PipeChat Digest #1024 - Tuesday, August 10, 1999
 
Chicago area church organists please note
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: V Williams: Lark Ascending
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: names of flowers in their titles
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: pipechat@pipechat.org
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Shrine Kilgen Clarinet
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: pipechat@pipechat.org
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: V Williams: Lark Ascending
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Shrine Kilgen Clarinet
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Shrine Songs, Hollanders and Kilgens
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Mechanical "Duplexing" of tracker action Pedal
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Shrine Songs, Hollanders and Kilgens
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Shrine Kilgen Clarinet
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: pipechat@pipechat.org
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
suggested titles for Scott
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Responses to Digital camera inquiry.
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: names of flowers in their titles
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: pipe organ popularity
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Tulips
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Tulips
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: names of flowers in their titles
  by <Ronnymn@aol.com>
Re: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 


(back) Subject: Chicago area church organists please note From: Pat Maimone <patmai@juno.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:01:13 -0400   From the Choral List....   Pat Maimone   -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hurty <muj-hurty@augustana.edu> To: Choralist message <choralist@lists.Colorado.EDU> Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 11:00 PM Subject: Baritone looking for choir in Chicago Area   >A graduate of the Augustana Choir is looking for a choir to join in the >Chicago Area. He is a good reader and very dedicated. He sang with the >Augustana Choir and Chamber Singers for four years. He graduated two years >ago and recently relocated to Chicago area. His name is Eric Misfeldt and >you can contact him at 708-386-0652.   >------------------------------ >Jon Hurty, D.M.A. >Director of Choral Activities >Augustana College >639-38th Street >Rock Island, Illinois 61201 >muj-hurty@augustana.edu >------------------------------       ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: V Williams: Lark Ascending From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:29:23 -0400   I played this from the piano score at a recital last year, on a small unaltered EM Skinner from the 20's. The sound ouf that clarinet rising = over the celeste was heavenly- and the whole transcription was easy to do. I'd love to hear a recording of it. In my case the violinist had played it the year before with our local community orchestra, and he was most impressed with the sound of the organ. "Just like the orchestra, except together and in tune", he said.   Highly recommended!   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: names of flowers in their titles From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:30:51 -0400   Scott Joplin- Heliotrope Bouquet Giacomo Puccini- Crysantemi (string quartet) Johann Strauss- Roses from the South     Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: pipechat@pipechat.org From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:01:32 -0500   >Since the National Shrine of the Little Flower is located not too far = from >Holland, Michigan, how about "Tiptoe Through the Tulips" :-) > >Stan Krider   OK, then there is an oldie from the real Holland: "Tulips from Amsterdam"   John (very Dutch) Vanderlee      
(back) Subject: Re: Shrine Kilgen Clarinet From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:09:41 -0500   >In a message dated 8/9/99 9:14:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes: > ><< How's the Kilgen's Clarinet? >> > >VERY nice, full bodied and "woody!" A beautiful tone indeed, quite >orchestral. And- also, thanks for the suggestions! -SFF   Hi Scott, I was just joking, sort of... But seriously, that piece "Petite Fleur" was a hit record in the 50's in Westen Europe. It was a clarinet solo, = done sort of like Acker Bilk who did: "Stranger on the Shore" later in the US.   Now if you're truly interested I'll dig out the '45 and copy it.   Maybe you could rearrange it into a liturgical setting!   Take care,   John      
