PipeChat Digest #686 - Tuesday, February 2, 1999
 
Jason Comet
  by "greg mcausland" <greg@gaybrighton.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: remembering Latin
  by "Ernest C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: remembering Latin
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #683 - 01/30/99
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Re: Playing to distraction
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinel@theatreorgans.com>
Playing distraction...
  by "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu>
Re: Playing distraction...
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
Re: Playing distraction...
  by "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com>
Re: Playing distraction...
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
Yellin during service.
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
playing distractions
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
(no subject)
  by "Don G. Pribble" <donprib@juno.com>
static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Playing to distraction
  by "JeffWinSTL" <Reedstop@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Playing to distraction
  by "Travis Evans" <tle6399@seward.cune.edu>
Re: I need support...
  by "Nicholas A Hall, Jr." <tremulants@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Jason Comet From: "greg mcausland" <greg@gaybrighton.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:39:08 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE4DCF.19179EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Jason   I'm sorry to hear that you're under so much stress at the moment. I = think if my mother started telling me what to do at the organ console - = I would have walked out ages ago.   There is an important lesson to be learnt here and that is the organist = should be the person with total responsibility for the music and choir. = Spread the responsibilities to other people and you will get friction. = I never accept a post unless I am going to be the top bod as far as the = music goes. I have often come across so called 'music directors' who = can't even play the organ or piano. I don't know how you're gonna deal = with your mum, Jason - if she is musical as you then perhaps you might = be able to learn from her, but if your mum is far less musical then you = it wouldn't be that hard to gently persuade her that you should be in = sole charge. Perhaps you should 'sacrifice' one or two of your other = duties so you can concentrate on the organ.   As for the selfish person who started clapping in the last verse of = 'Lord of the Dance', unfortunately I have experienced that everytime we = get a joyful chorus. A small child even comes along now with her = tambourine. I cant really confiscate the tambourine or ask the = congregation not to clap so I just sort of go along with it. In such = circumstances its best to keep the accompaniment simple and not too = embellished. Perhaps screaming at them IS NOT a very wise thing to do = as you might:   1) antagonize them and they might do it again in bigger numbers 2) bring the good name of the organist into disrepute   I can think of many times when I needed a good scream. Try and have a = word with your minister he may be able to sort out your predicament for = you. But don't give up Jason! The church needs more people like you!!     Best wishes     Greg   ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE4DCF.19179EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Jason</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I'm sorry to hear that you're under = so much=20 stress at the moment.&nbsp; I think if my mother started telling me what = to do=20 at the organ console - I would have walked out ages ago.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>There is an important lesson to be = learnt here=20 and that is the organist should be the person with total responsibility = for the=20 music and choir.&nbsp; Spread the responsibilities to other people and = you will=20 get friction.&nbsp; I never accept a post unless I am going to be the = top bod as=20 far as the music goes.&nbsp; I have often come across so called 'music=20 directors' who can't even play the organ or piano.&nbsp; I don't know = how you're=20 gonna deal with your mum, Jason - if she is musical as you then perhaps = you=20 might be able to learn from her, but if your mum is far less musical = then you it=20 wouldn't be that hard to gently persuade her that you should be in sole=20 charge.&nbsp; Perhaps you should 'sacrifice' one or two of your other = duties so=20 you can concentrate on the organ.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>As for the selfish person who = started clapping=20 in the last verse of 'Lord of the Dance', unfortunately I have = experienced that=20 everytime we get a joyful chorus.&nbsp; A small child even comes along = now with=20 her tambourine.&nbsp; I cant really confiscate the tambourine or ask the =   congregation not to clap so I just sort of go along with it.&nbsp; In = such=20 circumstances its best to keep the accompaniment simple and not too=20 embellished.&nbsp; Perhaps screaming at them IS NOT a very wise thing to = do as=20 you might:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1) antagonize them and they might do = it again in=20 bigger numbers</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>2) bring the good name of the = organist into=20 disrepute</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I can think of many times when I = needed a good=20 scream.&nbsp; Try and have a word with your minister he may be able to = sort out=20 your predicament for you.&nbsp; But don't give up Jason!&nbsp; The = church needs=20 more people like you!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Best wishes</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Greg</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE4DCF.19179EE0--    
