PipeChat Digest #1200 - Thursday, December 23, 1999
 
MIDI Conversion
  by "george e. swartz" <k7rni@premier1.net>
Re: MIDI Conversion
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Have a Wonderful Holiday Season!
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Fw: Have a Wonderful Holiday Season!
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: MIDI Conversion
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Organ Grad Standard
  by "soulek@frontiernet.net" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: MIDI Conversion
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: MIDI Conversion
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
MIDI conversion
  by "george e. swartz" <k7rni@premier1.net>
Re: Organ Grad Standard
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Organ Grad Standard
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: MIDI conversion
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: MIDI Conversion
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Merry X-mas
  by "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de>
 


(back) Subject: MIDI Conversion From: "george e. swartz" <k7rni@premier1.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:41:40 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01BF4C82.46CA8480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Many thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information on =3D converting my old Kimball pipe organ. I am reviewing everything and it = =3D looks very promising. This organ sounds exceptionally good and =3D electronic control will be an improvement. George E. Swartz   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01BF4C82.46CA8480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>Many thanks to everyone who =3D responded to my=3D20 request for information on converting my old Kimball pipe organ.&nbsp; I = =3D am=3D20 reviewing everything and it looks very promising.&nbsp; This organ =3D sounds=3D20 exceptionally good and electronic control will be an improvement.&nbsp; = =3D George=3D20 E. Swartz</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01BF4C82.46CA8480--    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Conversion From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:03:25 -0600   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1266222289=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   >Many thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information >on converting my old Kimball pipe organ. I am reviewing everything >and it looks very promising. This organ sounds exceptionally good >and electronic control will be an improvement. George E. Swartz   George   I really hate to put a "crimp" in your ideas but if this is an UNALTERED Kimball from that period I would hope that you would NOT do anything to change it including changing out the relay, etc. There are far too few unaltered Kimballs of that period and I would hate to see another of them "bite the dust". IOf the console is a bit worn then by all means restore it but don't change it. You have a "treasure" in that instrument if it hasn't been messed with previously.   David   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1266222289=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <excerpt><smaller>Many thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information on converting my old Kimball pipe organ. I am reviewing everything and it looks very promising. This organ sounds exceptionally good and electronic control will be an improvement. George E. Swartz   </smaller></excerpt><smaller>   </smaller>George     I really hate to put a "crimp" in your ideas but if this is an UNALTERED Kimball from that period I would hope that you would NOT do anything to change it including changing out the relay, etc. There are far too few unaltered Kimballs of that period and I would hate to see another of them "bite the dust". IOf the console is a bit worn then by all means restore it but don't change it. You have a "treasure" in that instrument if it hasn't been messed with previously.     David   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1266222289=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: Have a Wonderful Holiday Season! From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:49:15 -0600   Good afternoon to everyone!   I just wanted to wish all the list the BEST during this holiday season and for the new century! Our list is filled with so many that share our love for the pipe organ. It would be hard to thank all of the "professionals" that take the time to share their experiences with us and offer us = guidance. Without all this support and making used parts available, some of us that now have pipe organs in our homes would still only have a dream. I, for one, owe the list more thanks and gratitude that you can ever imagine!   Be safe!!! And you and your family enjoy the season.   Craig Elders  
(back) Subject: Fw: Have a Wonderful Holiday Season! From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:03:53 -0500   I too would like to wish everyone on the list a very happy, safe, and musical holidays. I have met many wonderful people here and hope to continue to do so as = well into the next millenium -if my computer doesn't blow up, that is !   Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Elders, Craig <c.elders@tcu.edu> To: 'PIPORG-L' <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu > Cc: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 5:49 PM Subject: Have a Wonderful Holiday Season!     > Good afternoon to everyone! > > I just wanted to wish all the list the BEST during this holiday season = and > for the new century! Our list is filled with so many that share our = love > for the pipe organ. It would be hard to thank all of the = "professionals" > that take the time to share their experiences with us and offer us guidance. > Without all this support and making used parts available, some of us = that > now have pipe organs in our homes would still only have a dream. I, for > one, owe the list more thanks and gratitude that you can ever imagine! > > Be safe!!! And you and your family enjoy the season. > > Craig Elders > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Conversion From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:19:43 -0600   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_2147225= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"   At 12/22/99 04:03 PM, David copied and added...: > >> >> Many thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information on >> converting my old Kimball pipe organ. I am reviewing everything and it >> looks very promising. This organ sounds exceptionally good and = electronic >> control will be an improvement. George E. Swartz > > > George > > I really hate to put a "crimp" in your ideas but if this is an UNALTERED > Kimball from that period I would hope that you would NOT do anything to > change it including changing out the relay, etc. There are far too few > unaltered Kimballs of that period and I would hate to see another of = them > "bite the dust". IOf the console is a bit worn then by all means = restore it > but don't change it. You have a "treasure" in that instrument if it = hasn't > been messed with previously. > > David       Greetings, George!   I'm afraid that I have to agree with David on this one -- I've refrained = from responding yet in the hope that your plans to "remodel" a vintage Kimball = were in fact not serious ones.   I have recently had the occasion to work with a couple of wonderful old Kimballs, and can truly say that I have rarely encountered better = craftsmanship and more elegant mechanism than what they contain. It has been my = experience that there is no aspect of their mechanism that is not worthy of = RESTORATION. (NOT replacement...!!)   I would hope, as David does, that you would consider another course of = action regarding your instrument -- one of appreciating what it is and what it = does *as built*......certainly "someone, somewhere" in the past has been able = to make much music with the organ like it is, presets or not.   I, for one, do NOT feel that "electronic control will be an improvement".   Best regards,   Tim Bovard, technician Nichols and Simpson Inc., Organbuilders Little Rock AR <tmbovard@arkansas.net>   PS -- ("disclaimer...") the above remarks are based on your information = that this is in fact an unaltered 1900's vintage Kimball Organ. If this is = untrue, and the instrument has previously been mechanically compromised, there = *could* be just cause for "improvements". Please tell us more about the organ!!         --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_2147225= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 12/22/99&nbsp; 04:03 PM, David copied and added...: <br> <font size=3D2><blockquote type=3Dcite cite><blockquote type=3Dcite = cite>Many thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information on converting my old Kimball pipe organ.&nbsp; I am reviewing everything and it looks very promising.&nbsp; This organ sounds exceptionally good and electronic control will be an improvement. George E. Swartz </font></blockquote><br> George <br> <br> I really hate to put a &quot;crimp&quot; in your ideas but if this is an UNALTERED Kimball from that period I would hope that you would NOT do anything to change it including changing out the relay, etc.&nbsp; There are far too few unaltered Kimballs of that period and I would hate to see another of them &quot;bite the dust&quot;.&nbsp; IOf the console is a bit worn then by all means restore it but don't change it.&nbsp; You have a &quot;treasure&quot; in that instrument if it hasn't been messed with previously. <br> <br> David </blockquote><br> <br> Greetings, George!<br> <br> I'm afraid that I have to agree with David on this one -- I've refrained from responding yet in the hope that your plans to &quot;remodel&quot; a vintage Kimball were in fact not serious ones.&nbsp; <br> <br> I have recently had the occasion to work with a couple of wonderful old Kimballs, and can truly say that I have rarely encountered better craftsmanship and more elegant mechanism than what they contain.&nbsp; It has been my experience that there is no aspect of their mechanism that is not worthy of RESTORATION.