PipeChat Digest #1045 - Saturday, August 28, 1999
 
Guilmant's First Sonata
  by "Mark Quarmby" <markq@flex.com.au>
Re: Church Organ Trader message board
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: the incredible shrinking prelude
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Organ recital at St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Chester County,	Phoenixvil
  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>
Re: The Morality of Music-Playing
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Fox Fans
  by "dave" <dpitzer@sonic.net>
Re: Fox Fans-reply to DPitzers posting.
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: the incredible shrinking prelude
  by "bud or chris" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fox Fans
  by "bud or chris" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fox Fans
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Church Organ Trader Message board
  by "George & Bonny Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net>
Re: OHS  Free standing altars
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: OHS  Free standing altars
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Church Organ Trader Message board
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Church Organ Trader Message board
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Church Organ Trader Message board
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Free standing altars
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Church Organ Trader Message board
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Gabriel Piern ......3 peiices Op 29
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Free standing altars
  by <rusczyk@ix.netcom.com>
Re: Free standing altars
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Free standing altars
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Free standing altars
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
 


(back) Subject: Guilmant's First Sonata From: Mark Quarmby <markq@flex.com.au> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:33 +1000   It really depends on the strength of the 32/s. Every organ will be different. Remember that Guilmant's organ at La Trinit=E9 only had a Soubasse 32'. (I do have a photocopy of a letter written by Messiaen requesting funds for the addition of a 32' Contra Bombarde which has never happened). I find I can always get away with using a Sub Bourdon 32 in those passages. Most reeds would be too much and would be better added later as you suggested.   Mark,   Sydney        
(back) Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader message board From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:39:55 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/99 1:54:35 AM Central Daylight Time, = GRSCoLVR@aol.com writes:   << << http:www.tunertech.com/msgboard.html. >> Morning everybody---I still cannot locate the Church Organ bulletin board =   site,,for me,,the above address returns to "keyword not found" and the former address returns to a High School in Florida just as Jan Vanderstad found. Anyone have any ideas???? Cheers, ---Roc >>   ROC, MAKE SURE YOU REMOVE THE PERIOD AFTER HTML IN THE EMAIL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Re: the incredible shrinking prelude From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:44:51 -0400   Paul.   Just re-read your post of June 6 to PipeChat. Want to take exception to your "processional hymn where it belong[s], at the beginning."   Well, yes. Generally, anyway. But "at the beginning" of WHAT? That = little confessional rite that is so commonly used in Lutheran churches in this country (but I think less often than 20 years ago) is NOT part of the eucharistic liturgy. It's the old Saturday-confession or Saturday-announce-for-communion thing of generations ago, just stuck into Sunday morning AHEAD OF (without becoming a part of) the mass.   The logic would be clearer if, when we DO want to use that little rite, = we'd precede it by nothing, and then follow it with silence for, say 3 or 4 = solid minutes, then (bring up the lights and ) play the prelude and processional hymn.   How would that seem to you?   Alan ---------- >From: prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net   > It was listed that way in the > Missouri Synod hymnal, but the church where I played did their own = revision and > had the processional hymn where it belonged, at the beginning. The = writers of > the hymnals, again in my opinion, have done some dreadful things = recently, even > though they have added some excellent new hymns.  
