PipeChat Digest #1015 - Thursday, August 5, 1999
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #1014 - 08/04/99
  by "tgregory@speeddial.net" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Wedding in Aurora IL
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Pizza and Pipes, Tacoma Washington Burns Down
  by "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net>
Re: Pizza and Pipes, Tacoma Washington Burns Down
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Maranatha Canadian. Ref. Church, Surrey, BC organ
  by "Jan Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: chorale preludes
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Allen Speakers....
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Bach piece with paws
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
RE: Bach piece with paws
  by "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@ACADMN.MERCER.EDU>
Re: chorale preludes
  by "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net>
Re: Allen Speakers....
  by "Dan Wilkinson" <dandub@gte.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1014 - 08/04/99 From: "tgregory@speeddial.net" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 99 05:55:16 -0500   please delete name from PipeChat Digest.    
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:04:51 -0500   Has anyone ever compiled a listing of standard chorale preludes as to appropriateness for particular seasons or feast days? While many suggest their "time frame" without doubt, there is a great body of works out there that do not seem to lend themselves to a particular time of year. Of course, my German and French are next to nil also.   Just wondering.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:39:16 -0400   Take away the intimate familiarity that the old Lutheran congregations = had with their chorales, and you've lost the meaning of the piece       Well, yes, of course. But why on earth would anyone want to do THAT?   I ask because probably everyone on the list (Lutheran or otherwise) knows = of a Lutheran church where just that "taking away" is happening on a = continuing basis.       Not at St. Luke's, Manhattan, I'm glad to say. Our feisty organist seems = to experience some kind of glee in trying to "lose" us--and we love it (most = of us) because we just won't let him get away with it. (But now I'm getting into the chorales themselves rather than their preludes.)   Alan  
(back) Subject: Wedding in Aurora IL From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:39:41 -0400   Speak with the minister about your cue for starting the Wedding Processional. Also is there a request for music for the mothers of the bride and groom to take their seats, and is there a carpet to be rolled down after that? Check with the signal to start the Recessional also, do the newlyweds get introduced first or what's the cue? The Unity Candle-lighting is a big part of weddings nowadays, you might need some "traveling" music for that. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:05:06 -0700   I pick things that are appropriate to the season and/or the readings of t= he day .... if I have the energy, I might write out the chorale for the choir to = sing during Communion; if we have a baptism, I play "Christ our Lord to Jordan Came", etc.; other than that, I treat them as the gorgeous "absolute" mus= ic that they are, since I need SHORT preludes and postludes with our tight schedule: 8-9:15-10:15 (will change to 10:30 when the choir comes back so= we have time to warm up).   I'm honestly curious where this disaffection for chorale-preludes comes f= rom ..... surely not an anti-Lutheran prejudice (grin)?   Cheers,   Bud   Tom Jones wrote:   > Willy-nilly use of chorale preludes has worried me, too, and for s= ome > time, I've used CPs only when we were using the hymn tune upon which th= e CP > was based. (People have reacted very favorably to having the organ musi= c > "tie in" in this way.) Now, however, I'm beginning to think that, with > worthy CPs, it might be OK to relax that a bit. For one thing, think of= the > monuments of organ literature that never get used! > I may try using worthy CPs based on tunes that AREN'T familiar to = the > congregation, programming them based on their aesthetics alone. For > example, no one in this church knows the chorales "O Mensch bewein" or = "Ich > ruf zu dir," but even so, it's hard to imagine more appropriate-soundin= g > pieces for Lent than the Orgelb=FCchlein settings of those tunes. > But I intend to be very strict about it, not using CPs by Willan o= r > somebody like that (that's not a dig against Willan) unless we're using= the > hymn tune. Conversely, I'm going to continue to restrict CPs that are b= ased > on familiar tunes to Sundays when we're actually using those hymns. > > Regards, > Tom Jones > Organist/Choir Director > Mebane Presbyterian Church, Mebane, N.C. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:10:59 -0700     --------------75FB78D25B7E8E7B9CB0E403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   (snip)     > Perhaps pairing the performance of a chorale prelude with = audience > participation (singing the tune in translation) would contribute greatly > to the palatability of these works in concert. I simply couldn't = imagine > subjecting an audience to a performance of chorale-based works without > making some effort to provide context. Without that, one is simply left > with something incoherent at best, and tedious at worst. > > Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas > http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn > >   Yes, it IS highly desirable to perform the chorale-preludes with the sung chorale melodies, just as it is highly desirable to supply the missing = Chant verses to the French Baroque organ Masses, but I still play both without choral participation in church. I presume y'all still play the Couperin = Mass movements without the chant.   Cheers,   Bud   --------------75FB78D25B7E8E7B9CB0E403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> (snip) <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps pairing the performance of a chorale prelude with audience <br>participation (singing the tune in translation) would contribute = greatly <br>to the palatability of these works in concert.&nbsp; I simply couldn't imagine <br>subjecting an audience to a performance of chorale-based works without <br>making some effort to provide context.&nbsp; Without that, one is = simply left <br>with something incoherent at best, and tedious at worst. <p>Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas <br><a = href=3D"http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn">http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~g= emshorn</a> <br>&nbsp; <br><a href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></a>&nbsp;</blockquote> Yes, it IS highly desirable to perform the chorale-preludes with the sung chorale melodies, just as it is highly desirable to supply the missing Chant verses to the French Baroque organ Masses, but I still play both without choral participation in church. I presume y'all still play the Couperin Mass movements without the chant. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud</html>   --------------75FB78D25B7E8E7B9CB0E403--    
(back) Subject: Pizza and Pipes, Tacoma Washington Burns Down From: "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:56:44 -0500     Breaking news last evening was that the big Wurlitzer in the Pizza and= Pipes restaurant in Tacoma burned down. http://theatreorgans.com/washington/tacoma/       I called up my dear friend Andy Crow who is an organist at the Pizza and= Pipes and he confirmed the worst. The console is totally destroyed= however the fire didn't get to the front of the building where the pipes= lived. The relay room was not burned up either, however, there is= extensive water, smoke and heat damage to the rest of the organ. Damage= won't be known until the organ pipes, relays and chests are removed. It= will have to all be removed right away due to the fact the roof is open,= etc and water is everywhere.   Talk as of this morning is to restore the restaurant, and there was= adequate insurance in place.   Other talk is that this is a prime piece of real estate and who knows,= Walgreens or Eckerts may have their eye on it. (How many pharmacies can= there be in one town)       Anyway, thats all that is known for now.   Jerrell      
(back) Subject: Re: Pizza and Pipes, Tacoma Washington Burns Down From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:23:06 EDT   In a message dated 8/4/99 11:59:25 AM Central Daylight Time, jkautz@ebicom.net writes:   << Other talk is that this is a prime piece of real estate and who knows, Walgreens or Eckerts may have their eye on it. (How many pharmacies can = there be in one town) >> Fight tooth and nail to keep that Walgreen bunch out of there. They ran me =   out of a very nice apartment so they could put up a new store. Now there = are 4 pharmacies within a two-block area. Needless to say I moved = prescriptions and other business elsewhere. To replace such a show place in Tacoma with = yet another drug dealer is down right obscene. Maynard  
(back) Subject: Maranatha Canadian. Ref. Church, Surrey, BC organ From: Jan Vanderstad <dcob@nac.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:23:29 -0400   Hello Listers, Would anyone be so kind as to shed light on the organ in Maranatha Canadian Reformed Church in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada by providing me with a specification?   Appreciatively, Jan Vanderstad  
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:37:20 EDT   In a message dated 8/2/99 11:03:49 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << I'm not sure my mind would qualify as great, unless you're referring to the expanse of empty space in it. >>   You are much too modest :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:39:15 EDT   In a message dated 8/3/99 2:46:26 PM Central Daylight Time, edwardorgan@hotmail.com writes:   << In some ways, you are a greater man than I. >>   Now that's the first time I've heard a minister say that!   Thanks for the compliment!!!   John  
