PipeChat Digest #687 - Wednesday, February 3, 1999
 
Re: Playing distraction...
  by <CymbaleIII@aol.com>
Re: Playing distraction...
  by "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com>
distractions
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Playing distraction...
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinel@theatreorgans.com>
Re: distractions
  by "Chris Mullen" <nascarfreak1039@hotmail.com>
"fly-by-night" organ builders
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
fly-by-nighters (longish)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: fly-by-nighters (longish) X-POSTED
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re:
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
fly-by-niters
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re:
  by "Don G. Pribble" <donprib@juno.com>
Re: Playing distraction...
  by <CymbaleIII@aol.com>
Re:
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re:
  by "Cliff Benham" <cbenham@bellatlantic.net>
Verdi scholar
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: CymbaleIII@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:41:02 EST   Lemon Heads off the Keyboards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's hysterical!   The only real problem I ever had, other than verbal interaction, was playing for a christmas concert where they had special backdrops which altered the choirs processional path VERY close to the organ. Every time someone filed by during the processional to take their place in the choir loft, their choir robe sleeve draped acrossed my head obstructing my view and providing a very strange sensation....good thing static electricity was relatively low that day!   --Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:56:11 -0600   On 2/2/99, at 9:41 AM, CymbaleIII@aol.com wrote: >Lemon Heads off the Keyboards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's hysterical!   I'm thinking about getting a tux made out of Kevlar. The Lemonheads are bad enough, but if they ever start throwing the Jawbreakers I'm a dead man!   -- steve --     |===================== Steve Margison =====================| | Organs, Theatres, Woodworking, Lots more at my WebSite: | | www.organman.com | |==========================================================|    
(back) Subject: distractions From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:44:21 -0500   Heehee... reading all these things on talking while playing, makes me glad none of you were playing +ACI- Flight of the Bumble Bee +ACI-. Heehee...   Rick V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinel@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:33:33 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE4EDA.89D30E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >Hi everyone! I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and = I found Richard Pinel's post to be interesting. =20 If you like to embarrass people, my teacher's name is SIMON = JOHNSON!!   ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE4EDA.89D30E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 = HTML//EN"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&gt;Hi everyone! I've been = reading this=20 newsgroup for quite a while and&nbsp; I found Richard Pinel's post = to be=20 interesting.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If you like to embarrass people, = my=20 teacher's name is SIMON = JOHNSON!!</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE4EDA.89D30E60--    
(back) Subject: Re: distractions From: "Chris Mullen" <nascarfreak1039@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:42:10 PST   >Heehee... reading all these things on talking while playing, makes me glad none of you were playing +ACI- Flight of the Bumble Bee +ACI-. Heehee... > >Rick V.   I can't even play Flight of the Bumble Bee!!! I can't talk and play at the same time either!   Chris Mullen   "You know you're a music major when the members of your graduating class were freshmen when you were a senoir"   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: "fly-by-night" organ builders From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:46:05 -0500   (NOTE: this posting is not intended at all to be a "sales pitch." The reason why I may use a few "salesman terms" is soley to prove a point, NOT to be a "my organs / products are better than yours" type of thing. I hope you all are willing to understand.   Dear list members, This is in response to the thread about responsible organ building on the piporg-l list. I include a "clipping" of a recent posting by Brenda Hays:   >So, the REAL story at my congregation is that we had a very nice, all 8s and >4s 19th century organ. Two local maintenance men from NJ have had their hands >in it, one stealing all the pipes from the Great stops, adn some of the Swell >reeds.<snip>   As a sideline in addition to college and working part time, etc., I was recently appointed company serviceman and representative by Dutch Craft Organ Builders, a firm who has several dozen organs in the NY-NJ-PA tri-state region. Offices are in NJ and TX as well as the head office an factory in FL. (just to let you know what area of the country I am 'driving' at.) I recently emailed someone privately on the piporg-l list, Brenda Hays in response to the message they posted above. I include parts of it below:     I represent a pipe organ firm which has several pipe organs in your area. My question is, would you be willing to let us know who these "crooks" in NJ are? We are very concerned about our organs at present, due to the number of "fly by nighters" around. Any information about the whereabouts of fly-by-nighters is much appreciated by other reputable organ firms, as well as the courts- not