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American organist visits London
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(back) Subject: American organist visits London From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:23:35 EST   Dear UK list members,   I will be in London from 27 Dec. -- 5 Jan. I would like to hear, see, and =   play some organs while there. Also, if anyone knows of any Christmas concerts/oratorios/etc.... which will be performed during that time please =   let me know.   Any help is appreciated!   John Gambill Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: The pneumatic question From: "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:48:01 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01BF460F.EDADB020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Today, whilst seated at my console listening to the lush sounds surging = =3D into the stained art glass twilight mists of the gothic nave of my =3D church, I began to think about a most serious void in the tonal spectrum = =3D of my noble instrument. A void so critical to the hushed masses in the = =3D pews, so striking in their absence, that immediate action will doubtless = =3D be demanded by all right thinking souls. The chimes have retired from =3D active service due to the burden of the years of toil and deterioration = =3D thereby.   The old pneumatic action striker pneumatics will have to be recovered. = =3D This action operated on blower pressure of about 10 inches. Since this = =3D is a fairly high pressure, would rubber cloth such as Schaff Piano =3D Supply # 652 (thinner) or # 667 (really rather heavy), or the =3D "Percussion pneumatic leather as sold by Mclelands Leather House be more = =3D suitable for these pressures? The striker pneumatics have tiny ribs of = =3D cardboard inside of them. Would Columbia Organ Leathers have anything =3D more suitable?   The pneumatics are restrained by banding that limits their travel. What = =3D would be a material for this purpose, and where might it be obtained?   Any thoughtful suggestions humbly received,   Richard Weber   Milwaukee   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01BF460F.EDADB020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Today, whilst seated at my console listening to the = =3D lush=3D20 sounds surging into the stained art glass twilight mists of the gothic =3D nave of=3D20 my church, I began to think about a most serious void in the tonal =3D spectrum of=3D20 my noble instrument.&nbsp; A void so critical to the hushed masses in =3D the pews,=3D20 so striking in their absence, that immediate action will doubtless be =3D demanded=3D20 by all right thinking souls.&nbsp; The chimes have retired from active =3D service=3D20 due to the burden of the years of toil and deterioration =3D thereby.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The old pneumatic action striker pneumatics will =3D have to be=3D20 recovered.&nbsp; This action operated on blower pressure of about 10=3D20 inches.&nbsp; Since this is a fairly high pressure, would rubber cloth =3D such as=3D20 Schaff Piano Supply # 652 (thinner) or # 667 (really rather heavy), or =3D the=3D20 "Percussion pneumatic leather as sold by Mclelands Leather House be more = =3D   suitable for these pressures?&nbsp; The striker pneumatics have tiny =3D ribs of=3D20 cardboard inside of them.&nbsp; Would Columbia Organ Leathers have =3D anything more=3D20 suitable?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The pneumatics are restrained by banding that limits = =3D their=3D20 travel.&nbsp; What would be a material for this purpose, and where might = =3D it be=3D20 obtained?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Any thoughtful suggestions humbly =3D received,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Richard Weber</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Milwaukee</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01BF460F.EDADB020--    
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:52:07 -0500   > From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com > > London from 27 Dec. -- 5 Jan.   John:   Check out St. Anne's Church, Gresham Street, in what I understand is the very heart of the City. It's Lutheran, though the building was originally Anglican. Pastor Schmiege, actually an ELCA guy, has what I understand to be a fantastic series of musical events of all kinds. And if there are events (and of course there are!) beyond what they are offering, I'm sure they can steer you to the best.   I'd be more than happy to hear any report to have on your travels!   Alan Freed, St. Luke's Church, Manhattan   P.S.: Do greet Pastor Schmiege from Pastor Hansen and me; we've both met him when he's visited New York on an occasion or two.    
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:00:10 -0500   A recommendation from the "gutter" end of the organ spectrum while you're = in England.   Check out "The Fair Organ Preservation Society" if you might be interested in carousel organs.   They are quite active over across the pond.   There are also several cinemas that still have their WurliTzers, = Christies, and Comptons.   Above all, have a safe and musical trip abroad, and don't worry about Y2K and computerized planes!   Rick          
(back) Subject: Re: The pneumatic question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:04:00 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01CDD9F3.1A19EF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Rickard... I've always used a medium-grade leather on chime actions =3D I've recovered.   Columbia Leather in PA. and McLelands in South Bend, IN. are two =3D excellent suppliers.   Have you ever considered adding a nice wooden-bar harp to your =3D instrument? 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(back) Subject: St Anne's, Gresham St (was: American organist visits London) From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:12:32 GMT   Interesting that you should mention St Anne's [actually St. Anne & St. Agnes], because I used to sing there in the late 1980s, when Ron Englund was pastor. There was an open-to-all volunteer choir that used to rehearse for a couple of hours on Sunday afternoon before singing Lutheran Choral Vespers. On the third Sunday of the month, there was Bach Vespers; and Jazz Vespers was held from time to time.   I don't know what services they hold there now, but The Daily Telegraph on a Saturday lists Sunday services at various cathedrals and other churches, including, I believe, St Anne's.       Mark Harris =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:18:07 -0000   Will you be travelling around atall? I live about 1.25hrs North of London.    
