PipeChat Digest #1030 - Monday, August 16, 1999
 
Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
RE: North Carolina
  by "Barry and Claire Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net>
trumpet & organ
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: trumpet & organ
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Tuba Tune
  by <prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net>
Re: Tuba Tune
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
RE: Tuba Tune
  by "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@ACADMN.MERCER.EDU>
Re: French Casavants
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: Tuba Tune
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Tuba Tune
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted)
  by "William Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
Re: Tuba Tune
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: trumpet & organ
  by "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@btinternet.com>
Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted)
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted)
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1027 - 08/13/99
  by "Robert F. Ziegler" <rfziegler@ync.net>
Re: Tuba Tune
  by "Chris Ryland" <rylandc@kalg.curtin.edu.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:47:45 -0500   Jerry wrote: > > There are a lot of laser printers available for 400 & less. They cost = less > per sheet than bubble jets. If you want color than it's a no brainer, = the > HP's Cannons and Epson Ink jets all have their merits. My choice in a = low > cost Windows printer would be the HP 712c available for $150. Hope that > helps.   I have had an HP712C about nine months and it seems very satisfactory. One local store is currently selling them for $149. I us an HP710 at work, and quite honestly don't notice the difference. My only criticism is the high cost of the ink cartridges -- both the black and color cartridges have had to be replaced (the black one twice) and each time it is around $35. I don't know how that compares with other brands, however, which for all I know may be worse.   John Speller, St. Mark's, St. Louis.  
(back) Subject: RE: North Carolina From: Barry and Claire Bodie <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:58:48 -0400   Barry Bodie in Western North Carolina at your service! Bbodie@infoave.net   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Preston Wilson > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 4:37 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: North Carolina > > > If there is anyone on the List from North Carolina, would you please get > in touch with me privately. I have some questions for you. > > Shalom, > Preston > p.wilson2@juno.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: trumpet & organ From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:07:24 -0500   As a violinist I was indeed to hear that someone on this list knew of the Paradis work though I can't imagine this on trumpet (give me time <g>). I have played the Peeters Aria on violin too with organ using a mute on the violin and it is perfect for communions. In my last church I played that during the veneration of the cross on Good Friday. ANYWAY back to the trumpet!, A few thoughts come to mind:   Air de Trumpette by Telemann arr. by Tarr and published separately   Heroic Music of Telemann (12 in all) These are esp. nice with a well = played picalo trumpet (International ed. is nice and inexpensive)   Check the catologue for works by Maurice Greene (I played a work for 2 trumpets and organ which was wonderful (it was Voluntary # 6 so it is hard to imagine that he would write this many for 2 trumpets and none for solo trumpet)   also I am not sure of the name of the work but Jean Baptiste Loeillet possibly a concerto, but the slow movement in I think A Minor is a winner.   Also check out voluntaries and trumpet tunes by David Johnson and Craig Sellar Lang. The first two I mentioned are an aboslute must, order them !!!   Hope this helps :-) Robert Eversman Mineral Point WI   highnote@mhtc.net    
(back) Subject: Re: trumpet & organ From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:09:45 -0500   Robert Eversman wrote: > > As a violinist I was indeed to hear that someone on this list knew of = the > Paradis work though I can't imagine this on trumpet (give me time <g>).   Maria Theresia von Paradis's "Sicilienne" is one of my favorite pieces, but I also have difficulty with imagining it being played on the trumpet. The piece was published in an arrangement for piano and violin by Samuel Dushkin in 1924 by Schott. (Dushkin was a violinist who used to do a lot of violin/piano duets touring with Igor Stravinsky.) It can be played on the organ, using a soft solo stop for the violin part, and playing the RH piano part on soft strings or flutes with the left hand and playing the LH piano part of the pedals. That's what I do, but I think there are organ transcriptions in anthologies by Charles Callahan and/or Diano Bish. I can imagine it coming off quite nicely with other solo orchestral instruments, such as oboe or clarinet, but I really think it is too quiet in mood to come off well on the trumpet.   Incidentally, Maria Theresia von Paradis (1759-1824) was the blind daughter of Imperial Court Secretary of Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, after whom she was named. She was a pupil of Antonio Salieri and was a celebrated concert pianist in her day. Both Mozart and Salieri dedicated piano concertos to her. In later years she founded a musical conservatory for handicapped persons in Vienna. Few of her compositions have survived, and the original of the "Sicilienne" has not come to light. Scholars are divided as to how much (if any) von Paradis actually wrote and how much Samuel Dushkin (1891-1976) was responsible for. In this respect it is comparable to the question of how much of the Albinoni "Adagio for Organ & Strings" Albinoni was responsible and how much was the work of Remo Giazotto.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: Tuba Tune From: prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:32:19 -0400   Does anyone out there know which company published "Tuba Tune" by C. S. Lang? Thanks,   Paul R. Swank The Happily Retired Organist    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuba Tune From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:47:00 -0700       > Does anyone out there know which company published "Tuba Tune" by C. S. > Lang? Thanks, > Cramer Music 23 Garrick Street London, WC2E 9AX   Order Ref: 90100  