that I want you to get your church involved in a lawsuit. If you don't believe me by what I say, I would be willing to send you a videotape featuring our high quality organs and products, and no...we do NOT use any electronic JUNK (I only use that statement to prove my point in this case, not as a "sales pitch." if any of you are interested though, I would be happy to send you one.) I thank you very much for posting what you did...It tells other churches a valuable story, and too often its too late before they realize the trap they fell into. Many times they never come out of it. Yours truly, Mr. Vanderstad, Northeastern USA representative Dutch Craft Organ Builders   she replied back with the following message:   >Yup, we heard about you. You have one of the worst reputations in the area, >nicknamed "Dutchcrap" by locals. We were told to run like hell if you ever >spoke to us. Thanks for the tip.   I replied saying I have a lesson in store for you and the people who said this to you. I included a professor's evaluation concerning our organs, but so far I have received no response. If any of you would like to see this out of curiousity, I will gladly email it to you. It is much too long to post here, and also against list regulations.   Now, my friends, is that a way to talk about a pipe organ builder, who satisfies their customer to the fullest extent? She speaks of a company who has around 50 years experience in building and maintaining pipe organs. I was taught myself that unless you don't experience something firsthand, you have no right to talk bad about it. I think we can apply the same to pipe organs. This person has never contacted us to my knowledge to play any of our organs. Friends, if you feel your church has been hit by a fly-by-night organbuilder, I think this list would like to hear about it. There are many organ builders active on this list, who would like to know if any church has been hit by a fly-by-nighter, not to try to sell a job to the church, but in many cases this can be reported to the courts. A few years ago a number of our clients in the northern NJ area have been hit by such a criminal, and according to various sources, he is wanted by the courts, and still running around loose in FL. My point is, if you experience firsthand a fly by night organ builder in your area, let your serviceman know, so he can let his clients or churches know in turn. Then if you know of a church that has been victim, you, with the church can report him to the courts. Although there are many reputable organ firms throughout the country, there are also too many crooks lurking around. Let's all keep our eye on these developing situations. I am sure I can speak on behalf of the list that it is very much appreciated if you can let us know. It may be a church around the corner from us which is victim, and we may not know about it. It would be excellent if some can provide input to the list. Mr. Vanderstad  
(back) Subject: fly-by-nighters (longish) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:21:18 -0800   St. Paul's Church in Winter Haven FL used to have two manuals of a four-manual Austin that was broken up, from somewhere in West Virginia. It had a new (at the time) two-manual Austin console, and was a pretty decent organ for its day.   During WW2, a "downy-bird" organist (as the Rector put it) decided that he just HAD to have three manuals. Younger listmembers may not know that almost the entire organ-building industry was converted to making airplane parts (particularly bomb-sights) during the war. So practically no new organs were being built, and parts were limited to inventory on hand.   Well, Mr. Downy-Bird found a "builder" who could do what he wanted, or so he thought. Said "builder" got the organ disassembled and strung out all over the parish hall and split town with X number of the Vestry's hard-earned dollars. So the Rector had to go to the local service man (who had advised against doing anything until the war ended) and beg him to put the organ back together.   What they ended up with was a cobbled console with a rickety third manual shoved under the original two, and a Choir organ made up of used Wurlitzer pipes and chest. Now, the Wurlitzer chest had been in somebody's garage, and was full of termites. They ended up having to tent the entire large Gothic church at tremendous expense.   The relays were so scrambled that it was anybody's guess what would come on when you depressed a stop-tab. But the funniest thing was that the air leaks were so loud, the choir used the opening of the swell shades as a signal to stand up!   The Rector finally boarded over the access to the chamber and swore not to spend another penny on the organ. Sure enough, it caught fire the following Easter. It was eventually replaced by one of the last Aeolian-Skinners, which burned a number of years later in a disastrous fire that destroyed the whole church (the fire had nothing to do with the new organ). I understand the rebuilt church now has a fine Harrison & Harrison from England.   When I was in Cleveland in the sixties, there was an "organ-builder" who allegedly preyed on older RC churches. He would "rebuild" their organs, allegedly stealing about half the pipes; then he would build another church a "new" organ, using the allegedly stolen parts. When I saw his name associated with the rebuild of the great 5-manual E.M. Skinner in Public Hall, I shuddered. I say "allegedly" because nothing was ever proven and no action was ever taken, at least to my knowledge.   I don't know what the solution is, other than for organists to educate themselves about organ-building and learn by examination and conversation which builders to trust. In matters of rebuilds, I would think the Journal of the Organ Historical Society and Alan Laufman at Organ Clearing House would be good resources ... also the two American associations of pipe organ builders (whose alphabet soup I can never remember).   Organists are sometimes guilty of imposing their particular tastes on a congregation whose liturgy and tastes may not match their own. There are multitudes of ways to clean up and refurbish romantic organs from the earlier part of this century that don't violate the basic design of the instruments ... conservative rescaling of pipework, replacing Aeolines and Dolces with 4' or 2' stops VOICED TO FIT THE REST OF THE INSTRUMENT, cleaning and regulating the reeds, etc. A lot of these instruments suffer from neglect as much as any deficiency in design. All too often, we see noble old Skinners, Mollers, Austins, etc. disfigured by "breaking-glass" upperwork that doesn't go with ANYTHING.   You get what you pay for ... a conservative rebuild of a mechanically-sound romantic instrument is a better long-term investment than some overblown "all-purpose" scheme that will probably end up doing NOTHING well. If you can afford a fine new organ, by all means go for it, but most of us can't.   Cheers,   Bud Clark    
(back) Subject: Re: fly-by-nighters (longish) X-POSTED From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:32:25 -0500   Bud/Burgie and list: YES! A FINE EXAMPLE! THE BEST THING ANYONE CAN DO WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE THE WORK OF A "FLY BY NIGHTER" IS TO TAKE ACTION!!!!   Bud/burgie wrote: > > St. Paul's Church in Winter Haven FL used to have two manuals of a > four-manual Austin that was broken up, from somewhere in West Virginia. > It had a new (at the time) two-manual Austin console, and was a pretty > decent organ for its day. > > During WW2, a "downy-bird" organist (as the Rector put it) decided that > he just HAD to have three manuals. Younger listmembers may not know that > almost the entire organ-building industry was converted to making > airplane parts (particularly bomb-sights) during the war. So practically > no new organs were being built, and parts were limited to inventory on > hand. > > Well, Mr. Downy-Bird found a "builder" who could do what he wanted, or > so he thought. Said "builder" got the organ disassembled and strung out > all over the parish hall and split town with X number of the Vestry's > hard-earned dollars. So the Rector had to go to the local service man > (who had advised against doing anything until the war ended) and beg him > to put the organ back together. > > What they ended up with was a cobbled console with a rickety third > manual shoved under the original two, and a Choir organ made up of used > Wurlitzer pipes and chest. Now, the Wurlitzer chest had been in > somebody's garage, and was full of termites. They ended up having to > tent the entire large Gothic church at tremendous expense. > > The relays were so scrambled that it was anybody's guess what would come > on when you depressed a stop-tab. But the funniest thing was that the > air leaks were so loud, the choir used the opening of the swell shades > as a signal to stand up! > > The Rector finally boarded over the access to the chamber and swore not > to spend another penny on the organ. Sure enough, it caught fire the > following Easter. It was eventually replaced by one of the last > Aeolian-Skinners, which burned a number of years later in a disastrous > fire that destroyed the whole church (the fire had nothing to do with > the new organ). I understand the rebuilt church now has a fine Harrison > & Harrison from England. > > When I was in Cleveland in the sixties, there was an "organ-builder" who > allegedly preyed on older RC churches. He would "rebuild" their organs, > allegedly stealing about half the pipes; then he would build another > church a "new" organ, using the allegedly stolen parts. When I saw his > name associated with the rebuild of the great 5-manual E.M. Skinner in > Public Hall, I shuddered. I say "allegedly" because nothing was ever > proven and no action was ever taken, at least to my knowledge. > > I don't know what the solution is, other than for organists to educate > themselves about organ-building and learn by examination and > conversation which builders to trust. In matters of rebuilds, I would > think the Journal of the Organ Historical Society and Alan Laufman at > Organ Clearing House would be good resources ... also the two American > associations of pipe organ builders (whose alphabet soup I can never > remember). > > Organists are sometimes guilty of imposing their particular tastes on a > congregation whose liturgy and tastes may not match their own. There are > multitudes of ways to clean up and refurbish romantic organs from the > earlier part of this century that don't violate the basic design of the > instruments ... conservative rescaling of pipework, replacing Aeolines > and Dolces with 4' or 2' stops VOICED TO FIT THE REST OF THE INSTRUMENT, > cleaning and regulating the reeds, etc. A lot of these instruments > suffer from neglect as much as any deficiency in design. All too often, > we see noble old Skinners, Mollers, Austins, etc. disfigured by > "breaking-glass" upperwork that doesn't go with ANYTHING. > > You get what you pay for ... a conservative rebuild of a > mechanically-sound romantic instrument is a better long-term investment > than some overblown "all-purpose" scheme that will probably end up doing > NOTHING well. If you can afford a fine new organ, by all means go for > it, but most of us can't. > > Cheers, > > Bud Clark > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: From: Antoni Scott <ascott@epix.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:26:53 -0500   Hi Don:   Do you have Bach on the Biggest. I would be interested .     