(back) Subject: American organist visits London) From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:02:07 -0800   The ultimate Anglo-Catholic church in the City is All Saints', Margaret Street ...   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: The pneumatic question From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:25:14 -0500     >Have you ever considered adding a nice wooden-bar harp to your =3D >instrument? They are great for accents and arpeggios.     Where can you get one? I've finnaly got the church to spark about the idea of a new or enlarged/rebuilt organ in the church. I have always liked the sound of them harps, it's just I can't find were to get any.   Please let me know.   Thanks, Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Golden Harps Are Sounding (and NOBODY under 50 will get THAT reference) (grin) From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:47:26 -0800   I know that was tongue-in-cheek, but here's a fun use for a harp in any Christmas Bach chorale-prelude with running sixteenths:   Presuming the harp is on the Choir manual, draw the harp and the Choir to Great 4'; draw 8'-2' flutes on the Great (right hand) and 16'-4' flutes on the Swell (left hand); chorale-bass or whatever in the pedal for the tune or the bass ... I'm thinking specifically of "Rejoice, Beloved Christians" or "In Dulci Jubilo", but it probably works on "From Heaven Came the Angel Hosts" as well.   The late Dr. Ramona Cruikshank Beard used to play "Rejoice, Beloved Christians" with that registration on the old Skinner in Opperman Hall at Florida State University ... am I a fossil, or what? (grin)   Look on the Theatre Organ Classifieds ... there are all sorts of used harps, though with current digital technology (even Le Grand Hammond has a half-way believable "plucked" harp), I wonder if that wouldn't be the route to go ... you would have a wider dynamic range.   You gotta harp, I gotta harp, all God's chillun's got harps ...   Cheers,   Bud   "Jason D. Comet" wrote:   > >Have you ever considered adding a nice wooden-bar harp to your =3D > >instrument? They are great for accents and arpeggios. > > Where can you get one? I've finnaly got the church to spark about the > idea of a new or enlarged/rebuilt organ in the church. I have always > liked the sound of them harps, it's just I can't find were to get any. > > Please let me know. > > Thanks, > Jason Comet > bombarde8@juno.com > |\ Organist/Choir Director > | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ > O ~20 member choir > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Why pay more to get Web access? > Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! > Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:57:05 -0500 (EST)   > John: > > Check out St. Anne's Church, Gresham Street, in what I understand is the > very heart of the City.   It's just north of the St. Paul's underground station. Walk north on St. Marins le Grand Street to Gresham St and turn right; the church will be on your left, set back a bit from the street. It's one of many Christopher Wren churches built after the big fire, consecrated in 1680 as an Anglican church but now used as a Lutheran outpost in London.   St. Martins le Grand Street becomes Aldersgate Street north of Gresham, area of Charles Wesley's "conversion" experience. Visit also Chruch of St. Botolph-Without-Aldersgate on Aldersgate Street, which includes a Samuel Green organ and a window in memory of the Wesleys. Visit also the site of Wes;ley's "Aldersgate Experience" marked by a tablet on a house on the streert just west of St. Botolph church. And if you ahve time, just a bit further north on City Road you find the Wesleys' "Foundery Chapel" and Wesley Chapel--and across the street Bunhill Field cemetery, where lie, among others, Isaac Watts, Suzannah Wesley (mother of John and Charles Wesley--their father is buried outside his parish church at Epworth, lots of miles to the north!) John Bunyan, etc.   It's Lutheran, though the building was originally > Anglican. Pastor Schmiege, actually an ELCA guy, has what I understand = to > be a fantastic series of musical events of all kinds. And if there are > events (and of course there are!) beyond what they are offering, I'm = sure > they can steer you to the best. > Peter Lea-Cox is "cantor" there-- they use the German Lutheran teminology for his office!!--and does a terrific music ministry there. There's a small but fine tracker; I don't recall the builder.   Call 0171-606 4986 or e-mail them at 74434.1521@Compuserve.com   At least that the address on a flier I picked up there in July 1998.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:47:29 -0500     My most satisfying worship experience in London has been at St. Peters, Eaton Square. This is an Anglo-Catholic parish that combines the "smells and Bells" with a ministry of very solid preaching, top notch music and ministering to the surrounding community. The beautiful Kenneth Jones 4m tracker and the 12 voice professional choir present the music in a style rarely found anywhere. The preaching even impresses a quite conservative Lutheran such as myself. Not the "hell fire and damnation" style of the Missouri Synod but quite a bit to the right of many ELCA preachers. In my experience,closer to what the old ALC turned out from their seminary in Columbus OH. Very solid exegesis of the text = set for the day. Their early service is for the family; a friend who has attended two of these tells me their format is very effective. Just a wonderful worship experience for the family with small children. To top it all off, they are civilised enough to have a wine and a conversation period after the 11am service. I can go for that!!   HD    
(back) Subject: Kenneth Jones tracker From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:53:52 -0800   I'm curious ... is this the same Irish builder who recently started (but = didn't finish) a four-manual installation in the RC Cathedral of the Madeleine in = Salt Lake City? And does anyone know the story on THAT organ? I remember = reading somewhere that Gene Bedient (?) was "completing" it ...   Cheers,   Bud   Hugh Drogemuller wrote:   > St. Peters, Eaton Square.   > The beautiful Kenneth Jones 4m tracker and the 12 voice professional = choir > present the music in a style rarely found anywhere.    
