PipeChat Digest #720 - Wednesday, February 24, 1999
 
Brahms question
  by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
"growing church question" UPDATE
  by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
Re: Brahms question
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
musical offering
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Jane Parker Huber Hymn
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Jane Parker Huber Hymn
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: "growing church question" UPDATE
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Larry Phelps, R.I.P.
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
RE: candles
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: candles
  by "Shane Hecker" <shanehecker@earthlink.net>
Re: hymns (was "candles")
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: hymns (was "candles")
  by "J. S. Van Der Stad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99
  by "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net>
"Shape-Note" Hymns and Hymnals
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: shape notes
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Fw: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Buzard Organ at St. John the Divine, Champaign, IL
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
 


(back) Subject: Brahms question From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:13 -0600   I'm in the process of preparing a short program for a Study Club event.   I've played a few Brahms' Preludes in the past, nothing major. But, I dove into "Herzlich tut mich erfreuen" which is translated, "With Joy I Await the Lovely Summertime."   Does anyone have any program info on this particular Prelude, or Brahms' Chorale Preludes, in general? My resources are limited.   Also, the edition I have has no tempo markings, just a few dynamics. And there are no registrations given.   I think I've settled on the registrations, but, still perplexed about the tempo. Any suggestions?   Thanks.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99 From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:07:45 -0500     Jim Swist wrote...   <<Must be one of them there newfangled happy-religion-feel-good churches. In the Palm Sunday gospel Christ rides into Jerusalem on a donkey, and rides out in a Mercedes (crucifix in tow in a U-Haul trailer).>>   And of course He received the Mercedes because He sent all of His money to Brother Jimmy-Bob! :)   (Ducking and Running...)    
(back) Subject: "growing church question" UPDATE From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:53:00 -0600     UPDATE:   Met with Mr. Redman this past week and discussed possible alterations to the organ, as we plan our new Sanctuary.   We agree that we will need to revoice the instrument, probably increasing wind pressure, to fatten it up for a 350-400 seat room.   It is not physically possible to add any additional ranks to the existing case. It would be possible to replace ranks, but, not add them without considerable expense, and basically rebuilding the entire organ. (darn, there goes my celeste and trompette) :)   Basically, all we will need to add will be a larger blower. That's assuming that the building committee will listen to me when I discuss this with them. I'm already preparing myself for the "crap-it", ummm, I mean "carpet" coalition that thinks carpeting everything is what God wants for this church.   BTW, our Redman Organ, Op. 10, will be celebrating it's 25th birthday next year....   Respects, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark Reeves, Director of Music, Organist First United Methodist Church Canton, Texas +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Redman Organ (Op. 10, 1975 * 2/21) - - http://www.angelfire.com/tx/FUMCMusicOrgan/organ1.html FUMC-Canton Homepage - - http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Contact me by ICQ: - - http://wwp.icq.com/3522392        
(back) Subject: Re: Brahms question From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:13:49 -0600   the Biggs edition has a wonderful introduction to this collection of preludes   Robert   ---------- From: mreeves@vzinet.com To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Brahms question Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:41 AM   I'm in the process of preparing a short program for a Study Club event.   I've played a few Brahms' Preludes in the past, nothing major. But, I dove into "Herzlich tut mich erfreuen" which is translated, "With Joy I Await the Lovely Summertime."   Does anyone have any program info on this particular Prelude, or Brahms' Chorale Preludes, in general? My resources are limited.   Also, the edition I have has no tempo markings, just a few dynamics. And there are no registrations given.   I think I've settled on the registrations, but, still perplexed about the tempo. Any suggestions?   Thanks.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: musical offering From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:18:40 -0600   I have the following items I wish to donate to a student who is on a tight budget:   100 last verses by T Tertius Noble (a classic)   and   15 Pieces for Organ founded on Anitphons by Dupre   and   Jesu Joy for organ arranged by Biggs     Please message me directly at highnote@mhtc.net and tell me what you want. I will pay the postage too.     Robert Eversman Mineral Point WI      