Antoni Scott   Don G. Pribble wrote: > > I started collecting LP organ records in the early 50's and have around > 200 or more. Naturally I haven't bought any LPs since the advent of CDs. > Now in my twilight years, I don't feel that I want to leave all these > records for someone else to dispose of. I never play them anymore so why > not pass them on at a very reasonable price to those who are collectors. > > All are in good to excellent condition. I also have about 50 to 100 > other classical LPs. For the organ discs I'm asking $3.00 each and for > the orchestral $2.00. > > How do I handle this? There are too many to list titles and too many to > try to ship, so here's my suggestion: I live in Golden Valley, the first > subburb west of Minneapolis. Any of you who can drop by and pay me a > visit can brouse through the collection and take what you want. My phone > is 612-546-2484. Give me a call and tell me approximately what time you > will be here. The one who makes the first reservation will get first > crack. I live on Hwy 55, about 4 miles west of Mpls. > > I hope you will agree that this a fair way to handle this. > > Don Pribble in Minneapolis. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: fly-by-niters From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:34:42 -0500   Hi... A friend (and I) were bitten by the fly also. I installed a 2/ 9 Wurli in my friend's house. EVERYTHING on the instrument played. My friend finds this guy to install solid-state second touch. Fine. (I guess) This guy proceedes to tear apart the Wurli and add all sorts of unwanted ranks, disconnects all the traps and percussions, just a total mess. Where the new Tuba 8 and Cello 8 came from, I don't even want to know. My friend has no organ knowledge, and had no idea what this guy was doing up in the chambers--other than what he was hired to do. I was out of town for several weeks, and had no idea what was going on back here (home). Well, I got back, and shot thru the roof. I was aware of this guys reputation, but my friend wasn't. The poor Wurli has only four ranks playing on it, and sounds like a pump organ. The fly-by-niter disappeared..........and guess who has to put the Wurli back together. Three guesses, and the first two are wrong. Live and learn, they say.   Rick V.        
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Don G. Pribble" <donprib@juno.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:46:14 -0600   Antoni,   Yes, I found Bach on the Biggest and will send that to you. You may keep the disk for the return of a CD, as you offered. No charge.   Now send your postal address.   Don   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing distraction... From: CymbaleIII@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:14:53 EST   In a message dated 2/2/99 8:52:19 AM Central Standard Time, steve@organman.com writes:   << I'm thinking about getting a tux made out of Kevlar. The Lemonheads are bad enough, but if they ever start throwing the Jawbreakers I'm a dead man! Yup, and better wear a full faced helmut too!   --robin  
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:24:43 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4EF2.734C8780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This is only a kind suggestion: PLEASE, whenever possible, email info intended to a specific party TO that specific party.   Thanks, Robert Eversman   ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4EF2.734C8780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">This is only a kind suggestion: PLEASE, = whenever possible, email info intended to a specific party TO that = specific party. <br><br>Thanks,<br>Robert Eversman<br><br></p> </font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4EF2.734C8780--    
(back) Subject: Re: From: Cliff Benham <cbenham@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 01:26:48 -0500     --------------54DCC15C8E564B086922DD68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Mr. Eversman: Try as I might, by clicking on reply to sender, and/or reply to sender and all recipients, the only address that appears after TO: is Pipechat. I can't get your address to appear. Something in how this list program works? I don't know. So it is not simple, convenient or easy to post privately on this list.   Robert Eversman wrote:   > This is only a kind suggestion: PLEASE, whenever possible, email info > intended to a specific party TO that specific party. > > Thanks, > Robert Eversman       --------------54DCC15C8E564B086922DD68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML> <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"> Dear Mr. Eversman: Try as I might, by clicking on reply to sender, and/or reply to sender and all recipients, the only address that appears after TO: is Pipechat. I can't get your address to appear. Something in how this list program works? I don't know. So it is not simple, convenient or easy to post privately on this list.   <P>Robert Eversman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>This is only a kind suggestion: PLEASE, whenever possible, email info intended to a specific party TO that specific party.</FONT></FONT></FONT>   <P><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Thanks,</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Robert Eversman</FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp; </BODY> </HTML>   --------------54DCC15C8E564B086922DD68--    
(back) Subject: Verdi scholar From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:49:54 EST   Deal Listers, do we have a Verdi scholar in the bunch? I need some advise on triple as opposed to dotted rhythms in Verdi's Don Carlo. thanks for your help. Danny Ray