(back) Subject: Re: Kenneth Jones tracker From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:38:37 -0500   Bud:   The circumstances surrounding the installation of the instrument in Salt Lake City have been outlined on another List in the past year. If my memory of the detail is essentially correct, the Church in Salt Lake City was not ready for the instrument at the contractual installation = date. When they were ready, Jones had other installation commitments and essentially was unable to do these and Salt Lake City at the same time. Thus another builder was contracted to do some part or all of the work in Salt Lake City. In any event it is a wonderful instrument, at least this = is what my ear tells me , from the recordings made of it.   HD   At 16:53 14/12/1999 -0800, you wrote: >I'm curious ... is this the same Irish builder who recently started (but didn't >finish) a four-manual installation in the RC Cathedral of the Madeleine = in Salt >Lake City? And does anyone know the story on THAT organ? I remember = reading >somewhere that Gene Bedient (?) was "completing" it ... > >Cheers, > >Bud > >Hugh Drogemuller wrote: > >> St. Peters, Eaton Square. > >> The beautiful Kenneth Jones 4m tracker and the 12 voice professional = choir >> present the music in a style rarely found anywhere. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:56:34 EST   Thanks so much! I most certainly will contact him and give him your = regards.   Thanks again,   John  
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:57:03 EST   Thanks Rick,   Will do!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:58:27 EST   In a message dated 12/14/99 12:17:30 PM Central Standard Time, rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk writes:   << Will you be travelling around atall? I live about 1.25hrs North of = London. >>   I will be in London most of the time, but who knows what may transpire... It would be great to meet.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London) From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:59:28 EST   In a message dated 12/14/99 2:07:12 PM Central Standard Time, Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << The ultimate Anglo-Catholic church in the City is All Saints', Margaret Street ... >>   Thanks Bud,   I'm in the process of trying to get in there.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:00:03 EST   Thanks!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: American organist visits London From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:00:33 EST   Thanks, one and all, for your help!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Kenneth Jones tracker From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:31:11 EST   In a message dated 12/14/99 8:38:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com writes:   << In any event it is a wonderful instrument, at least this is what my ear tells me , from the recordings made of it. >> I had a chance to hear it and see it demonstrated by (I hope I'm spelling = his name correctly) Robert Ridgell during the Motab weekend in January. After = he played a bit for us, the scholars of the choir school came up and gave us = a brief recital, which included an arrangement of Londonderry Air to a text from a Canadian hymnal. I think I'm safe in saying that all of us were absolutely awed by the choir and organ in that setting. We also had an opportunity to try the organ, which proved to be quite lovely. The = building itself is handsome and imposing with most interesting artwork. It provides = an interesting and totally wonderful counterpoint to the Motab just a few = blocks away. It was interesting to discover perhaps one of the finest examples of = RC cathedral music in Salt Lake City of all places. Should you have the good fortune to visit there, both the Tabernacle and the Madeleine are = definitely worth a visit, and you can also purchase a lovely CD set of the choristers = at the Madeleine. And you will be impressed by the warm welcome and = hospitality of the organists at the Tabernacle and the gentlemen at the Madeleine. = Would that there were more like them across this country!  
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas service list - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport BeachCA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (x-posted) From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:54:27 -0500 (EST)     >AH! That's the dirty little secret of most of the > Prayer Book fundamentalists ... NOBODY > follows the '28 Prayer Book EXACTLY. Which was my problem with introduction of the 79 PB. Almost all of the possibilites for "creativity" are present in the 28 PB, the difference being that in the 79 PB the rubrics relieve the user of having to think much. Unfortunately, most worship remains dull as dishwater since what originally needed revising was the clergy, and this hasn't happened, even yet!       bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida