PipeChat Digest #669 - Sunday, January 24, 1999
 
Re: New Church-Old Organ
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Auto Cad program for Pipe Organ Design
  by "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net>
Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
(no subject)
  by "Travis Evans" <tle6399@seward.cune.edu>
Re: Haskellizing bass pipes
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: New Church-Old Organ
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: New Church-Old Organ
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins
  by "Nelson and Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net>
Re: Growing church question....
  by <WRansomeJr@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: New Church-Old Organ From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:44:24 -0500   You said it! Unfortunately, your church has had its round of "crooks" in their midst. Who dismantled and reassembled the organ? If I were the buuilder, no offense, I would either have charged at least double that amount and revoiced it, or told the church to get lost. Why did they rebuild with such a skimpy sanctuary anyway? I wish more like you could tell us good lessons like that. What has failed so far, though, is to keep "fly by night" organ builders' hands off what could be otherwise beautiful pipe organs when they are built by a professional. This may not exactly relate to your posting, but I have atendency to speak my mind. Mr. Vanderstad   Jason D. Comet wrote: > > I have lived (and still do) with an insturment that was a beautiful, > original C.E.Morey organ for Bethany UM Church in Watertown NY that has > been butchered, battered, torn apart, and badly voiced, and not taken > care of in a new church. The new building was abuilt 16 years ago, by a > now-lost-licesned pastor instead of replacing the ceiling beam in the > other building. The sanctuary had a 25' ceiling, a 75'X125' floor, and a > reverb time of about 3.5 seconds, and a beautiful,oak hardwood flooring, > with a smooth, solid plaster wall and a beautiful plaster ceiling with > ornate plaster statuets in the chancel. This was all replaced with a > santuary with a 16' ceiling, a 40'X75' floor, with carpeting up half the > walls and the floor, with a sound absorbing drywall ceiling. The JERKS > that decided to rebuild, thought the organ would be fine. The organ > builder talked them out of it many times. The committee finally decided > a rebuilt would do it. Their idea of a rebuild is taking it apart and > puting it back to gather again. The organ builder is now retired, but > charged the church about $12K for it to teach them a lesson. (personally > know the guy) And now, the church is deciding to close for several > important reasons. So, I am going to purchase the insturmetn (as soon as > I get the new console from Roc--Hint,Hint!) > > The organ is not at all in balance with the room. Let this be a lesson > to all of you. > > Jason Comet > Junior in High School > bombarde8@juno.com Begining Driver - Get off the streets! > |\ Organist/Choir Director > | | 2/13 C. E. Morey/Knapton/Raville organ > O 7 member choir > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:32:21 -0600 (CST)   At 07:11 AM 1/23/99 -0500, Jason Comet wrote:   >My dream is to own a log home with a pipe organ. The only questions I >have are what type of action to use, and what should the case look like?   If you take the log cabin business seriously you will presumably not have electricity, so your instrument will need to have either tracker or tubular pneumatic action. The case work should look rustic, and the trackers might be made of twigs, although they will need to be carefully dried to avoid warping.   John.    
(back) Subject: Auto Cad program for Pipe Organ Design From: "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:43:25 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE4719.680A1BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Can anyone suggest a good CAD program for WINDOWS 95-98?   Used to be somebody in the Carolinas offering "OrganCad" in Diapason or = AGO magazine. Haven't seen this ad in a long time. Any ideas???   D J Radanovich   Radanovich Pipe Organs, Milwaukee   ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE4719.680A1BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Can anyone suggest a good = CAD program=20 for WINDOWS 95-98?</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Used to be somebody in the = Carolinas=20 offering &quot;OrganCad&quot; in Diapason or AGO magazine.&nbsp; Haven't = seen=20 this ad in a long time.&nbsp; Any ideas???</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>D J = Radanovich</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Radanovich Pipe Organs,=20 Milwaukee</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE4719.680A1BC0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:48:51 -0800   One also presumes that the bellows will be driven by a water-wheel in the adjacent stream ...   John L. Speller wrote:   > At 07:11 AM 1/23/99 -0500, Jason Comet wrote: > > >My dream is to own a log home with a pipe organ. The only questions I > >have are what type of action to use, and what should the case look like? > > If you take the log cabin business seriously you will presumably not have > electricity, so your instrument will need to have either tracker or tubular > pneumatic action. The case work should look rustic, and the trackers might > be made of twigs, although they will need to be carefully dried to avoid > warping. > > John. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: From: Travis Evans <tle6399@seward.cune.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:11:45 -0500 (CDT)   I'm curious to find out how many people are familiar with Dr. Charles W. Ore, and his music.   Travis Evans   tle6399@seward.cune.edu   "When I hear music, I fear no evil"    
(back) Subject: Re: Haskellizing bass pipes From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:21:58 EST     On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:28:04 -0600 Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> writes:   > >Do yuou think we could haskellize my Allen digital > >Jim H >> Ah, the concept of the "Klipschorn" (TM) speaker systems !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:26:42 -0600   John L. Speller wrote:   > If you take the log cabin business seriously you will presumably not have > electricity, so your instrument will need to have either tracker or tubular > pneumatic action. The case work should look rustic, and the trackers might > be made of twigs, although they will need to be carefully dried to avoid > warping.   Say, wasn't that one Wicks was working on going into the D.Crockett home or something to that effect? Wouldn't that be a log home as well?   I like John's advice, Jason. But, it wouldn't be complete without the bare wirecloth cage to keep small animals out of the twig trackers...hehehe. (Couldn't resist!) But, here in Alabama, that WOULD be a real problem...even inside...   krc    