(back) Subject: Re: Jane Parker Huber Hymn From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:01:21 EST   Hi list:   Does anyone have a source for the Jane Parker Huber hymn: "Christ, You Give Us Living Water?" Thanks! Lynda Alexander Palo Alto  
(back) Subject: Re: Jane Parker Huber Hymn From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:02:16 EST   In a message dated 2/23/99 11:14:31 AM Central Standard Time, Hitkmus@aol.com writes:   << Does anyone have a source for the Jane Parker Huber hymn: "Christ, You Give Us Living Water?" >>   Dear Lynda,   You may wish to try this book: Joy In Singing , Jane Parker Huber, PCUSA, Louisville, KY, 1983.   I'm not sure it's in that book... since I don't have it... but it's probably worth checking into.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: "growing church question" UPDATE From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:17:44 -0500 (EST)   Congratulations, Mark. Believe me, there is life without Celestes! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Larry Phelps, R.I.P. From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:37:43 -0600   --============_-1292302229==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"   Folks,   Although this has appeared on a couple of other lists no one has mentioned it on PipeChat so I am forwarded to the list a copy of a posting that was forwaded to me this morning concerning Larry Phelps death.   David   *************************************************************************** Dear Artists and On-line Friends:   This is a note to let you know that Gillian Weir's husband, Larry Phelps, died last evening at a hospital in Boston, of double pneumonia. He was 75 years old. There will be a private funeral, probably this Thursday, with a possible memorial service to be held in late March or in April. I will let you know about the latter when I have more information.   Gillian has been in Boston for almost two weeks, so was with Larry throughout his illness, but she will not be there after this coming Saturday morning. If you wish to write to her, it will be best to use her UK address which is as follows: Dame Gillian Weir 78 Robin Way, Tilehurst Berkshire RG3 5SW, UK   I know it will mean a great deal to her to hear from you.   Best, Karen McF --============_-1292302229==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"   Folks,     Although this has appeared on a couple of other lists no one has mentioned it on PipeChat so I am forwarded to the list a copy of a posting that was forwaded to me this morning concerning Larry Phelps death.     David     ***************************************************************************   <smaller>Dear Artists and On-line Friends:     This is a note to let you know that Gillian Weir's husband, Larry Phelps, died   last evening at a hospital in Boston, of double pneumonia. He was 75 years   old.   There will be a private funeral, probably this Thursday, with a possible   memorial service to be held in late March or in April. I will let you know   about the latter when I have more information.     Gillian has been in Boston for almost two weeks, so was with Larry throughout   his illness, but she will not be there after this coming Saturday morning. If   you wish to write to her, it will be best to use her UK address which is as   follows:   Dame Gillian Weir   78 Robin Way, Tilehurst   Berkshire RG3 5SW, UK     I know it will mean a great deal to her to hear from you.     Best,   Karen McF</smaller>   --============_-1292302229==_ma============--  
(back) Subject: RE: candles From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:46:48 -0800   Shane, BEHAVE! (grin)   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: candles From: "Shane Hecker" <shanehecker@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:05:55 -0600   Thought you would like that. Hey, it's true. Btw what type of songs do you like playing? I may be getting old before my time, but I like the church hymns like At the Cross at the Cross, The Old Rugged Cross, Holy Holy Holy, to name a few. A couple favorites are Because he Lives and He Hideth my Soul.   Shane   -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: RE: candles     >Shane, BEHAVE! (grin) > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns (was "candles") From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:39:42 -0800       Shane Hecker wrote:   > Thought you would like that. Hey, it's true. Btw what type of songs do you > like playing? I may be getting old before my time, but I like the church > hymns like At the Cross at the Cross, The Old Rugged Cross, Holy Holy Holy, > to name a few. A couple favorites are Because he Lives and He Hideth my > Soul. > > Shane >   I've played them all ... from stomp-down southern Gospel to Solemn High Mass. I like the really OLD songs like "What Wondrous Love Is This?", "Sunset to Sunrise", "Cross of Jesus, Cross of Sorrow" ... I did a lot of research at one point into the old "shape-note" hymnals they used to use for all-day singing with dinner on the grounds in the South.