(back) Subject: Re: remembering Latin From: Ernest C Hart <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:50:35 +0000   At 11:04 30.01.99 -0600, Dominic Joseph Radanovich wrote:   >MANY years ago when I was in seminary we were taugh a couple of rhymes in Latin/English with Latin endings, etc. There is one that I wish I could remember the whole thing because it was so darn clever. It goes: > >"Johnnybus findibus cookibus jarem . . ."   I don't know the ending to this one, but I have a similar one which I learnt at school (the advantages of the British Public School education!) which I remember to this day :   "Caesar adsum jam forte Pompei aderat Caesar sic in omnibus Pompei sic in at."     Ernest Hart   Copeman Hart & Company Ltd http://www.copemanhart.co.uk                  
(back) Subject: Re: remembering Latin From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:20:44 GMT   I don't remember the same "Caesar adsum jam forte" that Ernest Hart does. Improvisation?   The version I know runs thus:   Caesar adsum jam forte, Brutus e ad hoc, Sed Brutus passus sum.     Mark Harris =========     * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mark Harris * S-mail: Finance & Accounting Division, University of London, Room 255, Senate * House, Malet Street, London WC1E 7HU * E-mail: M.Harris@admin.lon.ac.uk * Direct line/voicemail: 0171-862 8222 * Fax: 0171-862 8210 * http://www.lon.ac.uk/aut/ * * Frigus ac tenebras carmine superemus * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #683 - 01/30/99 From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:47:12 -0500     Kevin wrote...   <<Yes, the writers *do* get credit and royalties under the claims they created an ENTIRE song... The music score fills 5 pages (about 60 measures) at 98 b/min. Repetitititititititititititition galore. It's just something you'd have to be there to believe.>>   I believe it, Kevin! Awhile back, we sang a "happy clappy" chorus that repeats the words "as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" a grand total of twenty-seven times. I have no problem with the words, after all they are taken straight from the Bible, but twenty-seven times in one song?   The thing that REALLY infuriates me is that the Praze Team doesn't have the time (or perhaps the attention span) to sing all four verses of a real hymn (even a four-line one!) yet they will repeat the "happy clappies" ad nauseum! There's enough built-in repetition in those things without repeating the whole shootin' match two or three times!   -George      
(back) Subject: Re: Playing to distraction From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinel@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:04:35 -0000   > One of my favorite "exercises" get eye-to-eye right up next to my >student's face like a drill sergeant while their playing, and then stare at >him/her. One girl came close to, smacking me upside the head for it, but >most folks get used to it and start to ignore it altogether...and it >actually helps them concentrate on the playing in the end!   I'm currently learning to play a piece call "Alleluyas" by Simon Preston. Those of you who know it will also know that it has an exiting last two pages. When I play it in my lessons, my teacher tends to get rather exited and among other things dance, sing, make other noises or stare at the music of my hands - this isn't annoying, just very off-putting. I sympathise with your students!!!!     Richard Pinel    
(back) Subject: Playing distraction... From: "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:58:51 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE4DEA.FF82C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi everyone! I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and I = found Richard Pinel's post to be interesting. I'm a student of Margaret = McElwain-Kemper at Northwestern in Evanston, IL. We recently had a = master class with Marilyn Keiser that was a ball! Anyway, I was playing = the Saint-Saens Prelude and Fugue in Eb and she was trying every which = way to distract me. Even hugging me while I was playing!!! :o) It's hard = to play with the distractions, but there's a certain sense of = accomplishment with it. Keep it up, Jason.... you'll get used to = distraction. Just hold your focus.   Jason Klein   Student - Northwestern University, Evanston, IL Associate Organist - First Presbyterian Church, Arlington Heights, IL   ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE4DEA.FF82C9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi everyone! I've been reading this = newsgroup=20 for quite a while and&nbsp; I found Richard Pinel's post to be = interesting. I'm=20 a student of Margaret McElwain-Kemper at Northwestern in Evanston, IL. = We=20 recently had a master class with Marilyn Keiser that was a ball! Anyway, = I was=20 playing the Saint-Saens Prelude and Fugue in Eb and she was trying every = which=20 way to distract me. Even hugging me while I was playing!!! :o) It's hard = to play=20 with the distractions, but there's a certain sense of accomplishment = with it.=20 Keep it up, Jason.... you'll get used to distraction. Just hold your=20 focus.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Jason Klein</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Student - Northwestern University, = Evanston,=20 IL</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Associate Organist - First = Presbyterian Church,=20 Arlington Heights, IL</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE4DEA.FF82C9C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:20:16 -0500   Jason Klein wrote: >.... you'll get used to distraction. Just hold your focus. >   It will prepare you for playing in a real church. I know of no other musical position where one has to put up with so much (I once saw a conductor of a semi-major orchestra restart a piece because too many people in the audience were coughing! That's what so-called "mainstream musicians have come to expect).   