(back) Subject: Re: New Church-Old Organ From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:43:43 -0600   Jason D. Comet wrote: > > I have lived (and still do) with an insturment that was a beautiful, > original C.E.Morey organ for Bethany UM Church in Watertown NY that has > been butchered, battered, torn apart, and badly voiced, and not taken > care of in a new church. The new building was abuilt 16 years ago, by a > now-lost-licesned pastor instead of replacing the ceiling beam in the > other building. The sanctuary had a 25' ceiling, a 75'X125' floor,   Ah yes. The local FBC did that in effect. They had a little 6 or 8 rank Estey in the perfect sanctuary. They, being who they are, decided to replace the sanctuary where it stood, with a new, larger sanctuary. The new sanctuary is a perfect setting for an organ; with wonderful acoustics. BUT, they decided to take the little Estey, and simply ADD ANOTHER ESTEY!?! Yes, they added another complete, independant organ, and bought a new Reisner console and Peterson relay to control it all. They simply labeled the old organ the "Great" and the new organ the "Swell." There is a pedal 16' st.flute in each organ, as well as the diap, strings, seperate blowers, solo stops, other foundations, unified flutes, etc... Each division could be a seperate organ by itself. But, the funny thing is, they supposedly "bought a new organ." They sure did, and "added it to the old one" without talking to Estey about it first... I've never before or since seen a church use this method to upgrade. EVER. From what I hear, the new Estey has a seperate opus number, and the builder that did the "meshing" was given the new Estey console made for that organ for his own disposal... But, there is no way to be sure because the chambers probably wouldn't open for the President of the U.S. if he demanded to see the pipes.   Also, they placed the organ over the rear entrances, and concealed it behind Mellotone... It's funny now. You can look into the chamber housing the "old organ," and there is a "golden diapason" looming over the rest of the ranks. They just stuck the facade in like it was nothing... The organ now has a very small sound, and doesn't support the congregation. But, you can't tell from the back (or front, whatever), but away from it, in the front (or back) of the sanctuary, you can hardly hear it. No one will tell admin because they are afraid heads will roll for causing "stress in the workings of the church."   I like my "Wicks over the chancel" just fine. Faces the nave, and everybody hears it...whether they want to or not...   krc    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:48:28 EST   Hi JC and list: Expanding on a theme,,,,since its a log cabin, and probably no electricity, I would have EP action, action current could be provided by storage battery recharged by use of a solar panel, a 12V car battery should do fine, AND, if the solar panel were big enuf--a modest amount of console and pedal lights could be provided as well......now,,,on to the tuffie!--wind!!! I would locate the log cabin near to a source of falling water. Plan #1 would utilize a small overshot water wheel a crank arrangement to pump feeder bellows and a old timey large reservoir arrangement. Plan #2,,and more elegant, would utilize a hydraulic ram at the bottom of a waterfall to pump water to the cabin under pressure, and I would use a water motor attached to the feeder bellows to pump up the reservoir. Plan #3 would utilize a HUGE array of solar panels,,,charging storage batteries by day (when JC is out maintaining other pipe organs) and running a regular Spencer Orgoblo by direct current motor. Surplus wind from the Spencer could be used to fan the fire in the fireplace so that dinner could be cooked more quickly,,,or run a large ceiling fan in the great room,,,said fan being an old Austin tremolo fan One would play the organ until the pitch started to drop noticibly,,signifying that the batteries were nearly discharged and the dc motor was beginning to slow down, providing an automatic method of telling when to stop practicing. All these machinations are really not much different than a church of the 1870's that used a water motor to pump their tracker organ, it used no outside current,,and most churches were exempt from paying for water,,so the organ power was free. Has anyone on this list ever seen a water motor for feeder bellows in the flesh so to speak???   Regards, --Roc ( who still loves to dream)  
(back) Subject: Re: New Church-Old Organ From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:35:42 EST   KRC and list- The Estey Organ Company of Brattleboro Vermont has been out of business for over 30 years. How would it be possible for them to a)build a new console, or b) assign a new opus number?   Regards, --Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs and Log Cabins From: Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton@cgocable.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:12:12 -0500   > Has anyone on this list ever seen a water motor for feeder bellows in the > flesh so to speak???   I've seen one in Sarnia Ontario that was reasonably intact but not working. I took some photos of it and someday i'll add them to my website.   Nelson  
(back) Subject: Re: Growing church question.... From: WRansomeJr@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:09:18 EST   In a message dated 1/23/99 12:02:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, mreeves@vzinet.com writes: > We are an old church, with a 2 manual, 21-rank, tracker pipe organ. The > organ is 25 years old and produces adequate volume for our present > Sanctuary.   I gather from other posts that the organ is a Redman. I'm sure it is a very good organ. I too agree that you should attempt to keep the organ as it is. 21 Ranks ought to be fine just about anywhere. But there are things you can do to make the organ fill a bigger space. Usually rescaling the major stops (principals, flutes) by adding a few larger scaled pipes in the bass and cutting the others to the correct pitch can drastically improve the sound of an organ. It is often also possible to make a few judicious additions or substitutions to bring an organ up to date. Talk to the builder. He will help.   One other suggestion - if for some reason the present organ won't fit or you simply have to have an electric action instrument: talk to Alan Laufman at Organ Clearing House. He can probably help you sell the tracker to someone who wants just that type of organ, and he can probably help you find just the instrument to suit your needs. Perhaps a more American Classic style of Aeolian Skinner, or a romantic slushy tub by Austin or Moller.   However, I bet you stick with what you have. It will be much less expensive to modify it in its present configuration and you will still have the luxury of mechanical action!   R.