(back) Subject: Re: pipechat@pipechat.org From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:10:15 EDT   In a message dated 8/10/99 8:02:16 AM Central Daylight Time, jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes:   << "Tulips from Amsterdam" >>   Now this reminds me of a joke... which goes something like this "What's better than roses on a piano?".... I'd better not finish it in the = interest of young children and those easily offended :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: V Williams: Lark Ascending From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:28:48 -0400   It is a funny thing, but in over 60 years of enjoying music, it would = never have occurred to me that R,V.W's "The Lark Ascending" could be played with an organ accompaniment!   I would love to actually hear the work played by violin and organ, - has anyone ever recorded it ?   Was there ever an authorised piano reduction, for it is well known that = RVW would have been the first to agree to it if he had known.   Odd sort of a fellow, was R.V.W. - He looked and talked like a farmer, and yet wrote some glorious music, - he came to a few of our performances of his choral works, "Hodie", "Dona nobis parcem" and the "Mass in G" , and was very welcome to rehearsals, for he was very quiet and deliberate with his comments, yet somehow he managed to convey his feelings to the = performers.   I would like to know if anyone has ever heard of "The Lark Ascending" = being on a CD.   Bob Conway At 07:29 AM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >I played this from the piano score at a recital last year, on a small >unaltered EM Skinner from the 20's. The sound ouf that clarinet rising = over >the celeste was heavenly- and the whole transcription was easy to do. I'd >love to hear a recording of it. In my case the violinist had played it = the >year before with our local community orchestra, and he was most impressed >with the sound of the organ. "Just like the orchestra, except together = and >in tune", he said. > >Highly recommended! > >Paul > >http://www.sover.net/~popel > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Shrine Kilgen Clarinet From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:40:18 -0500   Sorry Scott, this was meant as a personal message..   >>In a message dated 8/9/99 9:14:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes: >> >><< How's the Kilgen's Clarinet? >> >> >>VERY nice, full bodied and "woody!" A beautiful tone indeed, quite >>orchestral. And- also, thanks for the suggestions! -SFF > >Hi Scott, I was just joking, sort of... But seriously, that piece "Petite >Fleur" >was a hit record in the 50's in Westen Europe. It was a clarinet solo, = done >sort of like Acker Bilk who did: "Stranger on the Shore" later in the US. > >Now if you're truly interested I'll dig out the '45 and copy it. > >Maybe you could rearrange it into a liturgical setting! > >Take care, > >John > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Shrine Songs, Hollanders and Kilgens From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:46:25 -0700   On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:49:46 EDT, Stan Kriver <KriderSM@aol.com> wrote:   > Since the National Shrine of the Little Flower is located not too far = from > Holland, Michigan, how about "Tiptoe Through the Tulips" :-)   Actually, Holland is clear across the state from where Scott is located!   I know. I grew up in Grand Rapids before moving to Illnois. On my way home to Spring Lake, where my Mom still lives, I pass through Holland on my way north. It'd be a good 3 hour drive. I used to drive from the Detroit back to Spring Lake many a time when I was in College.   And the cops didn't think I tiptoed throgh the Tulip-patch, either! I, for one, hope that next time I'm in Michigan, I'll have a chance to see this wonderful Kilgen instrument. I take care of several of them here in central Illinois, and my opinion of them is that they are "diamonds in the rough". I find it relatively easy to make an instrument that would make you weep with joy out of most of the Kilgen stuff I've encountered. Their unit actions are actually a joy to work on and the pipework, by Dennison, was always nicely well-made and appropriately scaled.   It is truly a pity they are no longer amongst us!   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)  
