PipeChat Digest #1013 - Tuesday, August 3, 1999
 
Organ Historical Society
  by "Robert W. Mayo" <rmayo@erols.com>
Re: Midi-sequencer idea
  by "Don G Pribble" <donprib@juno.com>
Re: Input Please
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Bach Chorale..............
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Bach Chorale..............
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Death of Dr. Robert J. Hughes
  by "Frank W. Breazeale" <fbreazeale@carol.net>
Re: input please
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Midi-sequencer idea
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Midi-sequencer idea
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
chorale preludes
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
one response????
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Midi-sequencer idea
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Midi-sequencer idea
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: chorale preludes
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
RE: one response????
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
Re: one response????
  by <JDeCaria@aol.com>
Cantata 22, chorale preludes
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Everyone's not bilingual....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Cantata 22, chorale preludes
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Cantata 22, chorale preludes
  by "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net>
Re: Transcribing
  by "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net>
 


(back) Subject: Organ Historical Society From: "Robert W. Mayo" <rmayo@erols.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:26:15 -0400   Scott, the address is: http://www.organsociety.org/   I'm posting this for the entire list, because the OHS has a wonderful on-line catalog of recordings AND sheet music, and it's not just historical (i.e., old stuff).   Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: Midi-sequencer idea From: Don G Pribble <donprib@juno.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:14:37 -0500   I did basically the same thing with Bach's "Praise to the Lord, the Almighty" using my Ensoniq synthesizer. I played the CF using the organ Trumpet and the rest came from the synthesizer. That way I could play it up to tempo and make no mistakes!   Don in Minneapolis ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Input Please From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:22:40 -0400     Antoni Scott wrote...   <<...try this. Keep cutting back on the volume until you hear a complaint that it is too quiet. Then increase the volume week by week. Somewhere between the two volume level complaints should satisfy the majority.>>     I tried this once and no one in the congregation EVER complained that the organ was too quiet. The only comment came from the choir director and a visiting musician who wondered if something was wrong with the organ (or me!)     -George      
(back) Subject: Bach Chorale.............. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:48:56 EDT   Greetings,   I'm looking for organ arrangements of a Bach chorale from Cantata #22. It's called "Mortifie-nous par ta bont=E9". I have the transcription by Maurice Durufl=E9, but I'm looking for other = arrangements. Any suggestions?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Chorale.............. From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:01:24 -0700   >Greetings, > > I'm looking for organ arrangements of a Bach chorale from >Cantata #22. It's called "Mortifie-nous par ta bont=C8". I have the >transcription by Maurice Durufl=C8, but I'm looking for other arrangements. >Any suggestions? > >Carlo > > This probably won't be of much help, but in _ Anthems for Choirs I _, ed. =46rancis Jackson (Oxford University Press) this appears as an anthem with extensive organ accompaniment: "Awake Us, Lord, and Hasten," pp. 33-37.   R. Runyon      
(back) Subject: Death of Dr. Robert J. Hughes From: "Frank W. Breazeale" <fbreazeale@carol.net> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:23:44 -0400   Some members of the list may be interested in the fact that Dr. Robert J. Hughes died July 31, 1999 at the age of83 in Greenville, S. C. According to his obituary he 4000+ pieces listed with ASCAP and composed under three pseudonyms: James Denton, James Moffatt, and John Johnson.      