(back) Subject: Organ recital at St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Chester County, Phoenixville, PA From: Gamelpt@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:15:58 EDT   ORGAN RECITAL AT ST. PETER'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH 143 CHURCH STREET, (CHESTER COUNTY) PHOENIXVILLE, PA 19460-0554 TELEPHONE: (610) 933-2195 SUNDAY, AUGUST 29, 1999 5:00PM (FREEWILL OFFERING) RECEPTION FOLLOWING THE RECITAL PAUL JACOBS, ORGANIST WILL PLAY AN ALL BACH PROGRAM ON THE II/ 30 AUSTIN ORGAN. PAUL JACOBS BEGAN STUDYING THE PIANO AT AGE SIX AND THE ORGAN AT AGE 13 = UNDER GEORGE RAU. AT AGE 15, HE WAS APPOINTED HEAD ORGANIST TO THE CHURCH OF = THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, A PARISH OF OVER 3,500 FAMILIES IN WASHINGTON, PA. =   HIS DUTIES INCLUDED PLAYING OVER SIXTY WEDDINGS A YEAR, FIVE SERVICES EACH =   WEEKEND, AND FUNERALS, DEVOTIONAL SERVICES AND CHOIR REHEARSALS DURING THE =   WEEK. AT AGE 18, JACOBS WAS ACCEPTED ON A FULL SCHOLARSHIP TO THE CURTIS INSTITUTE OF MUSIC IN PHILADELPHIA, PA, STUDYING ORGAN UNDER JOHN WEAVER = AND HARPSICHORD UNDER LIONEL PARTY. HE IS ALSO ASSISTANT ORGANIST AT THE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL CHAPEL, THE NATIONAL SHRINE IN VALLEY FORGE, PA. JACOBS HAS TAKEN FIRST PLACE HONORS AT A NUMBER OF PRESTIGIOUS ORGAN COMPETITIONS, INCLUDING THE 1996 NATIONAL SOCIETY OF ARTS AND LETTERS = ORGAN COMPETITION IN WASHINGTON, DC.; THE 1998 VIOLETTE CASSEL ORGAN COMPETITION = IN HARRISBURG, PA; THE ALBERT SCHWEITZER NATIONAL ORGAN COMPETITION IN WETHERSFIELD, CONN.; AND THE 1999 FORT WAYNE NATIONAL ORGAN COMPETITION IN =   FORT WAYNE, IND. HE HAS MEMORIZED THE COMPLETE WORKS OF BRAHMS, FRANK AND =   DURUFLE, AS WELL AS SEVERAL MAJOR WORKS OF MESSIAEN, AND WILL PERFORM THE COMPLETE ORGAN WORKS OF BACH IN PHILADELPHIA AND NEW YORK STARTING IN = JANUARY 2000.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Morality of Music-Playing From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:04:45 -0400   >From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>   > We don't need to give up on our musical morals nor de we need to become > musical whores playing 'what ever they ask for'. We do however have a > responsibility dictated by our positions to provide musical, spiritual = and > thought provoking music to our congregations.   Erik:   I'm catching up on old mail (from over a month ago), and I'm glad, because you say good stuff, and you say it right well.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Fox Fans From: dave <dpitzer@sonic.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:09:27 -0700   A Fox fan wrote: I have seen Fox play this [Perpetuum Mobile] several times and still can't =   believe it. Next, I was waiting to hear him play Widor's Toccata from the 5th Symphony, but play the right hand parts on the pedal !!!!!) This -- if a serious statement -- is typical, in my experience, of Fox worshipers. And what's worse, Fox would have indeed played the Widor this way if he could -- and his technical prowess was immense. In fact that, in =   my opinion, was his fault as well; he would play something (such as BWV 565, the Toccata and Fugue in d) as fast as his fingers would allow, which =   was very fast indeed. To him the piece was a race against time. He viewed music as a means to display his technical abilities.   Fox was not so much a musician as a showman and he was unequaled in this regard. But his tempi and registrations were grotesque by any serious current standard. He never let good taste stand in the way of a = performance that made him look (if not sound) good. It is somewhat discouraging for me =   to see him so revered by the [presumably] "younger" folks.   Dave Pitzer        
(back) Subject: Re: Fox Fans-reply to DPitzers posting. From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:14:49 EDT   Dave----and list: Why not revere Fox? He always filled his venues, at least any of those = that I got to. The man could play the fingers off of any other organist that I = had heard, at that time in history. IMHO, of course!! And his tempi and grotesque registrations? Who sets the standards? Odd? strange person? = ---Yep you bet,,but when does every organist, concert or otherwise, have to fit a =   nicely tailored cubicle? Methinks that the world did not "set its watch" = by the word "correct" in Virgil's heyday. I once was invited to dinner at = his home,,and was served hot dogs and baked beans. The table discussion = centered around his registrations of the Wanamaker Organ for Come Sweet Death, and = the how and why that went along with it, the hot dogs and baked beans were of = no concern at all,but the convo that went with them will never be forgotten. Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: the incredible shrinking prelude From: "bud or chris" <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:24:20 -0700   Or, better yet, restore the Saturday communal or private celebration of = the Sacrament of Penance (lopsided grin).   Bud   ---------- > From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: the incredible shrinking prelude > Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:44 AM > > Paul. > > Just re-read your post of June 6 to PipeChat. Want to take exception to > your "processional hymn where it belong[s], at the beginning." > > Well, yes. Generally, anyway. But "at the beginning" of WHAT? That little > confessional rite that is so commonly used in Lutheran churches in this > country (but I think less often than 20 years ago) is NOT part of the > eucharistic liturgy. It's the old Saturday-confession or > Saturday-announce-for-communion thing of generations ago, just stuck = into > Sunday morning AHEAD OF (without becoming a part of) the mass. > > The logic would be clearer if, when we DO want to use that little rite, we'd > precede it by nothing, and then follow it with silence for, say 3 or 4 solid > minutes, then (bring up the lights and ) play the prelude and processional > hymn. > > How would that seem to you? > > Alan > ---------- > >From: prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net > > > It was listed that way in the > > Missouri Synod hymnal, but the church where I played did their own revision > and > > had the processional hymn where it belonged, at the beginning. The writers of > > the hymnals, again in my opinion, have done some dreadful things recently, > even > > though they have added some excellent new hymns. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox Fans From: "bud or chris" <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:26 -0700   Fox dedicated the new organ at Cincinnati Conservatory (the Balcom & Vaughn, not the Harrison) ... he was a friend of the donors ... Wayne Fisher's students were enthralled; Dr. Gary's students went to dinner beforehand and got their attitudes properly adjusted (Lenhardt's served KILLER drinks) ... WE had a GREAT time ... the man's technique was = AWESOME; David Mulbury's students all wore black and disapprovingly sat on their hands through the whole performance.   Fox didn't do anything the earlier generation of organists (Edwin Arthur Kraft, etc.) hadn't already done to Bach (look at Kraft's registrations in his book of Bach chorale preludes); he just did it better and faster. And he probably did more than anybody (with the possible exception of Biggs) = to POPULARIZE the organ, something we're SORELY in need of in these days of MIDI, synthesizers, praise bands, etc.   I'm sorry he died before I had a chance to study with him.   Cheers,   Bud   ---------- > From: dave <dpitzer@sonic.net> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Fox Fans > Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:09 PM > > A Fox fan wrote: > I have seen Fox play this [Perpetuum Mobile] several times and still can't > believe it. > Next, I was waiting to hear him play Widor's Toccata from the 5th > Symphony, but play the right hand parts on the pedal !!!!!) > This -- if a serious statement -- is typical, in my experience, of Fox > worshipers. And what's worse, Fox would have indeed played the Widor = this   > way if he could -- and his technical prowess was immense. In fact that, in > my opinion, was his fault as well; he would play something (such as BWV > 565, the Toccata and Fugue in d) as fast as his fingers would allow, which > was very fast indeed. To him the piece was a race against time. He = viewed   > music as a means to display his technical abilities. > > Fox was not so much a musician as a showman and he was unequaled in this =   > regard. But his tempi and registrations were grotesque by any serious > current standard. He never let good taste stand in the way of a performance > that made him look (if not sound) good. It is somewhat discouraging for me > to see him so revered by the [presumably] "younger" folks. > > Dave Pitzer > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox Fans From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:12:11 -0500   It is somewhat discouraging for me >to see him so revered by the [presumably] "younger" folks. > >Dave Pitzer   Yes, they were younger folks, I was among them.   Of course it's more "encouraging" that other more correct organists can't manage to attract any large quantity of young folk at all; leave alone = have them stand up and cheer or dance in the aisles.   (Sorry, had to get that off my chest - now I'll sit in my flame proof bunker and listen to "Come Sweet Death")   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader Message board From: George & Bonny Jenista <hiplain@flash.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:14:26 -0500   Aha! Here's the problem!! The correct URL for the Church Organ Trader Message board is http://tunertech.com/msgboard.html If you put a "www." prefix in front of "tunertech" like so: http://www.tunertech.com, you go to Turner Technical High School.   So, lose the "www." to get to the right place!!!  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Free standing altars From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:31:25 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/99 9:55:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = Wald2ft@aol.com writes:   << I, too, just returned from Montreal and concur with Scott's reactions = for the most part. However, I believe that all ROMAN Catholic Churches did = have free standing altars. (This I believe was mandated in Vatican II.) >>     I didn't say that there weren't free standing altars, in fact if we read = back we will see the term "salad bar" that I used intentionally. I said that = in some churches the priest again FACES the high altar, in the same direction = as the congregation.   Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Free standing altars From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:35:55 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/99 12:20:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JimGroark@aol.com writes:   << > It was in the Anglican and Anglo Catholic Churches that we saw > the altars in the traditional position. Someone correct me if I am wrong. AND in the Roman Churches as well- but they had free standing altars in = FRONT of and BLOCKING the truly beautiful high altars regretabbly.       Isn't Scott Roman Catholic? I would think that a Catholic with his presumed knowledge of the Church in general, and liturgy in paticular, would know the denomination of churches they were visiting.   Of course I am Roman Catholic, born, baptized, confirmed and raised. And = yes I am VERY up to date on the Vatican II documents, somtimes I think TOO = much so. That DOES NOT mean that I have to agree with them lock, stock and = barrel.   Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader Message board From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:53:53 -0700   At 04:14 PM 8/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Aha! Here's the problem!! The correct URL for the Church Organ Trader >Message board is http://tunertech.com/msgboard.html >If you put a "www." prefix in front of "tunertech" like so: >http://www.tunertech.com, you go to Turner Technical High School. > >So, lose the "www." to get to the right place!!!   Not from here, it don't. I still get the high school. What's a school doing in a commercial domain, anyway? I thought they were supposed to be ..edu. I tried to drop a line to their "webmaster", but it got bounced! When kids get ahold of powerful toys....   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader Message board From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:12:43 -0400   I tried the URL as follows:   http://tunertech.com/msgboard.html   It works fine for me!   What an interesting board, organs of all types are there for sale, - it makes one almost salivate with desire!   Bob Conway.   At 02:53 PM 8/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:14 PM 8/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>Aha! Here's the problem!! The correct URL for the Church Organ Trader >>Message board is http://tunertech.com/msgboard.html >>If you put a "www." prefix in front of "tunertech" like so: >>http://www.tunertech.com, you go to Turner Technical High School. >> >>So, lose the "www." to get to the right place!!! > >Not from here, it don't. I still get the high school. What's a school >doing in a commercial domain, anyway? I thought they were supposed to be >.edu. I tried to drop a line to their "webmaster", but it got bounced! >When kids get ahold of powerful toys.... > >DeserTBoB > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader Message board From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:29:47 -0400   Here I thought it was a matter of losing the "r" in "Turner" to get to "tuner"!   Alan   ---------- >From: George & Bonny Jenista <hiplain@flash.net> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader Message board >Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999, 5:14 PM >   > So, lose the "www." to get to the right place!!!  