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: hymns (was "candles") From: "J. S. Van Der Stad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:02:27 -0500   Bud Perhaps you could share with us your research on "shape-note" hymnals, If I understood your posting properly. My question is: WHY were these notes shaped???? To this day, NO ONE has been able to answer that question for me. Mr. Vanderstad   Bud/burgie wrote: > > Shane Hecker wrote: > > > Thought you would like that. Hey, it's true. Btw what type of songs do you > > like playing? I may be getting old before my time, but I like the church > > hymns like At the Cross at the Cross, The Old Rugged Cross, Holy Holy Holy, > > to name a few. A couple favorites are Because he Lives and He Hideth my > > Soul. > > > > Shane > > > > I've played them all ... from stomp-down southern Gospel to Solemn High Mass. I > like the really OLD songs like "What Wondrous Love Is This?", "Sunset to > Sunrise", "Cross of Jesus, Cross of Sorrow" ... I did a lot of research at one > point into the old "shape-note" hymnals they used to use for all-day singing > with dinner on the grounds in the South. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99 From: "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:11:22 -0600     -----Original Message----- From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com> To: - (052)pipechat(a)pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 1999 8:05 AM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99     > >Jim Swist wrote... > ><<Must be one of them there newfangled happy-religion-feel-good churches. In >the Palm Sunday gospel Christ rides into Jerusalem on a donkey, and rides >out in a Mercedes (crucifix in tow in a U-Haul trailer).>> > >And of course He received the Mercedes because He sent all of His money to >Brother Jimmy-Bob! :) > >(Ducking and Running...) > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     I would like to know why this sort of "stuff" needs be on a chat line of organists, choir people, organ builders, etc. ? ? ?   We all work in churches or have some sort of church connection. Most of those church connections would be to Christian Churches of one denomination or another.   What ever happened to respect? Respect of Christ Himself, and those of us who love Him?   I do not like to see joking about things like the plan of salvation. Keep your blasphemous jokes to yourself. Yes, some of us still DO believe in the suffering, death AND ressurection of Christ. Some of us still DO believe in the Eucharistic Presence.   Any more dumb joking about those things that are central to the Christian faith and I will sign off for good ! ! !   D J Radanovich, Milwaukee, a believer in the Great Spirit AND Its Son.    
(back) Subject: "Shape-Note" Hymns and Hymnals From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:31:53 -0800   As late as the early 1950s, the Baptist and Methodist hymnals, and the much-beloved Cokesbury Worship Hymnal were available in shape-note editions. The Southern Baptist Sunday School Board has continued to reprint the Sacred Harp Harmony, the most famous and widely-used of the shape-note hymnals.   The shapes denote pitches in the sol-fa system. So singers could learn to sing by simply learning the various shapes for doh-re-mi, etc., without having to learn to read music. Most of the hymnals had extensive "singing schools" in the front explaining the system, and itinerant "singing-masters" traveled the South teaching shape-note singing.   BUT, the seven-shape system (used in a few hymnals) never caught on. I don't have a Sacred Harp at hand, but it worked something like this (normal solfege syllables in parenthesis, Sacred Harp not):   (doh) - fa (re) - sol (mi) - la (fa) - fa (sol) - sol (la) - la (ti) - ti   I don't remember offhand how they distinguished between the (doh) fa and the (fa) fa, but they did.   Performance practice was to sing the piece through first in solfege syllables, then with words. The top line was sung by half the sopranos and half the tenors; the alto line was sung by half the altos and half the basses; the tenor line (the melody) was sung by the other half of the tenors and the other half of the sopranos; the bass line was sung by the other half of the basses and the other half of the altos. So the resulting texture was rather thick.   In three-part writing, the high and low voices were distributed equally among the three voices.   No accompaniment was used; the tuning forks of famous shape-note directors were treasured and passed down from generation to generation. All the singers beat time along with the director.   There are still Sacred Harp conventions in the South, usually "All Day Singing With Dinner On The Grounds" ... shape-note singing was in danger of dying out until the resurgence of interest in folk music in the 1960s, when a whole new generation discovered the unique style of singing.   The tunes are mostly modal; many can be traced to English and Scottish folk songs (and a few to medieval chants); singing through the nose (as probably practiced in the Middle Ages) is cultivated. The resulting sound is like nothing on earth (grin) ... the vocal equivalent of bagpipes, perhaps. The sound carries for MILES.   