(back) Subject: Re: input please From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:03:10 EDT   In a message dated 8/1/99 10:32:03 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << John, John, John, your joke was so funny and just what I needed tonight. Thanks. >>   Neil,   I'm glad you remember it... 'cause I don't :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Midi-sequencer idea From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:48:12 EDT   In a message dated 8/1/99 8:47:26 PM Central Daylight Time, rohrschok8@webtv.net writes:   << President Society for the Prevention of Chorale Preludezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>   Bruce,   Pray tell, what is your beef with choral preludes? A stupid mind wants to =   know! :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Midi-sequencer idea From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:32:50 -0400 (EDT)   >Pray tell, what is your beef with choral > preludes? A stupid mind wants to know! :-) I just find them uninteresting in comparison to through-composed literature. Bach's CPs for the most part are the exception. But sit down and play a choral prelude and then noticed when the cantus enters that things "slump." The interest is not maintained. Hymn tunes are made simply to be sung, to carry a text and are therefore "plain" by nature. They are really not meant to be of significant melodic interest. I just would rather learn, play and listen to more intricate music.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   I love a dog. =A0 He does nothing for political reasons. =A0 -- Will Rogers    
(back) Subject: chorale preludes From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:39:31 -0400 (EDT)   Bruce, tis a rarity when I find I must disagree with your esteemed positions, but this is one. Good hymntunes are ripe for musical exploration and when done properly, chorale preludes can engage the mind of the listener, as well as the ear. Just my 2 pence worth. --Neil    
(back) Subject: one response???? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:49:25 EDT   Greetings,   I can't believe that I only received one response = concerning an organ chorale from Cantata #22. Either I asked a question that no one knows anything about, or my e-mails are getting lost in cyber-space. = Should I keep the questions/requests simple?   Carlo   p.s. thanks for the response Randolph.......I'll look into it.     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Midi-sequencer idea From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:49:34 EDT   In a message dated 8/2/99 10:34:42 PM Central Daylight Time, rohrschok8@webtv.net writes:   << I just would rather learn, play and listen to more intricate music. >>   Kewl, it's a free country :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Midi-sequencer idea From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:50:33 EDT   P.S. The tape of "Brother of Sleep" has been sent.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:52:18 EDT   In a message dated 8/2/99 10:41:16 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Good hymntunes are ripe for musical exploration and when done properly, chorale preludes can engage the mind of the listener, as well as the ear. >>   Neil,   I couldn't say it any better!   Great minds think alike ;-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:02:13 -0400 (EDT)   John, John, John, thank u for your gracious response. I'm not sure my mind would qualify as great, unless you're referring to the expanse of empty space in it. --Neil    
(back) Subject: RE: one response???? From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:08:52 -0700   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Carlo Pietroniro > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:49 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: one response???? > > > Greetings, > > I can't believe that I only received one response > concerning > an organ chorale from Cantata #22. Either I asked a question that no one > knows anything about, or my e-mails are getting lost in > cyber-space. Should > I keep the questions/requests simple? > > Carlo >     Carlo,   Forgive us . . . we are not the caliber of concert organist that you are. = I guess for our pitiful sake, you will have to keep it very simple -- maybe just single syable words, short sentences, and most of all, be sure to = talk down to us. Most of us though, do have a much higher respect for each = other and better manners that we don't publically insult as many people as possible just for kicks.   Signed,   A simple parish organist     To the rest of the list:   Sorry, folks, I couldn't resist taking a poke at the pinata. I'll behave now. For a while, at least.     Dennis Goward   >    
(back) Subject: Re: one response???? From: JDeCaria@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:28:27 EDT   Well done Dennis. It's about time someone poked a hole in that blowhard = and let the hot air out!!   Joseph    