(back) Subject: RE: Tuba Tune From: "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@ACADMN.MERCER.EDU> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:48:13 -0400   >Does anyone out there know which company published "Tuba Tune" by C. S. >Lang? Thanks,   If you're in the U.S., it's available from Belwin Mills in the St. = Martin's Organ Series (order # APS 474). They're in Melville, NY 11747.   -Stephen      
(back) Subject: Re: French Casavants From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:10:50 EDT   While I will agree that there are many Anglo/American Casavants from the teens till even the 40's - most of them very wooly and producing not much more than "massive walls of non-discript tone" - there are also some very fine French Casavants. It seems (at least here where I am), if the = organist of the church in question was none to expierenced, the church got a = Casavant hooter. If the organist had studied in Paris, (the organist at my church had studied with Guilmant) the church got something VERY french!   I also agree that stop name doesn't always mean what there - I have played =   at least 3 Skinners (oh no, he's citicizing the organ God!) that had Cor = de Nuits on the choir manual which were nothing more than melodias! (Now how =   could the Great E.M. Skinner have done such a thing?) However - just because you may have seen this on other organs does not mean that they are =   all this way! I have two Hautbois which have nothing sweet or sugary = about them! No lush strings here as well only buzzy french stuff. And for = reeds, Full length or Harmonic here - (we like lots of fire in the postludes!)   Should anyone care to see or play this oddity?!? of a Casavant the OHS Convention will be in Boston next year (2000) - and Southbridge is only a 1hr drive so come on over and see for your self!   Respectfully, The_Maitre     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuba Tune From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:11:20 EDT   In a message dated 8/15/99 10:22:04 AM Central Daylight Time, prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net writes:   << Does anyone out there know which company published "Tuba Tune" by C. S. Lang? Thanks, >>   The Cramer edition is the best. Be sure to short the notes at the end of = the slurs to achieve the desired effect (almost staccato like) and play it at = a brisk tempo (but of course, that must be determined by the accoustics in = your room).   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuba Tune From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:18:25 EDT   In a message dated 8/15/99 2:13:32 PM Central Daylight Time, = DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes:   << Be sure to short the notes at the end of the slurs to achieve the desired effect (almost staccato like) and play it at = a brisk tempo >>   I forgot to add that I'm a self proclaimed expert on English cathedral = music :-)   I love it baybee !   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted) From: William Morton <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:50:58 -0700   At 10:11 AM 8/14/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm on the verge of getting music publishing software ... any comments >on the relative merits of the two programs? I also need a better printer >... don't think I can afford a laser printer ... what's the best of the >bubble-jet lot?   Bud - Sibelius will send you a demo CD for free--just go to their Web site = and ask for it. I was tremendously impressed with its capability after seeing the demo.   As to printers, I recently bought an Epson 850 Inkjet (about $350?) and have been happy with it EXCEPT that it uses expensive cartridges. It has separate monochrome and color cart's, each is about $30. In the last year I've had it I would guess I've been through about 6 or 8 of each type, which mounts up. One other possibility you might consider is to get one of the old workhorse HP Laserjet Series II printers (no color, of course). The Series II is so ubiquitous that it is easily repairable and supplies are still available at any office store. For a cheap rugged printer it is = hard to beat. Used ones should be available between $250 and $300. Cartridges for this one are about $75 but you get several thousand pages per cartridge, as opposed to = several hundred for the inkjets.   < W J Morton wjm@pacbell.net > No trees were harmed by the production of this message; however, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced.  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuba Tune From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:06:35 +0100   If you are going to get this piece, why not invest in Cramer's "The Organist's Wedding Album vol 1" which contains this piece and a lot of = other good wedding pieces with a guide as to when in the service to play them. There is a second volume, but vol 1contains the C.S Land Tuba Tune. In this book things that would work with trumpet also are: JSB - Jesu Joy(?) Charpentier - Te Deum Clarke - Prince of Denmark's March Handel - Hornpipe from Water Music (2 Trumpets) Handel - Minuet from Royal Fireworks C.S. Land - Tuba Tune Purcell - Trumpet Tune in D Stanley - Trumpet Voluntary from Op.6 No.5 Stanley - Trumpet Voluntary from Op.6 No.6 (The assistant at our church played this on the Cliquot at Poitiers cathedral (they wanted English = music) and it sounds beautiful on the brash trumpet of the Positive there)     Hope this helps,   Richard Pinel    
(back) Subject: Re: trumpet & organ From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:29:13 +0100     > Maria Theresia von Paradis's "Sicilienne" is one of my favorite pieces, > but I also have difficulty with imagining it being played on the > trumpet.   I was interested to read this thread, as the Sicilienne is one of the = pieces I have as a Real Audio clip on my web site. Why not check out what it = sounds like in the trumpet and organ arrangement played by my brother and me.   It can be found at www.btinternet.com/~mhammond/tando.htm   Mark Hammond    
(back) Subject: Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted) From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:38:01 -0400   The cost of consumable is probably the same for most Ink Jets. Laser cost = are definitely less. 710 & 712 same printer, different software. The black = cartridge (712) is only half full when you purchase the printer, however it is still = a great value. The big differences in the HP inkjets is speed not quality of print. The 800 series are a lot faster but print quality is the same.   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > Jerry wrote: > > > > There are a lot of laser printers available for 400 & less. They cost = less > > per sheet than bubble jets. If you want color than it's a no brainer, = the > > HP's Cannons and Epson Ink jets all have their merits. My choice in a = low > > cost Windows printer would be the HP 712c available for $150. Hope = that > > helps. > > I have had an HP712C about nine months and it seems very satisfactory. > One local store is currently selling them for $149. I us an HP710 at > work, and quite honestly don't notice the difference. My only criticism > is the high cost of the ink cartridges -- both the black and color > cartridges have had to be replaced (the black one twice) and each time > it is around $35. I don't know how that compares with other brands, > however, which for all I know may be worse. > > John Speller, > St. Mark's, St. Louis. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Finale vs. Sibelius, printers (X-posted) From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:33:13 -0500   John, you might try a refill kit. We bought one for $21.00 and have = already refilled twice. Over half the ink is still left, and the refilling is not difficult to do. Roy   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > Jerry wrote: > > > > There are a lot of laser printers available for 400 & less. They cost = less > > per sheet than bubble jets. If you want color than it's a no brainer, = the > > HP's Cannons and Epson Ink jets all have their merits. My choice in a = low > > cost Windows printer would be the HP 712c available for $150. Hope = that > > helps. > > I have had an HP712C about nine months and it seems very satisfactory. > One local store is currently selling them for $149. I us an HP710 at > work, and quite honestly don't notice the difference. My only criticism > is the high cost of the ink cartridges -- both the black and color > cartridges have had to be replaced (the black one twice) and each time > it is around $35. I don't know how that compares with other brands, > however, which for all I know may be worse. > > John Speller, > St. Mark's, St. Louis. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1027 - 08/13/99 From: "Robert F. Ziegler" <rfziegler@ync.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:40:03 +0000   >Tom White <tomwhite@hamptons.com> wrote: > > A Collegue has requested informaton on > suggestions for an organist instruction book > written in Spanish. > It would need to start at the basic skills > and work up. > Would the members of the list have any > suggestions? > > You may reply privately. > Many long years ago I started out on the Pointer System. Does anyone know = if it's still available?   TIA   -- Bob Ziegler rfziegler@ync.net Playing in the key of "off" in beautiful downtown Sauk Village, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuba Tune From: Chris Ryland <rylandc@kalg.curtin.edu.au> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:29:41 +0800   Hi everyone,   I know that some of you have already replied, and, yes Cramer is the publisher of Lang's Tuba Tune.   I wished to point out that Lang's Tuba Tune is contained in a great compilation of Wedding music, including a clear print (!) of Widor's Toccata, Karg-Elert's Nun Danket, Guilmant's Grand Choeur, Vierne's Finale from Symphonie #1, along with a host of other familiar wedding pieces = (yes, it does have the Bridal Chorus, and the Wedding March as well!).   It is published by Cramer as "The Organist's Wedding Album", compiled and edited by Matthew Drayton. Unfortunately I couldn't find a catalogue = number or ISBN number. At the bottom of each page is J.B.C & Co. Ltd 2129, so = this might be a clue. I bought my copy about 7 years ago for $30 Australian, = and have found it to be invaluable.   Cheers   Chris Ryland Music Lecturer Curtin University Kalgoorlie Campus Western Australia rylandc@kalg.curtin.edu.au   At 11:32 am 15/08/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone out there know which company published "Tuba Tune" by C. S. >Lang? Thanks, > >Paul R. Swank >The Happily Retired Organist > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >