PipeChat Digest #695 - Monday, February 8, 1999 Re: Children/organs by "Frank Johnson" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Kids and organs by "Chris Mullen" <email@example.com> Re: Kids and organs by "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Children/organs by "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Re: Questions about practice... by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Conte concert by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <email@example.com> The real criteria - Sounds good, works well !! by "Paul F. Stapel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Children/organs/Give 'em a chance! by <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Introduction to the Organ by "Bob Conway" <email@example.com> San Francisco organ info by "Nick Grbac" <NickGTV@webtv.net>
(back) Subject: Re: Children/organs From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Frank Johnson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:13:27 -0600 >I seem to remember long ago one children's choir rehearsal was devoted to the >organ. The organist turned the light on inside so we could see the pipes >through the grille cloth. He brought out a couple of different pipes and blew >them so we could see what made the sound. This was all accompanied by simple >yet complete descriptions of how the organ worked. Then I believe we filed by >the console to see it in action, and then one at a time were allowed to peek >into the swell box. It was the first time many of the kids saw anything but >the facade of the organ. It wasn't an introduction to playing, but at least an >introduction to appreciation. >Brent Johnson >The Organ Web Ring >http://home.swbell.net/bmjohns/organ.htm >email@example.com > Thank you very much. That sounds wonderful. As far as most youngsters know, there are just huge speakers behind that grill cloth. Again, thank you. I'm going to do something at our church! Frank Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156
(back) Subject: Re: Kids and organs From: "Chris Mullen" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:56:43 PST Does anyone have any advice for these children who are so incredible? > >My own experience was that of such frustration of wanting to play the >organ but being held back by fear of others that I would damage my >piano technique. I want to do the very best for this exceptional >student. By all means, ENCOURAGE HIM!!!! We need more students like that in the world. I remember the first time I played the organ, I didn't think I could ever do it again but knew I would. My parents didn't think I could learn to play, but here I am, 11 years later, in college as a church music major. And it won't ruin his piano technique, it didn't mine. Chris Mullen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(back) Subject: Re: Kids and organs From: "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:17:06 -0600 (CST) At 09:40 PM 2/7/99 -0500, Sand Lawn wrote: >I have my first "prodigy" piano student ... 6 years old and has=20 >studied for three months now. He has better hand coordination than=20 >many of my 12 year old students and can read almost anything I put in=20 >front of him. Last week when we were working on a hymn, he turned to=20 >me and said, "This would be better on the organ." As I teach in the=20 >sanctuary we went up to the organ, I hoisted him onto the bench where=20 >he played "Fairest Lord Jesus" perfectly. The look on his face made=20 >me know he is hooked for life, .... I hope. At the end of each=20 >lesson, I plan to allow him to play one hymn on the organ. Does=20 >anyone have any advice for these children who are so incredible? > >My own experience was that of such frustration of wanting to play the=20 >organ but being held back by fear of others that I would damage my=20 >piano technique. I want to do the very best for this exceptional=20 >student. I was at school with a student like that. I don't want to mention his name, but he was a direct descendent of a well-known eighteenth-century English composer for the organ (well, that rules out Handel and Stanley who didn't have any offspring!) I guess it must have been in the genes. Anyway, at the age of 13 (the youngest he was big enough to reach the pedals) he played C=E9sar Franck's *Pi=E8ce Hero=EFque* FROM SIGHT. He went on to a= distinguished career as a professor of medicine, though he still plays the organ and piano for pleasure. John.
(back) Subject: Re: Children/organs From: "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:23:26 -0600 (CST) At 09:05 PM 2/7/99 -0600, Brent Johnson wrote: > >I seem to remember long ago one children's choir rehearsal was devoted to the >organ. The organist turned the light on inside so we could see the pipes >through the grille cloth. It doesn't help that we hide a lot of our pipe organs in chambers behind grille cloth. If more people could see the pipes, perhaps more people would be interested in the instrument. Most people today think the console is the same thing as the organ. It isn't. Even electronics have speakers, though of course they hide those behind grille cloth too <g> John.
(back) Subject: Re: Questions about practice... From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:50:34 -0500 I spend two hours a week practicing on a pipe organ at one church, mostly learning new music, whereas I play an electronic on the weekends at my regular church position with some practicing there. Have 3 weekend Masses, one with choir and two with separate cantors, a weekly evening choir rehearsal, and average a funeral a week with another cantor. Spend average two hours a week on preparation time at home plus about 9 hours a week at the church. I meet once a month with the pastor to plan the hymns and liturgical aspects of the music, for about two hours. Extra Holy Day Masses and special services, wedding planning and playing are not included in this time period. This is a part-time position, I have several other part-time jobs, and do a lot of volunteer work, mostly organ-related. I was doing almost as much music except for one service on Sundays instead of two when I worked a 40 hour week as a nurse, now retired from full-time nursing. Judy Ollikkala
(back) Subject: Conte concert From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:50:39 -0500 I heard an incredible organ concert this afternoon at Trinity College Chapel, Hartford CT. on the Austin there. Organist was Peter Richard Conte, who is organist at the Wanamaker Organ in Philadelphia PA. Program: Paean S. W. Oliphant Chuckerbutty (I kid you not) (1884-1960) Night on Bald Mountain Modest Mussorgsky (1839-1881) (transcribed for organ by Peter Richard Conte) Prelude in G Minor, Op. 23 No. 1 Sergei Rachmaninoff (1873-1943) (transcribed by Gotfried Federlein) Aria Firmin Swinnen (1885-1972) Sunshine (Toccata) F. Swinnen Intermission Concerto in G Major Johann Ernst Allegro (1696-1715) Grave transcribed by J. S. Bach Presto Elfes Joseph Bonnet (1884-1944) The Sorcerer's Apprentice Paul Dukas (1865-1935) (transcribed for organ by Peter Richard Conte) He gave himself, the organ, and the audience all a workout!! The last piece had to be seen as well as heard to be believed!! Go see and hear him play if he is anywhere near you.