(back) Subject: Re: Free standing altars From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:34:16 -0400   >From: ScottFop@aol.com >Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999, 5:31 PM   > free standing altars. (This I believe was mandated in Vatican II.)   Well, actually it was mandated (well, gently; "suggested") by Martin = Luther in his "Deutsche Messe" of 1524 (1526?). But then he said, "But that can wait its time."   And it did. Neither the Lutherans nor the Romans listened to him until = the late 1950s, as I recall. I saw my first one in 1957 in Minneapolis. Anybody got an earlier citation on them (in Lutheranism, Romanism, or Anglicanism?).   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Organ Trader Message board From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:24 EDT   Thanks for the latest correction for the Church Organ Trader Board,,it = worked fine for me dropping the WWW. ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Gabriel Pierné......3 peiices Op 29 From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:11:46 EDT   Carlo -   I think you might find that if you start the prelude on just the 8's and = 4's and gradually build up to full plenum and reeds over the duration of the = pice you will give a much more hair-raising effect.   My favourite of the 3 peices is the Cantelene. A nice Clarinet or Cor = Anglais playing the melody agains some nic e celesting strings. Especially nice = with the 4' Flute Harmonique behind the Cor Anglais with a artistically = regulated tremulant.   The Scherzando (a quasi fugue ala french style) is a real challenge for = me, but I love the juxtaposition of the rapid fugal theme with the center section, again played on a nice string chorus with a Vox humana (soft and artistically tremmed) and some nice solo flute stops or small solo reeds.   hope you have fun with them.   Rick Maryman Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Free standing altars From: rusczyk@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:25:12 -0500 (CDT)   Actually, Central Lutheran Church in Portland, OR has a free standing alter in the "high alter" position. The building was designed by Pietro Beluschi (sp?) and built in 1950. The building is amazingly modern and "current" in design by today's standards. The first time I saw the building I was sure it had been built in the mid 80's.   Bob......in Vancouver, USA     On 08/27/99 18:34:16 you wrote: > >>From: ScottFop@aol.com >>Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999, 5:31 PM > >> free standing altars. (This I believe was mandated in Vatican II.) > >Well, actually it was mandated (well, gently; "suggested") by Martin = Luther >in his "Deutsche Messe" of 1524 (1526?). But then he said, "But that can >wait its time." > >And it did. Neither the Lutherans nor the Romans listened to him until = the >late 1950s, as I recall. I saw my first one in 1957 in Minneapolis. >Anybody got an earlier citation on them (in Lutheranism, Romanism, or >Anglicanism?). > >Alan > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Free standing altars From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:47:46 EDT   In a message dated 99-08-27 18:35:51 EDT, you write:   << Anybody got an earlier citation on them (in Lutheranism, Romanism, or Anglicanism?). >> Possibly Corpus Christi on the Upper West Side near Riverside and = Columbia? Seem to recall something to that effect years ago when I was living on LI.  
(back) Subject: Re: Free standing altars From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:46:15 EDT   Hi Bob, I don;t remember Central Lutheran as being so contemporary...? of = course, I am aging... How is Milt doing since the closing? I was really sorry I couldn't be = there, but I had to keep time for the Aspen finishing done last month. I will = surely miss that most svelte of WurliTzers; not the least because it was the = final program of the duo befpre Gerry's end. Hope Milt and all have the best; sorry paradise was lost to a Rite = Aid..... pax and love, Kurt  
(back) Subject: Re: Free standing altars From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:43:25 -0700   Actually Corpus Christi Church had a lovely Georgian attached high altar = and reredos with sterling silver appointments.   BTW ... all altars are supposed to be "free-standing" so the MC and the = servers can pass behind it for various practical reasons, particularly to light = the candles from the back side so as not to drip wax on the Fair Linen, but = also for arranging flowers, changing the candles, tabernacle veil, etc.   Chapel of the Resurrection (Episcopal) at Florida State University in Tallahassee had a free-standing altar in the late '50s ... the = processional cross and torches were carried in and used as the altar cross and lights, = and I THINK they celebrated facing the people, but I'm not sure.   Cheers,   Bud   DudelK@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 99-08-27 18:35:51 EDT, you write: > > << Anybody got an earlier citation on them (in Lutheranism, Romanism, or > Anglicanism?). > >> > Possibly Corpus Christi on the Upper West Side near Riverside and = Columbia? > Seem to recall something to that effect years ago when I was living on = LI. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org