Once, the organist before me had just started the postlude after the choir had sung a particularly difficult anthem well. Some supposed "fan" in the congregation ran up, yelled BRAVO and clapped his hands 2" from the organist's ear.   I got grabbed by someone once who proceeded to yell "I LOVE THAT PIECE" in my ear. Yes I dropped some notes. The other guy was cooler than I was.   Then there are the talkers. Some people are better than others at talking while they play. I'm not one of them. But some people will not take silence as a clue that you don't want to talk just then.   Then there was the bum who got by the ushers, staggered up to the organ, and collapsed on the floor right next to it during the prelude (an inner city church brings a whole set of bizarre distractions, like the fortissimo fire siren just after giving the choir their pitches for an a cappela motet).   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:41:00 -0600   *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 2/1/99, at 3:20 PM, Jim Swist wrote:   >Jason Klein wrote: >>.... you'll get used to distraction. Just hold your focus. >> > >It will prepare you for playing in a real church. I know of no other >musical position where one has to put up with so much   AHA! You've never played before MOVIES in a THEATRE! Not only do we get everything that you mentioned, we also get the audience that requests a piece, people that want to talk with you while you're playing, and -- you will not believe this -- the occasional moron who throws candy at the organist! Nothing like the clatter of Lemonheads off the keyboard to keep you alert!   And at the PRICE of movie concessions, why would you want to waste it????   Hey, I don't play THAT bad!!!     |===================== Steve Margison =====================| | Organs, Theatres, Woodworking, Lots more at my WebSite: | | www.organman.com | |==========================================================|    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:44:36 -0500   Steven Margison wrote: > > AHA! You've never played before MOVIES in a THEATRE! Not only do we get > everything that you mentioned, we also get the audience that requests a > piece, people that want to talk with you while you're playing, and > -- you will not believe this -- > the occasional moron who throws candy at the organist! Nothing like the > clatter of Lemonheads off the keyboard to keep you alert! > > And at the PRICE of movie concessions, why would you want to waste it????   Well, we could probably make a list and come out equal. I forgot to mention the religious rites that include sprinkling of holy water where the "sprinkling" amounts to about a half gallon right on your head.   I guess root beer is worse though....  
(back) Subject: Yellin during service. From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 04:17:53 -0500   Well, it wasn't a LOUD yell, It was just a stop-playing, and mumble into the keyboards. (plus I also lost some primaries and some Bourdon notes)   Sorry for the *disruption* on the list.   (plus I have had the flu for the past 2 1/2 weeks.)   jc   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: playing distractions From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:54:43 -0500   Boy, and I thought playing silents was distracting.   R Veague      
(back) Subject: From: "Don G. Pribble" <donprib@juno.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:45:08 -0600   I started collecting LP organ records in the early 50's and have around 200 or more. Naturally I haven't bought any LPs since the advent of CDs. Now in my twilight years, I don't feel that I want to leave all these records for someone else to dispose of. I never play them anymore so why not pass them on at a very reasonable price to those who are collectors.     All are in good to excellent condition. I also have about 50 to 100 other classical LPs. For the organ discs I'm asking $3.00 each and for the orchestral $2.00.   How do I handle this? There are too many to list titles and too many to try to ship, so here's my suggestion: I live in Golden Valley, the first subburb west of Minneapolis. Any of you who can drop by and pay me a visit can brouse through the collection and take what you want. My phone is 612-546-2484. Give me a call and tell me approximately what time you will be here. The one who makes the first reservation will get first crack. I live on Hwy 55, about 4 miles west of Mpls.   I hope you will agree that this a fair way to handle this.   Don Pribble in Minneapolis.   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 18:45:31 -0500   hello fellow list members, I have a question for those of you who can answer it. What is the difference between the static wind and the "real" wind pressure in a pipe organ (real wind being the chest pressure or the amount of pressure the pipe is classified as) I hope this sounds ok to you. As much as I am involved in pipe organs, I ought to know this. For example, I know of two organ blowers where static wind (i think) is stamped in the plate. One says 13 INS., the other says 5 INS. these are BOOTH Kinetic Blowers from around the same time period. I'm hoping some of you could shed light on this for me. John  