There are a few recordings available ... until fairly recently, shape-note singers tended to be suspicious of "flat-land furriners", and only the ethnomusicologists who actually lived among them for many years managed to gather much of the lore associated with shape-note singing. Predictably, the purest practitioners are to be found in the back country of the Appalachian Mountains, where the 18th century Scotch-Irish dialects are still spoken in remote pockets.   The part-writing is remarkable ... lots of open fourths and fifths ... some pieces sound positively medieval.   A few tunes have passed into our hymnals: Wondrous Love, Sunset To Sunrise (Kedron), Cross of Jesus, Cross of Sorrow, Shepherds Rejoice, Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing, Brightest and Best (Star in the East), etc., but sanitized of their parallel open fourths and fifths and with the melody moved to the soprano.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: shape notes From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:41:38 -0000   Notes in the "shape-note" hymnals were in different shapes depending on their pitch. Like maybe all "do"s were round, all "re"s were diamonds, all "mi"s were square, all "fa"s were filled in squares, and you get the general idea. They would warmup by singing the tune on the syllables - I guess everyone could do "so-fa",. then they would sing the words. Evidentally a fun time was had by all.   JOHN        
(back) Subject: Fw: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99 From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:46:13 -0500   AMEN MR. RADANOVICH.............   R. Veague.     -----Original Message----- From: Dominic Joseph Radanovich <rpob@aero.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 11:13 PM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99     > >-----Original Message----- >From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com> >To: - (052)pipechat(a)pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 1999 8:05 AM >Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #719 - 02/23/99 > > >> >>Jim Swist wrote... >> >><<Must be one of them there newfangled happy-religion-feel-good churches. >In >>the Palm Sunday gospel Christ rides into Jerusalem on a donkey, and rides >>out in a Mercedes (crucifix in tow in a U-Haul trailer).>> >> >>And of course He received the Mercedes because He sent all of His money to >>Brother Jimmy-Bob! :) >> >>(Ducking and Running...) >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > >I would like to know why this sort of "stuff" needs be on a chat line of >organists, choir people, organ builders, etc. ? ? ? > >We all work in churches or have some sort of church connection. Most of >those church connections would be to Christian Churches of one denomination >or another. > >What ever happened to respect? Respect of Christ Himself, and those of us >who love Him? > >I do not like to see joking about things like the plan of salvation. Keep >your blasphemous jokes to yourself. Yes, some of us still DO believe in >the suffering, death AND ressurection of Christ. Some of us still DO >believe in the Eucharistic Presence. > >Any more dumb joking about those things that are central to the Christian >faith and I will sign off for good ! ! ! > >D J Radanovich, Milwaukee, a believer in the Great Spirit AND Its Son. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Buzard Organ at St. John the Divine, Champaign, IL From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:16:12 -0800   I just received the CD "From Byrd to Britten: An English Organ Music Retrospective" of the new John-Paul Buzard organ in the English romantic style.   It's been a long time since an organ reduced me to tears, but when the English Tuba came in with the melody in Davies' "Solemn Melody" ... oh my!   Buzard is an Anglo-Catholic, and a communicant of the very Anglo-Catholic Chapel of St. John; his wife is the organist; so he thoroughly understands what an Anglo-Catholic organ has to do in an Anglo-Catholic Mass. He commented that every organ-builder should have to build in his home parish so HE will have to live with the sound, Sunday by Sunday, year by year.   What a SUMPTUOUS sound! I just had a long conversation with Grant Chapman about how most modern voicers had lost sight of the VOCAL aspects of pipe-voicing, PARTICULARLY principal stops. Well, here's an organ that SINGS. Stoplist and pictures at:   http://www.buzardorgans.com/opus/opus7-list.html   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT From: Tom Hoehn <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:06:37 -0500   Mark your calendars:   FEBRUARY 28, 1999 The combined choirs of Christ Presbyterian Church in Largo, FL and Trinity Presbyterian Church in Clearwater, FL will be performing the Requiem by John Rutter in ENGLISH. Also being performed will be THE HEAVENS ARE TELLING (HAYDN) and the World Premiere of A GATHERING OF PSALMS by Dr. Robert M. Newell.   The combined choirs will be accompanied by chamber orchestra and organ in two performances of the above mentioned works on Sunday 2/28/99 at 3:00 pm in the Sanctuary of Christ Presbyterian Church in Largo and at 7:00pm in the sanctuary of Trinity Presbyterian Church in Clearwater with a reception following the 7:00 pm performance.   Both concerts are free, tickets are not required, a free will offering will be taken. Mark your calendars for this afternoon or evening of music on the Central West Coast of Florida.   Y'all come!   Tom Hoehn, Organist Trinity Presbyterian Church Clearwater, Florida