&nbsp; (NOT replacement...!!)&nbsp; <br> <br> I would hope, as David does, that you would consider another course of action regarding your instrument -- one of appreciating what it is and what it does *as built*......certainly &quot;someone, somewhere&quot; in the past has been able to make much music with the organ like it is, presets or not.<br> <br> I, for one, do NOT feel that &quot;electronic control will be an improvement&quot;.<br> <br> Best regards,<br> <br> Tim Bovard, technician<br> Nichols and Simpson Inc., Organbuilders<br> Little Rock AR<br> &lt;tmbovard@arkansas.net&gt;<br> <br> PS -- (&quot;disclaimer...&quot;)&nbsp; the above remarks are based on your information that this is in fact an unaltered 1900's vintage Kimball Organ.&nbsp; If this is untrue, and the instrument has previously been mechanically compromised, there *could* be just cause for &quot;improvements&quot;.&nbsp; Please tell us more about the organ!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br> <br> <br> <br> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_2147225= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Organ Grad Standard From: "soulek@frontiernet.net" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:31:38 -0600   I have a career exploration project I have to do for school. We needed to pick 2 careers and research them. I chose organbuilding for one because I am real interested in organs. If you are an organbuilder or someone else that knows the answers, I would appreciate it if you would answer these questions.   1.Do I need a college education? 2.Would my employer pay for my education? 3.Is my job safe? 4.How long do I work? 5.Do I work alone or with a team? 6.What kind of benefits do I get? 7.What is the pay? 8.Is the pay right for the cost of living? 9.Is there more pay for more education? 10.What is the city like where I will be working? 11.Will I have to move? 12.Will you pay for my move? 13.Do I stay in one place or do I move around (cities)? 14.Is the demand for organbuilders declining?   THANK YOU!!!! Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Conversion From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:13:20 EST   In a message dated 12/22/99 4:05:22 PM Central Standard Time, david@blackiris.com writes:   << really hate to put a "crimp" in your ideas but if this is an UNALTERED Kimball from that period I would hope that you would NOT do anything to change it including changing out the relay, etc. There are far too few unaltered Kimballs of that period and I would hate to see another of them "bite the dust". IOf the console is a bit worn then by all means restore it but don't change it. You have a "treasure" in that instrument if it hasn't been messed with previously. David >>   David I agree with you completely. And,fortunately, Midi Record/ Playback = can be added without destroying or scrapping any part of the organ. The = system simply parallel monitors all of the switching contacts in the console, and =   can usually be mounted inside the console shell. I have done this on a = Style B Wurlitzer. It can be easily removed without affecting the operation of = the organ in any way.   Later, Phil L  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Conversion From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:16:14 -0600   Tim Bovard wrote: > I have recently had the occasion to work with a couple of wonderful > old Kimballs, and can truly say that I have rarely encountered better > craftsmanship and more elegant mechanism than what they contain. It > has been my experience that there is no aspect of their mechanism that > is not worthy of RESTORATION. (NOT replacement...!!)   I think this is absolutely right. With regard to mechanism, finish and quality, Kimballs probably even had the edge over Skinner. On the tonal side their strings are particularly magnificent. My vote too, would be with David and Tim for keeping an unaltered Kimball in its pristine state. I think vintage cars are a good analogy for vintage organs. Most of us want a good modern car, but nobody in their right mind would attempt to convert a 1920 Rolls Royce into a 1999 Toyota -- or even a 1999 Mercedes. So why treat organs like this?   John Speller  
(back) Subject: MIDI conversion From: "george e. swartz" <k7rni@premier1.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:26:32 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0025_01BF4CA1.B0C96EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   To David and Tim, I appreciate your concern for my Kimball pipe organ and possible =3D destruction of an antique. The console was home built in the early =3D 1970's and is very professionally made but not original so no harm will = =3D be done . Only the pipes and chests, etc are original. I belive some =3D ranks have been added over the years. The organ was built about 1900 =3D and was used as a theater organ until 1930. It was used at Ballard =3D First Lutheran from 1930 to 1967 and in the old Snohomish First Baptist = =3D church from 1972 until a few years ago when it was put into storage due = =3D to high maintenance costs. I am donating the organ along with =3D installation to the new Snohomish First Baptist Church here in =3D Snohomish, WA. Our organist who played the original organ for 15 years = =3D wants the features we can gain with MIDI control. We want to plan the =3D new installation so that the end result is a reliable, versatile and =3D good sounding organ. My wife definitely does not want me to keep the =3D organ for myself and try to install it in our house. Again, thanks to =3D everyone. George=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0025_01BF4CA1.B0C96EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>To David and Tim,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I appreciate your concern for my = =3D Kimball pipe=3D20 organ and possible destruction of an antique.