(back) Subject: Allen Speakers.... From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:32:03 EDT   Speakers do not need to be overly large to produce, "the ripping bass = tone" some members heard in organ installations. B&W pride themselves on producing very fine speakers capable of producing extreamly soft to huge volumes of sound down to inaudible pitch levels. Other speaker manufacturers are doing the same thing but dont expect to find them at = your local "Tweeters" or "Best Buys". Also dont be shocked when the B&W's = price tag makes Bose speakers look like kiddy toys. (also makes them sound that =   way as well!) Anyone interested in audio listening should check out B&W 800 series or Nautalis Speakers - you won't be disapointed!   The Maitre     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Bach piece with paws From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:34:27 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0006_01BEDEC1.21424C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Quick, give me a Bach piece with a climactic pause, or at least one =3D where a pause would be fitting. I've got my ideas, I need yours, I'll =3D tell you why later! Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0006_01BEDEC1.21424C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type><BASE=3D20 href=3D3D"file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft =3D Shared\Stationery\"> <STYLE></STYLE>   <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3401" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY background=3D3D""> <DIV>Quick, give me a Bach piece with a climactic pause, or at least one = =3D where a=3D20 pause would be fitting.&nbsp; I've got my ideas, I need yours, I'll tell = =3D you why=3D20 later!</DIV> <DIV>Brent Johnson<BR>The Organ Web Ring<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.organwebring.com">http://www.organwebring.com</A><BR><= =3D A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:brent@organwebring.com">brent@organwebring.com</A></DIV></= =3D BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0006_01BEDEC1.21424C40--    
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:03 -0400 (EDT)     >Are you directing your fire principally, then, at > current composers of chorale preludes? Very likely you've struck the stopper squarely! ;-)   >Two questions: >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A01. What do you think of baroque > CP's by composers other than Bach? Like > Buxtehude, Krebs, Walther, Bohm, Hanff, et > al. I agree with you here. I do enjoy especially Buxtehude, Krebs and Lubeck, probably more for the construction, thoughtful writing and most of all for their playing of tuning systems in their writing.   >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02. What do you think of the better > current composers of CP's like Robert Hebble > and Emma Lou Diemer? Robert Hebble as written some interesting CPs, but I think they could be vastly improved by his creation of an original melody; ditto for Charles Callahan, a good example being his "Folk Tune." I've tried to like Diemer's music, but cannot really warm to it. Probably the best modern composer of CPs would be Paul Manz. Another, although almost classic, is Healey Willan whose CPs are really elegant. Sowerby's CPs, much as Karg-Elert are often barely recognizable as such, and are of course my favorites.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   I love a dog. =A0 He does nothing for political reasons. =A0 -- Will Rogers    
(back) Subject: RE: Bach piece with paws From: "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@ACADMN.MERCER.EDU> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:10:03 -0400   Well, there are both the big G Major prelude and fugue and the c minor passacaglia and thema fugatum. How would those do?   -Stephen      
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:11:12 -0400   > Take away the intimate familiarity that the old Lutheran congregations had > with their chorales, and you've lost the meaning of the piece   That isn't necessarily true. It depends on whether you're talking about Willan or Bach. Granted, if you don't know the words of "O Mensch bewein," you won't understand the Adagissimo at the end of Bach's setting. But good chorale preludes have a character of their own, albeit derived from the original chorale. Bach's "O Mensch bewein" may be richer for a congregation that's familiar with the hymn, but played as absolute music, it has as much abstract meaning as virtually any other absolute music.   Regards, Tom Jones Organist/Choir Director Mebane Presbyterian Church, Mebane, N.C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Speakers.... From: Dan Wilkinson <dandub@gte.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:27:34 -0700   Well......   I can tell you....I have 4 Allen HC16s and 2 PP4s with my 317........I = think normally the 317 comes with 4 HC16s. I had the PP4s from my Allen 212 and = kept them......   With these things, I can produce the thundering (well mostly...there's not really enough room in my place) 32' Contra Violone, and the 16' Tibia and = (in second voicing) 16' Flue that make the lady next door wonder if we're not = having an earthquake.....at least here in Southern California....ha!   These Allen speakers work great......   Dan   Erik Johnson wrote:   > Speakers do not need to be overly large to produce, "the ripping bass = tone" > some members heard in organ installations. B&W pride themselves on > producing very fine speakers capable of producing extreamly soft to huge > volumes of sound down to inaudible pitch levels. Other speaker > manufacturers are doing the same thing but dont expect to find them at = your > local "Tweeters" or "Best Buys". Also dont be shocked when the B&W's = price > tag makes Bose speakers look like kiddy toys. (also makes them sound = that > way as well!) > Anyone interested in audio listening should check out B&W 800 series or > Nautalis Speakers - you won't be disapointed! > > The Maitre > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org