(back) Subject: Cantata 22, chorale preludes From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:52:35 -0700   When I've wanted something like the movement from Cantata 22, I simply sat down and wrote it out myself, if for no other reason than that I know my limitations ... I can't move my legs too fast, and I can't get up to the very top of the pedal clavier anymore. Thank goodness for pedal to manual couplers!   There's something to be said for copying out Bach's music ... after all, HE copied out all SORTS of things, both worthy and unworthy, whilst he was forming his craft. Once, when the parts didn't arrive for the motet Jesu, Priceless Treasure, the director of the Bachfest and I sat for ten hours straight and copied the parts from the score ... not very difficult, since they only double, but he and I both certainly knew the vocal lines far better when we finished, and how to transfer vocal phrasing to string bowing and vice versa ... after all, Bach was a violinist as well as an organist, and much can be learned about phrasing in the organ works by studying the orchestral works.   RE Chorale Preludes: I'm sure nothing but an apparition of JSB himself will change Bruce's mind, but personally I find the Third Part of the Clavieruebung to be the summit of Bach's art, if not of western music as a whole. The Kyries, large and small ... the large Kyrie, God the Holy Ghost is sublime! The dancing preludes on All Glory Be To God Alone ... the theological riches of These Are The Ten Holy Commands ... and the JOY of the contrast of the small version! The absolute certainty of We All Believe In One True God ... and the Our Father ... oh my! I've never conquered it, and I've been at it for nearly thirty years, but I WILL. Christ our Lord to Jordan Came is one of my "test" pieces when I go to examine a new organ ... do the manual parts balance? Does the manual 16' speak quickly enough? Is the 4' Chorale Bass strong enough? Jesus, Christ our Saviour was one of the first organ pieces I ever heard, played on the National Cathedral organ by Paul Calloway. I determined then and there to learn the whole of the Clavieruebung.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Everyone's not bilingual.... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:10:20 EDT   Greetings,   Okay.....the only reason I asked if I should keep it = simple is because I wrote the title to that chorale prelude in french and not everyone on this list (or the others for that matter) is bilingual. That's =   the reason. Do with it whatever you wish.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Cantata 22, chorale preludes From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:14:53 EDT     Thank you very much Bud...........your post was a really big help. Two = hats off to you for helping me. It got me thinking about transcribing.............   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Cantata 22, chorale preludes From: "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:47:52 +0100   Bud wrote:   > I find the Third Part of the Clavieruebung to be the summit of Bach's a= rt, if not of western music as > a whole.   Another interesting idea is to consider the 'smaller' preludes as harpsichord peices (look at the compass, the reach of the hands, also the notation). I have never heard it performed like this; but you could give = a recital of the Clavier=FCbung III as an organ and harpsichord programme. = Peter Williams' three volumes 'The Organ Music of J. S. Bach' Cambridge Studies= in Music is almost a must for every Bach player.   Or what about an even more monumental series: The complete Clavier=FCbung= I, II, III and IV ...   Edward -- Edward Marsh BA FRCO(CHM) Director, NPC Records http://www.nutcracker-productions.com info@nutcracker-productions.com emarsh@argonet.co.uk edmarsh@lineone.net   +44 (0) 191 285 9932 Phone +44 (0) 191 285 2219 Phone/Fax +44 (0) 789 975 8152 Mobile   3 Mayfield Road Gosforth Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 4HE England UK          
(back) Subject: Re: Transcribing From: "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:59:54 +0100   Bud   Transcribing is hard work; but at the end of the day it can be very rewarding. How many of you have a working of the opening movement of the Christmas Oratorio? This makes a great postlude.   A method I have developed is to look at the full scores of Elgar and = compare them witrh the transcriptions of people like Lemare, W.T. Best, G. C. = Martin and of course Herbert Brewer (Prelude and Angel's Farewell: Dream of Gerontius) and suddenly you realise a) what an art it is and b) how clever and effective the transcriptions are.   You these as models then apply them to whatever you are wanting to transcribe.   Another tool for the transcriber is probably music publishing software. I use Sibelius for Windows and Sibelius 7 (Arcorn) for more information = check out their Web Site http://www.sibelius.com   I hope this helps.   Edward -- Edward Marsh BA FRCO(CHM) Director, NPC Records http://www.nutcracker-productions.com info@nutcracker-productions.com emarsh@argonet.co.uk edmarsh@lineone.net   +44 (0) 191 285 9932 Phone +44 (0) 191 285 2219 Phone/Fax +44 (0) 789 975 8152 Mobile   3 Mayfield Road Gosforth Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 4HE England UK