(back) Subject: The real criteria - Sounds good, works well !! From: "Paul F. Stapel" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:05:18 -0500 Regarding the regular notes I see on this chat line regarding Toasters, sounds, etc..... It is apparently true that electronics/digitals are continuing to win the majority of contracts in churches and other places...Why?? A nationally known organist once confided in me that "if it sounds good I really don't care HOW the sound is made".. of course, making it sound "good" is quite a challenge no matter which mode is used... therefore, not all toasters can be judged by that title.. To toot the trompette of one of our long time American organ building companies, may I call your attention to at least one manufacturer which has joined the "enemy" rather than battle, ... WICKS is making any combination of digital/pipe you want including all pipe or all digital -- using the now well known Walker technologies plus adding their own considerable expertise to produce instruments that are competitively priced and "sound" good... and they even give a 10 year warranty!! And have you heard about the institutions who are now "cloning" their fine pipe organs digitally so they can give more time to the people who need to practice for their recital on the too busy Main Instrument?? The digital boys are now copying the pipes verbatim and building identical consoles.. neat trick and they CAN do it!! scarey, eh?? Paul Stapel Paul F. Stapel, 607 773 1495, FAX 607 772 6501, 58 Murray St., Binghamton, NY 13905-4525 Organist First Church of Christ Scientist - 1930's Kimball, small but fine! Piano Instructor, Beginners and intermediates Sales Director -most of up-state New York for the WICKS Organ Company of Highland, Illinois Resource for Servicing of WICKS instruments Broker Associate - Bronson America, Realtors 607 773 1495 Piano/Keyboard Sales - Hesse Music, Johnson City, NY 607 797 7177 Kawai, Technics,
(back) Subject: Re: Children/organs/Give 'em a chance! From: PipeLuvr@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:29:14 EST In a message dated 2/7/99 10:25:12 PM Central Standard Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: << It doesn't help that we hide a lot of our pipe organs in chambers behind grille cloth. If more people could see the pipes, perhaps more people would be interested in the instrument. >> What a timely post! This very afternoon I was checking out a new shipment of pipes for my "home" theatre organ project (Kimball 8', 4' Tibia Clausa, and Kimball 8' Vox) when my 10 year old niece and 9 year old newphew with his new 9 year old friend stopped by the garage. Now you have to understand, normally when this group shows up, I close the storm shutters and "batten down" the hatches! But . . . the kids were in "awe" of the pipes which I had laid out in order. A 100 questions immediately popped out which I did my best to answer. Holding my breath, I took the time to let each kid pick up a small Tibia wood pipe and blow into it to hear the sound. Again, you have to understand we're talking about kids who could wreck a crowbar! My heart was racing until I saw how "reverent" the children each picked up a pipe and softly blew into it. More questions . . . and the next thing I new I was inside on the Rodgers (sorry, folks) and showed them "kinda" how the Tibia and Vox would sound when fully installed. Worth the time? YOU BET . . . Worth the risk? YOU BET . . . and they even helped me re-pack the pipes after my inventory was completed ! ! ! It brought home MANY of the lessons from the posts of the last few days - we have to give children a chance to satisfy their curiosity if this music form is to continue. Best wishes, Bob Acker Allen, TX.
(back) Subject: Introduction to the Organ From: Bob Conway <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 02:40:47 -0500 It seems to me that the way in which I was introduced to the organ (some 60 years ago!) was rather different to most of you. I sang in the local church choir, St. Matthews, London, and Dr. Boulter, the Organist and Choirmaster had a hand blown organ to play. Each Sunday one of the choir boys was given the task of blowing the organ for Matins and Evensong. This was no honour, for the boy who got to do the job was the boy who, in the Orgnists opinion, mis-behaved himself the most during the previous Sunday's services! This was not such a bad thing, for one got to read the comics in the organ loft, as well as the opportunity of leaving him with only just enough wind for "Onward Chrisian Soldiers" - or even better, "For All the Saints", and hearing him bellow "More Wind, damn you, - more wind"! However, in my case, it didn't make me particularly want to actually play the organ, but gave me a life long interest in the "mechanics" of an organ. I went on to be a Mechanical Engineer, and a part-time singer, ( there always was a shortage of tenors in England in the fifties and the sixties), and now that I am retired I am able to listen to my favourite instrument on recordings. The process gave me an insight into the way things worked! My thoughts are thet those of you who have the opportunity to introduce the organ to small children should take it with both hands and let them at it! Bob Conway CFRC-FM Classics Director, (retired) Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
(back) Subject: San Francisco organ info From: NickGTV@webtv.net (Nick Grbac) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:17:40 -0800 (PST) Hi: Could anyone shed any light on the background on the II/8 in the organ loft of St. Anne's of the Sunset in San Francisco, CA ? (I'm told they currently use an Allen near the sanctuary.) My understanding was it might've been a Kimball "box organ" and might've been maintained at one time by Schoenstein & Sons. FWIW, it had a few distinctive features: cast iron swell shoe and crescendo pedal in the shape of a "shoe," 30-note pedalboard, several inter- and intramanual couplers on the great, and perhaps the worst, whiny vox this side of the Mississippi. As I remember, the only noteworthy ranks were the 8' Open Diapason and the 8' Gamba. (My apologies to those outside the Bay Area.) Thanks in advance, Nick Grbac NickGTV