(back) Subject: Re: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure From: OrganMD@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:58:01 EST   John....   The static pressure is the "un-regulated pressure", the straight output of the blower.   Whereas the "real" pressure as you put it, or regulated pressure as I put it is the pressure after the wind has gone through the regulating reservoir and its associated valve.   Two blowers of identical physical size can indeed have different static pressures by having more or fewer number of blades on the fan. If all other physical parameters are the same, the blower with the higher static does deliver a higher potential for regulated wind pressure, but with less cfm's.   I hope that this helps.   Bill Hesterman  
(back) Subject: Re: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:07:28 -0500   OrganMD@aol.com wrote: > > John.... > > The static pressure is the "un-regulated pressure", the straight output of > the blower. OK, that answers half the question. > Whereas the "real" pressure as you put it, or regulated pressure as I put it > is the pressure after the wind has gone through the regulating reservoir and > its associated valve. > > Two blowers of identical physical size can indeed have different static > pressures by having more or fewer number of blades on the fan. If all other > physical parameters are the same, the blower with the higher static does > deliver a higher potential for regulated wind pressure, but with less cfm's. > Here is more info. on the blower that I am most concerned about, just so I have an idea what wind pressure the pipes are voiced on that I made an offer for. RPM: 1165 CFM: 650 Static wind: 5 inches NO.: 01135B > I hope that this helps. > > Bill Hesterman > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: static wind pressure vs. "real" wind pressure From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:19:14 -0600   >Here is more info. on the blower that I am most concerned about, just so >I have an idea what wind pressure the pipes are voiced on that I made an >offer for. >RPM: 1165 >CFM: 650 >Static wind: 5 inches >NO.: 01135B   Your best bet provided the blower is currently connected up and can be turned on is to measure the sidn pressure prior to disassembling the wind system. You can make up a simple device to do this yourself.   I seem to remember that the organ was a Moller so I would guess that the pipes are playing on about 4" of pressure. - maybe 3 1/2". The regulated pressure will be less than the static pressure of the blower.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing to distraction From: "JeffWinSTL" <Reedstop@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:58:05 -0600   Jason, don't apologize for "disruption", I find this kinda interesting!   I don't have any war stories like some of the others have had, but I did have one pre-Concert recital I was playing for our congregation, and the choir members kept walking back and forth. Now, to me, a recital is much more different than just playing for service, so my nerves were more taut. Next year, i asked them to remain downstairs until the bells rang to start the concert off!!   Robert, I wish I had had you as a teacher. I don't distract very easily, however. I do have a hard time trying to talk when I'm playing sometimes, so my words actually come out of my mouth in time the music.... haha!   Jeff      
(back) Subject: Re: Playing to distraction From: Travis Evans <tle6399@seward.cune.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:03:52 -0500 (CDT)   I do have a hard time trying to talk when I'm playing sometimes, > so my words actually come out of my mouth in time the music.... haha! >     I do the same thing. During my postlude a couple of weeks ago the church tresurer came up and was asking me questions, like my address, and SSN for my W2 form. I was playing one of Dr. Ore's pieces, which was not the most rhythmically even music to play, so when I was talking it sounded like I was stuttering. I started laughing after she left, thinking how funny that must have sounded to her.     Travis Evans    
(back) Subject: Re: I need support... From: "Nicholas A Hall, Jr." <tremulants@juno.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:34:33 -0700   On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:56:55 -0600 "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net> writes:   >My question is...and I hope to stir up a little discussion with >this...am I >wrong to be so solidly convicted that quality, well-written anthems >and >hymnody leads to a more authentic worship experience?   No - you are not wrong. We have 6 services/Sunday at our church (Cathedral of the Rockies, Boise, Idaho). I went to the "Blue Jeans" service with a blues/jazz grouip and jazzz/gospel choir and HATED it. It was held in the auditorium.   >Am I completely >blind >to the needs of current congregations?   I noticed that most of the people in the blue jeans service were children to about 40 years old. I'm 50 and still play rock music, but not having a tradtional choir with a pipe organ with stained glass windows ruins the spiritual content of the service, IMHO.   >I want only to return to the >God >who gave us such an incredible gift as music the very best fruits of >that >gift.   Well - ALL music is a gift (well - with the possible exception of RAP!!!!!) from God and I'm sure that each has their own way of worshiping. But for a church to forsake an instrument as grand as a pipe organ and the efforts and talents made to learn and play it is, simply, a tremendous loss. what they SHOULD have done is offered alternative services like our chuirch did. If they make the contemporary service the norm, they'll probably loose their older patrons.     ....Nick   Theatre, Baroque or Cathedral... The pipe organ is God's gift to His children ----- Tremulants@juno.com -----   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]