my limited scope of observation it is clear that plane sawn caps are commonly used in organs built during this century. All that I have seen have the longitudinal axis of the wood perpendicular to the long axis of the pipe. In this arrangement, if the cap cups out, i.e. concave relative to the windway, the geometry of the flue will be little affected. I would expect the outter lip to lower slightly and the pressure at the flue to drop a little due to leakage at the sides. If the cap cups in, i.e. convex relative to the windway, the flue would widen and the pipe's speech be compromised.   Now, the premise of what I have learned is that wood continues to respond dynamically to changes in EMC for as long as it exists. When a green piece of plane sawn lumber is dried, say to an EMC of x, it will cup away from the pith. When that piece of lumber is machined into a rectilinear board it should (excluding reaction wood) remain rectilinear so long as EMC does not change. It will, however, cup away from the pith if x decreases (it dries more) and towards the pith if it x increases (it absorbs moisture). It seems to me that, since we want the cap to cup out, if it cups at all, we have two strategies. We can form the cap from a piece of wood at an EMC equivalent to the highest expected sustained humidity of the pipes finished environment and orient the cap pith out or we form the cap from a piece of wood at an EMC equivalent to the lowest expected sustained humidity of the pipes finished environment and orient the cap pith in. What do you pipe builders out there actually do?   What has not been mentioned here is the role of coatings (shellac etc.) applied to the cap. It is not clear to me that coatings can do more than effect the hysteresis of the dynamism, but that might well be enough to prevent problems with the flue. That is, if the initial rate of change can be slowed enough the moisture content of the board might be expected to only "wobble" a little between the extremes of humidity.   In any case that is the state of my amateur thinking regarding plane sawn caps. I would be very grateful for any feedback from those in the know.   Robert Carver      
(back) Subject: The Postlude From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:10:21 -0500   I am trying to gather some history on The Postlude in Christian worship. Can anyone think of some good resources for me? Does anyone out there know anything they might be willing to share? I thought of Groves, but I am not close to a set of these venerable books.   thanks robert  
(back) Subject: New email address From: Daniel W Hopkins <danielwh@auracom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:58:43 -0300   I got a new email address starting immediatly it is danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca    
(back) Subject: New email address From: Daniel W Hopkins <danielwh@auracom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:58:43 -0300   I got a new email address starting immediatly it is danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca      
(back) Subject: searching for a title From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:25:40 PDT   Does anyone know the full German title for Karg-Elert's "Praise The Lord With Drums And Cymbals"? I know it's Op. 101 and was originally written for the harmonium.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: searching for a title From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:34:00 -0700       >Does anyone know the full German title for Karg-Elert's "Praise The Lord >With Drums And Cymbals"? I know it's Op. 101 and was originally written for >the harmonium. > I don't know if this is the full title, but it's what I have:   Lobet Den Herrn Mit Pauken Und Zimbeln Schoen   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: favorite organ pieces From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:52:44 EDT   My favorite organ pieces, which I play far too often :-), are:   Rhosymedre - Ralph Vaughan Williams Tuba Tune - C.S. Lang Tune for a Tuba - Norman Cocker any liturgical improvisations composed by George Oldroyd Toccata in d (Dorian) - J.S. Bach Suite Gothique - Leon Boellman Fanfare - Jacques Lemmens Psalm 19 - Benedetto Marcello Trumpet Tune & Peal - Henry Purcell Praludium, Fuga, und Ciacona in C - Dietrich Buxtehude Adagio in g - Tomaso Albinoni Sheep May Safely Graze - Bach/Biggs Scherzo - Eugene Gigout Marche Heroique - Herbert Brewer   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church (ELCA) Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: copying music- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:00:52 EDT   In a message dated 4/23/99 8:49:09 AM Central Daylight Time, KriderSM@aol.com writes:   << "Do as I say, not as I do" >>   Lovely adage... what's wrong with it? :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: favorite organ pieces From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:46:00 -0700       DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > My favorite organ pieces, which I play far too often :-), are: > > Rhosymedre - Ralph Vaughan Williams   > Tuba Tune - C.S. Lang > Tune for a Tuba - Norman Cocker   Are these still in print? Publisher?   > any liturgical improvisations composed by George Oldroyd   I have Verbum Supernum, Conditor Alme, and I forget the third one. Are there others?   > Toccata in d (Dorian) - J.S. Bach > Suite Gothique - Leon Boellman > Fanfare - Jacques Lemmens > Psalm 19 - Benedetto Marcello > Trumpet Tune & Peal - Henry Purcell > Praludium, Fuga, und Ciacona in C - Dietrich Buxtehude > Adagio in g - Tomaso Albinoni > Sheep May Safely Graze - Bach/Biggs > Scherzo - Eugene Gigout       > Marche Heroique - Herbert Brewer   What'sa this? Is it good Anglican organ fodder?   Cheers,   Bud St.-Matthew's-in-the-Mall   > > > John A. Gambill, Jr. > Organist/Choirmaster > Oak Cliff Lutheran Church (ELCA) > Dallas, Texas > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Percentage of Trackers in the U.S. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT)   "stick-driven"!!!!!!!!! ROFLMFAO   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   No matter how little money and how few possessions you own, having a dog makes you rich. -- Louis Sabin    
(back) Subject: RE: favorite organ pieces From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:55:42 -0700   Well, I've stayed out of this, but I gotta get my list in:   1. Marche Grotesque, Purvis (I think it's a hoot) 2. Le Petite Cloches, Purvis 3. Greensleaves, Purvis (Hmmm . . . there seems to be a pattern here) 4. Tocatta & Fugue in D minor, Bach (Okay, so shoot me -- I like it!) 5. Now Thank We All Our God, Karg-Elert 6. Tocatta from Suite Gothique, Boelmann 7. Grand Piece Symphonique, Franck 8. Tocatta V, Widor 9. Prelude Chaconne and Fugue, Buxtehude 10. Chorale in A Minor, Franck   Dennis Goward  
(back) Subject: Score Software From: Aida van de Brake <Celeste@cable.A2000.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:05:04 +0200   For who wants to know all about score software:   http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/OTHERS.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Links3.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/ANNOUNCE.TXT http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/USERS.HTM     And because the site is not very intuitive, some more pages:   http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/HOME.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/GJC.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/DEUTSCHE.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/BEAM.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/SCORPREV.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/SAMPLES.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/S-LIST.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/RENAME.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/DOWNLOAD.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/ARCHIVE/FACSIM.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/ARCHIVE/FTP.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/ARCHIVE/URL.HTM http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/FACSM/Acadia.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/every.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/relig.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/people.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/music.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/misc.htm http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/landscapes.htm   Cheers,   Aida. http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/Facsim2/holy.htm  
(back) Subject: Re: favorite organ pieces From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:24:52 -0700     > >1. Marche Grotesque, Purvis (I think it's a hoot) > >Dennis Goward > > Hi Dennis,   How is this piece? Being a "hoot" is it suitable church music? If so, do you know if it's still in print?   Jason  
(back) Subject: RE: favorite organ pieces From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:41:00 -0700   > >1. Marche Grotesque, Purvis (I think it's a hoot) > > > >Dennis Goward > > > > > Hi Dennis, > > How is this piece? Being a "hoot" is it suitable church > music? If so, do you > know if it's still in print? > Suitable for church? Hmmm, depends on whether it's your first Sunday there or your last :-) I'd have to say it's more of a concert or recital piece. I haven't played it for a service, but I keep threatening to use it for a wedding recessional.   I believe it may be out of print. How 'bout it, Frantic Organist?   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: Perpetuim Motium From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:48:11 -0400   Mine too. But Moto perpetuo or something like that comes to mind.   Alan   ---------- >From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> >To: "e-mail organ chat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Perpetuim Motium >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:05:01 -0500 >   > My Latin stinks...  
(back) Subject: VIRUS: happy99.exe From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:05:43 -0500   Bitten by a virus!!   I received, and opened, a file attached to an e-mail called "happy99.exe" - and discovered 24 hours later that it is a computer "worm" virus that spreads via e-mail, replicates itself and sends itself to everyone on your e-mail list.   If you got such an attachment from me and haven't opened it, just delete it and you'll be fine...if you opened it, you (and your e-mail list) have been infected. It's just a little picture of exploding fireworks, harmless enough. If you remember opening that picture, you need to take these measures to remove it from your computer (and send similar notice to anyone on your e-mail list).   Don't be surprised if this virus returns a few times, as it bounces from e-list to e-list in rapid succession.   Help can be found by going to www.yahoo.com/ and typing in "happy99virus" ... there are several fixes listed, perhaps the easiest one is the one by Ray Parrish.   Sorry, folks (and thanks Curt...I caught this virus from you...and then sent it back!).   Rod Murrow    
(back) Subject: Re: Relays & switches, reeds From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:41:59 EDT   Do you still have the three Klann gang switches available. Sincerely, Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Sinfonia From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:51:24 EDT   In a message dated 99-04-21 00:43:00 EDT, you write:   << Is there one "standard" organ transcription that is considered to be the best? --Neil >> Most of the 'big-name' concert players use the Dupre' version. for MY money, the BEST one is the one by Robbert Hebble (Ted Alan Worth In Concert, now -unfortunately- out of print). This is the one Virgil used to play ('tho VF used to play it in E major, which is the key that it is in for the partita for unaccompanied violin).   Rick M Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: copying music- From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:05:36 -0400 (EDT)   Stan, I think that was in 2nd Hesitations. :) --Neil    
(back) Subject: RE: favorite organ pieces From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:29:40 -0400 (EDT)   Ok, friends, my turn. I'm glad to know that some of mine are some of yours. Not in preference order. (1) Now Thank We all Our God (KargElert) (2) Fanfare (Lemmens) (3) Toccata #5 (Widor) (4) Deck Thyself O Soul with Gladness (Brahms) (5) Lo How a Rose E'er Blooming (Brahms) (6) In dir ist Freude (Bach) (7) Psalm 19 (Marcello) (8) Toccata for Organ (John Weaver) (9) Finale from Sonata #6 (Mendelssohn) (10) Sinfonia from Cantata 29 (Bach) (11) Lobe den Herrn (J. Walther-I think) (12) Toccata from Suite Gothique (Boellmann) (13) Trumpet Tune in D Major (D. Johnson)   This ought to do it for now. Cheers, --Neil Brown    
(back) Subject: organ bloopers From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:31:27 PDT   and then drew the reeds manually. I can laugh about it now but at the time it was annoying. Anyone else have some stories like that to share?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com