PipeChat Digest #1184 - Tuesday, December 7, 1999
 
Re: Top 10 Lists
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Top 10 Lists
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
PipeChat IRC tonight.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: PipeChat IRC tonight.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: PipeChat IRC tonight.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: PipeChat IRC tonight.
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: The 20th Century's Top Ten...
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Top 10 Lists
  by "Jill Schultheis" <nachthorn@hotmail.com>
Re: Top 10 Lists
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Top 10 Lists
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Top 10 Lists (long)
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Top 10 Lists
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
influential instruments
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: influential instruments
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: influential instruments
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:08:54 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists   > Just about ANY Johnson ... has anyone heard the one in St. Mary's, New > Haven CT (transplanted from St. Alphonsus, NYC)?   Yeah, I -think- so. Is that the one with Barkers and the pipes look like pencils? I actually got to play that one once. Sue Armstrong, my then teacher took = us on the way back from a POE.   Hey...why didn't anyone mention Barkers???   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 07:30:19 -0800   If it is, I'm almost sure it was re-trackerized when it was moved to New = Haven .... what I mostly remember about the case was the angels perched on the = top.   Cheers,   Bud   Rebekah Ingram wrote:   > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bud <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists > > > Just about ANY Johnson ... has anyone heard the one in St. Mary's, New > > Haven CT (transplanted from St. Alphonsus, NYC)? > > Yeah, I -think- so. Is that the one with Barkers and the pipes look like > pencils? > I actually got to play that one once. Sue Armstrong, my then teacher = took us > on > the way back from a POE. > > Hey...why didn't anyone mention Barkers??? > > -Rebekah > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC tonight. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:06:55 -0500   Pipechat-l members are always welcome to join us every Monday and Friday evenings, from 9.00 EST. We always like to meet our fellow listers, and the Chat = is a good place to do so.   If you need help in getting on IRC follow the instructions on the Pipechat Web page:   http://www.pipechat.org   It is easy enough to join in once you have read how you do it!   Due to my Server, having problems, I may not be able to be on myself for long. The Server only seems to be allowing us to be on-line for short periods, from about 10 minutes up to as long as 30 minutes. That's the price of having a free Server! Of course, I am hoping that they will fix it before this evening, for it has been doing this allover the weekend, - the "fixers" were probably not in for that = time!   Have fun!   Bob Conway ... "I am easily satisfied with the very best." Sir Winston Churchill.      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat IRC tonight. From: "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:32:41 -0500 (EST)   Can I get to the PipeChat IRC thru Hotmail? I cannot get there thru WebTv, no matter how hard I try.   If not, you all have a splendid evening chatting and I'll be there in spirit.   Peace, Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat IRC tonight. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:47:36 -0500   At 01:32 PM 1999-12-06 -0500, Neil Brown wrote: >Can I get to the PipeChat IRC thru Hotmail? I cannot get there thru >WebTv, no matter how hard I try. > >If not, you all have a splendid evening chatting and I'll be there in >spirit. > >Peace, Neil   Neil,   I don't think that you can use Hotmail fro anything other than e-mail. I have asked David Scribner, our "guru" in such matters if he will confirm = this.   Can you get to the PipeChat Web page? If you can, it is possible to get onto our Server as a guest, but it is almighty S-L-O-W!   Keep on trying!   Bob Conway  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat IRC tonight. From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:59:44 -0600   >At 01:32 PM 1999-12-06 -0500, Neil Brown wrote: > >Can I get to the PipeChat IRC thru Hotmail? I cannot get there thru > >WebTv, no matter how hard I try. > > > >If not, you all have a splendid evening chatting and I'll be there in > >spirit. > > > >Peace, Neil > >Neil, > >I don't think that you can use Hotmail fro anything other than e-mail. I >have asked David Scribner, our "guru" in such matters if he will confirm = this. > >Can you get to the PipeChat Web page? If you can, it is possible to get >onto our Server as a guest, but it is almighty S-L-O-W! > >Keep on trying! > >Bob Conway   Neil   Al long as you have a web browser that is Java-enabled you should be able to join us on PipeChat IRC. Point your web browser at: http://irc.pipechat.org:8080 (The :8080 is VERY important in this address)   I don't know enough about WebTV or Hotmail to be able to give a definitive answer if you can do it via those or now. Actually, i thought Hotmail was just for sending and receiving email. But do give it a try. I will be monitoring my email (mailto:david@blackiris.com) during the IRC session this evening so if you run into a problem please email me and I will get backt o you right away to try and help you join in.   David   **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: The 20th Century's Top Ten... From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:04:09 EST   My list of events - opinions only: 1. 