&nbsp; The console was home = =3D built=3D20 in the early 1970's and is very professionally made but not original so = =3D no harm=3D20 will be done .&nbsp; Only the pipes and chests, etc are original.&nbsp; = =3D I belive=3D20 some ranks have been added over the years.&nbsp; The organ was built =3D about 1900=3D20 and was used as a theater organ until 1930.&nbsp; It was used at Ballard = =3D First=3D20 Lutheran from 1930 to 1967 and in the old Snohomish First Baptist church = =3D from=3D20 1972 until a few years ago when it was put into storage due to high =3D maintenance=3D20 costs.&nbsp; I am donating the organ along with installation to the = new=3D20 Snohomish First Baptist Church here in Snohomish, WA. Our organist who =3D played=3D20 the original organ for 15 years&nbsp; wants the features we can gain =3D with MIDI=3D20 control.&nbsp; We want to plan the new installation so that the end =3D result is a=3D20 reliable, versatile and good sounding organ.&nbsp; My wife definitely =3D does not=3D20 want me to keep the organ for myself and try to install it in our =3D house.&nbsp;=3D20 Again, thanks to everyone.&nbsp; George </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0025_01BF4CA1.B0C96EE0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Grad Standard From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:11:46 EST   Dear Paul,   In answer to your questions (in the order posed)   1) A college degree is always helpful, but woodworking and = shop/mechanical skills are also nice to have. 2) Depends on the employer... However, I wouldn't count on it. 3) Organ building is relatively safe, unless your a real klutz (like I = am). 4) Organ building requires long hours at times... especially during installations. 5) Organ building is considered a team sport. 6) Benefits are dependent on what your employer is offering -- NEGOTIATE. 7) Pay? Refer to the answer above. 8) Cost of living? Well, I guess it depends on how well you negotiate = and where you live. 9) Pay/Education? I think it's fair to say that with more education you = can expect more bucks. 10) I'm not sure which city you're refering to 11) Move? It depends on who hires you and where their operations are. 12) Pay for move? That would be covered in answer # 6. 13) It's safe to say that you would be required to travel for = installations. 14) Demand? That's a hard call... but I can safely say that the business =   isn't as strong as it used to be.   Best of luck to you. Remember organ building is an art and a science = which is very rewarding and fulfilling -- if you don't mind hard work and a = little sweat.   John A. Gambill, Jr.   Forshey Church Organ Co. Dallas, Texas   Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Organist/Choirmaster Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Grad Standard From: <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:24:58 EST   The first thing my boss told me is that building organs won't make you a = lot of money, but you'll be happy. My other boss asked me "you want to be an organbuilder, are you crazy?" I told him I wasn't too crazy, then he said =   somthing to this effect "well, we're only looking for crazy peple right = now." -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI conversion From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:57:05 -0600   George   Thank you for the clarification about the instrument. From your original description it sounded like it might be an unaltered Kimball from that period. And those are very few and far between!! I was afraid of another one biting the dust in this case.   Good luck with your project.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Conversion From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:42:26 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01BF4CCD.D1C4B740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Just a note on the Kimball conversion. 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(back) Subject: Merry X-mas From: "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:49:56 +0100   Dear Pipe chatters,   may the Joy and Peace of Christmas be with you and your familys now and all through the coming year. I really enjoy the Pipechat and all the discussions and hope, that this group grow up and add more organ friends through the world.   Hans-Dieter Karras Concertorganist - Pianist - Composer Music Director Lutheran Church St.Ulrici Braunschweig http://www.hdkarras.de