(back) Subject: Mechanical "Duplexing" of tracker action Pedal From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:52:46 -0700   On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:29:08 PDT, Ray Ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> asks the builders on the list: > How does one build a mechanical action unit pedal chest, ya know, one = rank > of pipes with upper octave extension.   What you would have to do is to build the action so that there are two pallets underneath each duplexed pipe; both communicating with a common channel which leads to the pipe foot. One of the pallets would be for the playing the pipe in question at one pitch, while the other is for playing the note at whatever other "unified" pitch it is required at (in this instance: an octave higher). Since there are no other notes involved, you should not have to place a check valve underneath these, but you would need to have sliders for stop action, so that the pipes play only when they are wanted.   Obviously, this means some additional mechanism between the Pedalboard and the second set of pallets, but depending upon the configuration of the chest, it may be possible to do this by using the same Roller by adding a third arm.   Obviously, this is a very simplistic explanation, and such a scheme would have to be engineered out for the specific application.   Faithfully,   \Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Shrine Songs, Hollanders and Kilgens From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:53:35 EDT   In a message dated 8/10/99 9:47:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, arpncorn@davesworld.net writes:   << I, for one, hope that next time I'm in Michigan, I'll have a chance to see this wonderful Kilgen instrument.   As I have said numerous times- anyone is welcome to come and play the = Kilgen for as long as they would like to.       I take care of several of them here in central Illinois, and my opinion of them is that they are "diamonds in the rough". I find it relatively easy to make an instrument that would make you weep with joy out of most of the Kilgen stuff I've encountered.   Fine, maybe for the assembly line Kilgens- but the big custom instruments were well voiced and regulated, and the Shrine Kilgen was tonally finished = by Henry Vincent Willis. Believe me- it is NOT rough by any = means...........but rather refined.       Their unit actions are actually a joy to work on and the pipework, by Dennison, was always nicely well-made and appropriately scaled. Our pipework was built at Kilgen in St. Louis, not by Dennison as many = were. Again- this was a custom instrument design from top to bottom and front to =   back. Much extra care and attention to detail was lavished upon it and it shows.       It is truly a pity they are no longer amongst us!   True- it would be interesting to see what they think of their own = instruments today- especially ours since it is totally original.   Scott Foppiano, NAtional Shrine of the Little FLower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Re: Shrine Kilgen Clarinet From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:58:52 -0700   At 12:13 AM 8/10/1999 EDT, you wrote: ><< How's the Kilgen's Clarinet? >> > >VERY nice, full bodied and "woody!" A beautiful tone indeed, quite >orchestral.<snip>   I've also played a couple of Kilgens with very nice orchestral solo reeds...a couple of oboes and a very, very convincing clarinet. Sadly, = the rest of the organs rather sucked in comparsion, the tubby, slow-speaking = and tonally useless phonon-type "diapasons" being the worst offenders.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: pipechat@pipechat.org From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:01:01 -0700   At 07:01 AM 8/10/99 , you wrote: >OK, then there is an oldie from the real Holland: "Tulips from Amsterdam" > >John (very Dutch) Vanderlee   You might want to go to Holland, Michigan and hear "Tulips" on a genuine Dutch Street Organ. Can't remember its name right now tho. :-)   Regards, Ron Yost    
(back) Subject: suggested titles for Scott From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:36:55 EDT     Subject: Re: From: "" <> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:12:24 PDT   I offered Scott this title with my resasoning:   >Since the National Shrine of the Little Flower is located not too far = from >Holland, Michigan, how about "Tiptoe Through the Tulips" :-)   ray_ahrens@hotmail.com responded by stating:   >It's at least a three hour drive. Try something else.   I now respond thusly:   "Tiptoe Through the Tulips with Loooooonnnnnnggg variations... :-)   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Responses to Digital camera inquiry. From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:48:13 EDT   Hi List,   I just want to thank the many people who took time to respond to my = question on digital cameras. I received replies from 45 individuals. After trying = to answer each email, and since it would take lots of time to acknowledge = each one, I decided to do it this way. The responses were very informative. It turns out that opinion is evenly =   divided between the use of a digital camera and a good SLR with a scanner. = Additionally, most people recommended some model of Sony above all other types. They are: Sony MVC-FD73, MVC-FD71, MVC-FD7 and JVC-GC-S1U. They = fall in the 5 to 7 hundred dollar range.   Once again thanks for the help. Like I said, "there is a wealth of information and knowledge available on the Internet waiting to be tapped". =   Cordially, Phil L.    
(back) Subject: Re: names of flowers in their titles From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:07:41 -0400   Roses are Blooming in Picardy Then there's always Daisy Belle. Actually, I have an old piece called the Flower Garden Ball. I'll have to go find that one, it's full of wordplays on the flower names. Swaying Daffodils Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White Poinciana When You Wore a Tulip The Rose of Tralee Lilac Time Gladiolia Rag The Chrysanthemum (rag)   Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:32:35 -0700   Help! Does anybody have a PRE-1956 edition of either Ritual Notes or Fortescue & O'Connell (Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described)? I need the ceremonial for Tenebrae ... I don't trust my memory, and the order of extinguishing the candles has to be adapted if you only sing one nocturn plus Lauds. I'm think of doing Wednesday night (and possibly Maundy Thursday night, as part of the Watch before the Altar of Repose).   Alan? Roger? Anybody?   Thanks!   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: pipe organ popularity From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:01:29 -0400   Stan:   Interesting question. I have a number of personal friends who attend St. Luke's on special occasions, feast days, etc., and, in fact, do the same = at other Lutheran/Roman/Episcopal churches--just for the music. I let them know when we're going to have a special whoop-de-do of any kind, and they come, because that's what they like. Adamant non-Christians, they = couldn't care LESS about the spiritual content of our liturgy, preaching, = doctrines, etc.   1. There's no question that in almost any venue there's going to be some old bag who (IF HE KNEW that that's what you're there for--which might = even be something as coarse as the big soprano with the great headlights) would think (or even mutter), "How ridiculous! To come just for the cantata! = (or the pedal solo, or whatever)."   2. But there's also no question that if two or three of the ushers got together to talk about this (or the pastor and two deacons, or any other little grouplet of congregants) tossed this around a little bit, they'd surely come out with the opinion: "Pathetic that that's all he can come for, but I'm sure glad he does, and I hope he keeps doing it." The WORST they would say about you would be, "Well, maybe he'll learn that we have something even more important to offer him."   I think you'd find yourself very welcome almost anywhere. Even IF they = knew that you're purely an esthete tourist. But who's going to tell them even that much? Here in NYC, within a block of St. Luke's, double-decker = busses take off every Sunday morning ($39 per person) for Harlem just so tourists can go to church and listen to great church choirs. Affection for this practice is not unanimous in those Harlem congregations (they stick the [largely German and Japanese] tourists up in the balcony with their camcorders), but they get a few bucks in the plate.   A few years ago I stopped into Stefansdom, Vienna, for a noon mass on Pentecost Monday; we were firmly told that we could listen from back by = the doors, but actually go in and sit down only if we committed to remaining respectfully for the mass--which I thought a good policy, in view of the past history of that and many other places where genuine worship was virtually eliminated in favor of total tourism.   Alan Freed   >From: KriderSM@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: pipe organ popularity >Date: Sat, Aug 7, 1999, 9:55 AM   > Are outsiders welcome to attend worship services for the sole purpose of > listening to the organ music? > Do congregations welcome outsiders to attend their worship services if = the > worship service is secondary to the visitor's reason for attending? > > E.G. I would eagerly attend services during which several of you are = playing > simply to hear the wonderful musical compositions you delight in = describing. > Would I be welcomed in your sanctuaries? Or would I be ostracized by = glaring > from the "regulars"?  
(back) Subject: Tulips From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:10:41 -0500     >You might want to go to Holland, Michigan and hear "Tulips" on a genuine >Dutch Street Organ. Can't remember its name right now tho. :-) > >Regards, >Ron Yost   Ron, I was in Holland (the real thing) last summer and I must have heard = it on the street organs at least 3 times. Got it on some CDs too.   Now there's a country! Pipe organs for street music, as common as a boom = box!   (well not quite, but they're interesting novelties)   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:37:14 -0400   Bud, I can't imagine doubting you on this, but why am I thinking that's = for Advent?   Alan   >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire >Date: Sun, Aug 8, 1999, 12:00 AM   > There Shall A Star From Jacob Come Forth (but that's for Epiphany)  
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:38:37 -0400   >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire >Date: Sun, Aug 8, 1999, 12:00 AM   > At St. Matthew's, our one and only Christmas Mass is at 5 p.m. on = Christmas Eve   Bud: Are you serious? NOTHING on Christmas morning???!!!   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Tulips From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:36:02 -0700   At 11:10 AM 8/10/99 , you wrote: > >>You might want to go to Holland, Michigan and hear "Tulips" on a genuine >>Dutch Street Organ. Can't remember its name right now tho. :-) >> >>Regards, >>Ron Yost > >Ron, I was in Holland (the real thing) last summer and I must have heard = it >on the street organs at least 3 times. Got it on some CDs too. > >Now there's a country! Pipe organs for street music, as common as a boom = box! > >(well not quite, but they're interesting novelties) > >John V   Great! Never been there, myself .. yet. Would you be interested in = trading tapes?? :-) I only have one CD of a DSO (a small one, here in the U.S.), but have a lot of tapes of Street Organs and Fair Organs. :-)   I really like those crude organs .. something about their simplicity, you know?   Regards, Ron Yost    
(back) Subject: Re: names of flowers in their titles From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:40:38 EDT   One forgotten and a little more poetic: "She's only a rose with a broken stem"  
(back) Subject: Re: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:41:05 -0400   Bud, I think my Ritual Notes is later than that; my Ceremonies . . . may = be a used one I picked up in the late 50s, so there's a possibility. I'll check when I get home tonight.   Alan   >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >To: CHANT-L <CHANT-L@BATIC.NETONECOM.NET>, organchat = <organchat@onelist.com>, pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted) >Date: Tue, Aug 10, 1999, 12:32 PM   > PRE-1956 edition of either Ritual Notes or > Fortescue & O'Connell (Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described)?  
(back) Subject: Re: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:52:51 -0700   Alan - thanks, dude; somebody on Chant-L has both. The last copy of Ritual = Notes I had had already omitted the Tenebrae rubrics, since it was dropped around = '56 when the Triduum was moved to the evening in the RC church.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > Bud, I think my Ritual Notes is later than that; my Ceremonies . . . may = be > a used one I picked up in the late 50s, so there's a possibility. I'll > check when I get home tonight. > > Alan > > >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > >To: CHANT-L <CHANT-L@BATIC.NETONECOM.NET>, organchat = <organchat@onelist.com>, > pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Subject: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted) > >Date: Tue, Aug 10, 1999, 12:32 PM > > > PRE-1956 edition of either Ritual Notes or > > Fortescue & O'Connell (Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described)? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:04:59 -0700   Christmas morning comes and goes ... the first year I was there, we didn't = have it and had two Masses (5 p.m. and 8 p.m.) on Christmas Eve ... the family Low-Mass-with-carols at 5 p.m. was packed; the choir sang the High Mass at = 8 p.m. to a half-empty church, so the second year we had the one High Mass at 5 = p.m. on Christmas Eve and a 10:15 a.m. Low-Mass-with-carols on Christmas Day, but = it wasn't worth getting up for ... maybe 25 people. They all want to come = Christmas Eve, and they all want to come EARLY ... nobody in his right mind wants to = be on the freeways late on Christmas Eve ... too many drunks, etc. ... don't = know what we're gonna do about the turning of the millenium ... I want to have a = midnight Mass, but I don't know if it'll fly, for the same reason. We ARE having a = High Mass on the DAY for the first time, if not at midnight ... Circumcision = and Name of Jesus. I don't expect it to be mobbed (grin).   One thing I didn't note is that our sister parish, St. Mary Magdalene over = in Orange, has the midnight Mass on Christmas, and the few people from St. = Matthew's who want it go over there, but I can count them on the fingers of one = hand. Midnight Mass is pretty much a dead issue all over southern California ... = RC, ACC, Episcopal, Lutheran ... though I think Andy at Pilgrim still has it, = but that's a territorial parish. That's pretty much what determines it ... territorial parishes do, what few are left; non-territorial commuter = parishes don't.   I kinda like the idea of singing First Evensong of Christmas before the = Mass ... we're moving steadily toward daily sung Mattins and Evensong with the = seminarians in any case. THAT is a LOT of work!   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire > >Date: Sun, Aug 8, 1999, 12:00 AM > > > At St. Matthew's, our one and only Christmas Mass is at 5 p.m. on = Christmas > Eve > > Bud: Are you serious? NOTHING on Christmas morning???!!! > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:06:32 -0700   You may be right ... I was thinking Epiphany because "Wie schoen leuchtet" appears in the middle ... Anglicans tend to think of that chorale as exclusively for Epiphany.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > Bud, I can't imagine doubting you on this, but why am I thinking that's = for > Advent? > > Alan > > >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Subject: Re: Christmas Choir/organ repertoire > >Date: Sun, Aug 8, 1999, 12:00 AM > > > There Shall A Star From Jacob Come Forth (but that's for Epiphany) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: ceremonial for Tenebrae (X-posted) From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:24:52 -0500   Bud   I have a copy of the 9th edition (1946) of Ritual Notes, email me privately what you are after and I will scan that part and send it to you   David