1930's development-introduction of electric-electronic organs 2. 1971 introduction of digital organ (Allen) 3. Skinner Organs 4. American Classic Organs 5. Listening Technology (Phono Record, Hi-Fi, Stereo, Cassette, CD, = Radio-TV) 6. Mechanical action, Musicologists, and the "baroque" craze 7. The counter-"Baroque" craze 1980-90's 8. Contemporary Worship styles 9. Theatre Organs 10. Decline of Main-line churches. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists From: "Jill Schultheis" <nachthorn@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:51:27 EST   What about WurliTzer on the organ builder list? But I'll agree Skinner's = #1! Amen to the Wanamakers and the AC organ on the list. I played the = Wanamakers this summer(well... just played a bit on a string stop... store hours!), = and I've played the 2 Atlantic City convention hall organs twice. What a = monster that is! And on what you said about "What has improved?". Well, just look = at #1 on your list of inovations. We don't need a bunch of choir boys pumping =   the blowers anymore. But, really, not much has changed besides technology and little convieniances.   JiLL Schultheis         ----Original Message Follows---- From: Prestant16@aol.com Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:53:59 EST   What about the top 10 innnovation with the pipe organ? Or the 10 most infuental oragnbuilders? Here are my picks, in order of importance:   1. Electric organ blower 2. Electro-pnumatic action 3. Using plywood chest tables 4. All electric action 5. Solid state technology 6. Haskell Pipes 7. Skinner Regulators 8. Zinc pipes 9. Adjustable combination action 10. Supply companies! and coming in at.................. 9,993,456,332: PERFLEX (right before MIDI)     Organbuilders:   1. E. M. Skinner 2. G. Donald Harisson 3. Charles B. Fisk 4. Hope-Jones 5. Henry Willis 6. Elias and George G. Hook 7. Walter Holtkamp 8. Frank Hastings 9. (Modern builders) Hans-Erik and Peter Laukhuff 10. ?   Here are some picks for the most influental and important insturments:   1. Walker organ at Methuen Memorial Music Hall, Methuen, MA 2. Cavialle-Coll at Notre Dame 3. Fisk at Wellsley College, MA. The first modern tracker built in that style. 4. ? 5. ? 6. Aeolian-Skinner opus 940 at Church of the Advent, Boston, MA. (an early "American Classic") The original A-S instrurment that was at the Germanic Musiem in Cambrige, = MA 7. ? 8. ? 9. Wanamaker 10. Midmer Losh in Atlantic City (the big one!)     When you think about it, what has really improved? Not much, we just have different ways of building organs.   -William C.         ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:04:07 -0500   Who? Did someone mention BOB Barker(s)?? Is he an organist??   :-)   BB Derby   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse orge@dreamscape.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebekah Ingram <rringram@syr.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists     > > Hey...why didn't anyone mention Barkers??? > > -Rebekah > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:19:44 -0500   Bud wrote:   > Just about ANY Johnson ... has anyone heard the one in St. Mary's, New > Haven CT (transplanted from St. Alphonsus, NYC)? >   I believe that the St. Mary's organ is an E. & G.G. Hook (1871) - transplanted from St. Alphonsus Church in New York City. This organ also was saved from a fire not to long ago.   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse (1927 E.M. Skinner) orge@dreamscape.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists (long) From: <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:16:44 EST     I'm in a mood to play devil's advocate (evil grin) ... Prestant16@aol.com wrote: > What about the top 10 innnovation with the pipe organ? Or the 10 most > infuental oragnbuilders? Here are my picks, in order of importance: > > 1. Electric organ blower destroyed the natural flexibility of manually-raised wind ...   I agree that it is completely different from having a manually winded = organ, but it is an innovation that stuck, and can provide a more stable wind = system. > > 2. Electro-pnumatic action made possible all SORTS of abuses,   But still, an innovation that is still used, although because of air polution, leather will last 40 years, max.   > > 3. Using plywood chest tables EEEKKK!!!   I'm confused.... This is the best change in organ technology ever! No splitting, cracking, no runs, and will last a long time. Even = historically significant insturments should have their tables replaced (in nessisary) = with plywood, not solid wood. I'm talking high grade voidless plywood. > > 4. All electric action for what, the doorbell? Have you ever PLAYED an early Wicks? (grin) I too, dislike all electric action, but look at the system, I hate to say = it, but I've seen an early Wicks and it worked fine. Not much leather to rot!   > > 5. Solid state technology Maybe ... the jury's still out on that one ... I wonder how many = solid-state combination actions are Y2K-compliant ... I KNOW my Hammond/Suzuki isn't (thank the Powers that Be for LARGE favours!)   That's all we need, Turn on the organ in the year 2000 and no combo action!!!!! How can we as organists function? :) > > 6. Haskell Pipes Definitely! > > 7. Skinner Regulators OK > > 8. Zinc pipes naaaa... A cheap alternative to using expensive tin or very heavy spotted = metal.   > > 9. Adjustable combination action hmmm ... I regularly played a large three-manual organ WITHOUT one in a = large Anglo-Catholic church with a TERMINALLY complicated service ... again, = most of the music we play was WRITTEN for organs with very few (or no) registrational =   aids. A small to medium-size church organ can do just fine with a couple of adjustable mechanical "machine stops" and/or ventils. > > 10. Supply companies! Depends ... SOME organ-supply stuff is best burnt ... the European pipe-makers, on the other hand, are decent. > > and coming in at.................. > 9,993,456,332: PERFLEX (right before MIDI) Yep ... got THAT right. > > > Organbuilders: > > 1. E. M. Skinner > 2. G. Donald Harrison > 3. Charles B. Fisk > 4. Hope-Jones > 5. Henry Willis > 6. Elias and George G. Hook > 7. Walter Holtkamp > 8. Frank Hastings > 9. (Modern builders) Hans-Erik and Peter Laukhuff > 10. ? No argument there, except maybe Hope-Jones (but without him we wouldn't = have had the Mighty Wurlitzer, which IS an instrument with a repertoire) I'd add the best of Kilgen, Kimball, Welte, and the big Aeolians like the =   front organ at Duke University ... and there are some FINE Mitchell Austins = from the teens ... Koehnken & Grimm, Matthias Schwab, and the rest of the = regional 19th century builders, etc. ... and don't forget Tannenberg in the 18th (? I'm =   tired and it's late). Actually, when you talk about modern tracker builders, you really need to = do the whole family tree that descends from John Brombaugh, and all the builders = and organists that were "converted" by the Harvard Flentrop and the big Beckerath in Trinity Lutheran in Cleveland. > Here are some picks for the most influental and important insturments: > > 1. Walcker organ at Methuen Memorial Music Hall, Methuen, MA But it didn't REALLY have any LASTING effect on the direction of American organ-building ... it's sort of an isolated phenomenon, like the = Steinmeyer in Altoona, Pennsylvania.   Look at the Mormon Tabernacle organ. It's an early imported insturment = that showed early American organbuilders what was happening in Europe at the = time.   > 2. Cavaille-Coll at Notre Dame ??? Don't know about that ... I'd say Roosevelt's importing of C-C REEDS = had more effect. > 3. Fisk at Wellsley College, MA. The first modern tracker built in that =   style. 'K > > 4. ? > 5. ? > 6. Aeolian-Skinner opus 940 at Church of the Advent, Boston, MA. (an = early > "American Classic") There are LOTS of THOSE to choose from ... St. Mary the Virgin as = Harrison left it, Trinity, New Haven, Epiphany, DC, etc.   Well, Op 940 has what Harrison wanted as a perfect Principal Chorus. = There were many replacement ranks made when the organ was installed, just to get = it right. > > The original A-S instrument that was at the Germanic Museum in = Cambrige, MA Yep ... and Walter Holtkamp's rueckpositiv that he added to the Skinner = in Cleveland Art Museum > > 7. ? > 8. ? > 9. Wanamaker > 10. Midmer Losh in Atlantic City (the big one!) Other than the fact that they EXIST, how much did they really influence American organ-building? Well, now organbuiders are smart enough not to build organ that big!!!   > When you think about it, what has really improved? Not much, we just = have > different ways of building organs.   -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists From: <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:18:31 EST   In a message dated 12/6/99 12:55:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << -Moller at West Point -Mander/Skinner at Princeton Univ Chapel -Schantz at Newark Sacred Heart -Schantz at First United Meth-Toms River, NJ -(Ok, it's not a large installation, but it is the best organ in the county, by all accounts). Felix Hell likes it, that's good enough for me. Of course, I'm not biased at all on this one. 8-)   I'd have to argue with the above. So far I think the greatest organ in = the US is at Immac. Conception Boston, MA, 1864 Hook.   -Johnson (?) at St. Stanislaw (?) in Buffalo, what an incredible sound. -Taylor/Boody at Holy Cross College, Worcester. >> Can't argue with the Taylor & Boody  
(back) Subject: influential instruments From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:35:58 -0800       Prestant16@aol.com wrote:   > Look at the Mormon Tabernacle organ. It's an early imported insturment = that > showed early American organbuilders what was happening in Europe at the = time. > > >   Now I'M confused ... the ORIGINAL Tabernacle organ, as far as I remember, = was either built in situ by local Morman craftsman, or hauled across the = plains in handcarts from Navoo ... the round wooden facade pipes are from either the original organ, or an early rebuild ... they were devised because of the = lack of metal, as I recall. What I DON'T recall being mentioned ANYWHERE is an = IMPORTED organ in the Tabernacle at any time. The most recent rebuild, of course, = was by Schoenstein of San Francisco; the GHD Skinner preceded that; a Kimball = preceded that; then my memory fails me. It would be VERY uncharacteristic of the = Mormons to have selected a foreign builder, being so accustomed to doing everything = for themselves early on.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: influential instruments From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:05:48 -0500   In regards to The Mormon organ, Kimball being last listed as rebuilders -I believe Austin was in there too somewhere. Yes, the origional instrument was ox-carted to Utah from the east -ohhh, those poor oxen!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: influential instruments From: <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:06:21 EST   In a message dated 12/6/99 11:41:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << > Look at the Mormon Tabernacle organ. It's an early imported = insturment that > showed early American organbuilders what was happening in Europe at the =   time. > > >>     Sorry, badly worded. I wanted to point out the visual aspect of the organ. = Look firmiliar? It's also interesting to note the 32' towers are wood pipes! I meant that the Methuen organ is an early imported insturment = that showed early American organbuilders what was happening in Europe at the = time