PipeChat Digest #679 - Wednesday, January 27, 1999
 
Re: I need support...
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
RE: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...)
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...)
  by <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Re: Haskelling pipes and Theatre Organs
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Tracker Touch keyboards
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: I need support...
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Hymnal, liturgical guide
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Hymnal, liturgical guide
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Re: I need support...
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Another One Bites The Dust!!!!!
  by "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net>
Schweitzer-Widor?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Specs for Trinity Episcopal, New Orleans, needed
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!!
  by "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com>
Re: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!!
  by <Butler425@aol.com>
RE: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!!
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Schweitzer-Widor?
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!!
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
RE: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!!
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Timely Topics
  by <WRansomeJr@aol.com>
Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Opinion on use of CCM in church.
  by <John4pipes@aol.com>
RE: Opinion on use of CCM in church.
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Opinion on use of CCM in church.
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Re: Opinion on use of CCM in church. X posted.
  by <John4pipes@aol.com>
Re: Auto Cad program for Pipe Organ Design
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: I need support...
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: I need support...
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: I need support... From: Cheryl C Hart <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:40:16 +0000   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 27th January 1999     When I think of 'contemporary' worship I think of 'happy clappy': this is a classic example of 'dumbing down' (songs being constant repetitions of a simplistic, trite single line, and the Liturgy reduced to the lowest common denominator of language).   Happy clappy/evangelical tends to focus on the emotions. Emotion is not a good foundation for faith - it can be unreliable and shallow. A deep, abiding faith has to be established on something more than feelings - surely faith is believing, not 'feeling'. True faith enobles, and refines, and one thirsts for knowledge. It seems to me that 'contemporary' is almost the complete antithesis.   Yes, emotion is important: a spine-tingling choir and/or organ/organist, a sermon which is food for thought, the peace of the place, worshipping with like-minded people . . . but it is an enriching and enobling experience, not a fleeting 'high'. I am not decrying the evangelical/happy clappy, etc, because it obviously meets a need, but it appears to me to have no 'meat' - and did not Christ say, "Feed my sheep"? By all means START those who are new to faith on a simple and easy limited diet, if that is what they want, but those who want or need more should not be forced to endure the same meagre diet. It would be soul-destroying for me, as an organist and a Christian, if I had to endure such a diet, with no opportunity to 'grow' the music or a separate service - and I would leave. No one in a situation where there is no alternative service should feel guilty for leaving - think of your own soul, and leave the clergy and the congregation to their anorexia.     Cheryl - flameproofed in England ;-)     http://www.copemanhart.co.uk      
(back) Subject: RE: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...) From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:29:40 -0500   Mark:   The term "contemporary" is an artificial term that really has no defineable meaning. For some people it means John Rutter; for others it means Glory & Praise; etc.....   To me worship is worship and I select resources from all sources that will state and reenforce the teaching focus of the service.   Dr. Charles Brown   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Mark Hopper > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:10 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...) > > > Dr. Brown: > > If you'll notice, I put the word "contemporary" in quotes in my original > post. I share your sentiments exactly, but this has come to be > the accepted > term for this particular style of worship. > > And yes, thank you, I have grown up. > > Mark Hopper > mahopper@bigfoot.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Brown <clmoney@cybernex.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 10:26 AM > Subject: RE: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...) > > > >With regard to the subject of "contemporary worship"; will > somebody please > >define for me what is meant by "contemporary worship or music"!!!! > > > >Based on the criteria of the discussion perhaps we should throw out the > >music of John Rutter or, for that matter, anything written past a certain > >date (whatever that date might be) > > > >This is silly!!!!! > > > >In point of fact every period of music as well as every style of > music has > >good and bad in it. In addition, there is good music that gets > treated very > >badly which, I suspect, is what makes a lot of it get called bad. > > > >In fact I have heard a lot of contemporary music, > even...gasp...folk-style > >music....performed beautifully and with a great deal of inspiration. > > > >At one time even our most tried and true old-fashioned worship was > >"contemporary worship." At one time even our biggest war-horse > pieces were > >"contemporary music." At one time even dear old JS himself was > >contemporary!!!!!!!!! > > > >Lest we forget, even Christ, the person who putitively this > whole thing is > >about, was new, contriversial, and challenging to contemporary thinking. > > > >I am tired of people in this profession standing on the podiums declaring > >what is acceptable. If they are not for the challenge maybe they should > quit > >and find other means of making a living. > > > >GROW-UP!!!!! Music evolves!!!! Worship evolves!!!!!! Art evolves!!!! > > > >Do you have to like all of it??? NO!!!!! but...that does not > mean that as > >soon as a new idea comes forth..or someone like a minister wants to try > >something, we run for the hills and quit in protest!!!!! > > > >I can't wait for the flames I am going to get on this one!!!!!!! > >Expected....and usual!!!!! > > > >Dr. Charles E. Brown > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:05:09 -0600   I didn't know Oscar Peterson played organ, but why would I be surprised? Has he ever recorded on organ? I have an extensive collection of the piano stuff, but this item of trivia has eluded me.   That is one man I would pay dearly to see in action - he is phenomenal. I once said he was the only other man I would ever marry. Of course, I once had a crush on Rudy Serkin and Barry Douglas! Do either of them play the organ?   Regards,   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...) From: ROBIN88866@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:18:06 EST   In a message dated 99-01-27 08:10:40 EST, you write:   << didn't know Oscar Peterson played organ, but why would I be surprised? Has he ever recorded on organ? I have an extensive collection of the piano stuff, but this item of trivia has eluded me.>>   He has not recorded extensively on the organ----just a cut here and there on his albums. He normally used a Hammond B-3 so he told me.     <<That is one man I would pay dearly to see in action - he is phenomenal. >>   I have heard him several times live. Heard him once in San Francisco in a hotel showroom----our table was about a foot and a half from the right hand end of the piano!! Talk about a ring side seat!! Incredible, for sure.     Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: Haskelling pipes and Theatre Organs From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:49:02 -0500     >What is your definition of "portable"? Re: portable Theatre Organ >(maybe >electronic), but I have to disagree if you are referring to a real >pipe >organ. Been there, done that!!!!!!!!! (Not flaming son, just >curious)     -*-*-*-*-*- The instrument would be designed after Reginal Foort's organ: all pipes, percussion, Console, Trem's, Several 15hp blowers on 220/3ph, etc...     Jason Comet Junior in High School bombarde8@juno.com Begining Driver - Get off the streets! |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/13 C. E. Morey/Knapton/Raville organ O 7 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Tracker Touch keyboards From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:28:35 -0500     >Magnetic tracker touch keyboard parts are available from Organ Supply >Industries. http:/www.organsupply.com. and probably some other >manufacturers as well. Some keyboards might not be suitable for >conversion >so it's wise to talk things over with them as to the specs for your >keyboards and your needs. Another solution is to use their "spring >type" >tracker touch on the keyboards. The effect is the same but it might be >another solution if magnetic touch won't work. If well regulated the >tracker touch is a crisp feel that does help with giving mushy >keyboards a >tactile touch.   *-*-*-*-*-* I don't know about the new keyboards. Can you install magnets on existing keyboards?   jc   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: I need support... From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:29:31 -0500   Good for you, Cheryl, these are my sentiments also.  
(back) Subject: Hymnal, liturgical guide From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:00:47 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_01BE49DB.E9A199A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Does anyone know where I can order a liturgical guide to be used for the selection of hymns and service music for the UCC (United Church of Christ) Church?   Thanks Robert Eversman highnote@mhtc.net ------=_NextPart_000_01BE49DB.E9A199A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">Does anyone know where I can order a = liturgical guide to be used for the selection of hymns and service music = for the UCC (United Church of Christ) Church?<br><br>Thanks<br>Robert = Eversman<br>highnote@mhtc.net</p> </font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BE49DB.E9A199A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymnal, liturgical guide From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:10:59 EST   The short answer is "No."   But my guess is that the books for just that purpose used in any denomination using the Revised Common Lectionary will do the job for you very well.   Tell me if that is the case for you, and I'll dig out the name and publisher of a neat guide for you--which you'll have to adapt to your specific hymnal, but will find a huge resource nonetheless.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: I need support... From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:43:35 EST   Dear Cheryl,   No one has said it better...bravo!!! By the way, my term for "happy-clappy" is "The wonder bread hour." Please everyone get your hands on and read "Reaching Out Without Dumbing Down" by Marva Dawn. Marva is a contemporary (as in 20th Century, living today) Lutheran Theologian and as a good friend of hers, I can say, she is a living saint.   Lynda Alexander Palo Alto  
(back) Subject: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!! From: Barry H Bodie <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:02:31 -0500   Looks like another one bites the dust. The loss of Martin Neary from Westminister Abby was a great loss, but the loss of Colin Walsh from Lincoln Cathedral will be of even greater magnitude for the organ world. For those of you who do not know him, Colin Walsh is a superb recitals and a gentleman beyond reproach. One cannot help believe that the fetid outcropping of litigation and legal machination which has plagued the USA for far too long is now rearing its ugly head in the UK. Quoted from this morning's issue of The Times:   A choirmaster at Lincoln Cathedral has stepped down from musical duties after a choirboy complained of suffering mental abuse. The Dean, the Very Rev Alec Knight, has set up an independent inquiry into the allegations against Colin Walsh. The current allegation of "mental cruelty" was brought to the attention of the cathedral by the boy's school. Dean Knight took over only recently after many years of bitter in-fighting. The former Dean, Dr Brandon Jackson, resigned at the request of the Archbishop of Canterbury.     Barry H. Bodie, M.D. Western Carolina Urological Associates Brevard, NC bbodie@infoave.net    
(back) Subject: Schweitzer-Widor? From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:18:17 -0500   A friend asks: "Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall arrangements of Bach "Schweitzer-Widor". Did they know each other or did Widor simply carry on some of his approaches?"   Anything to this?   Randy Runyon Dept. of French, Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Specs for Trinity Episcopal, New Orleans, needed From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:31:23 -0600   I am begging again - I am need of the specifications for the Redman organ housed at Trinity Episcopal, New Orleans, ASAP. I talked to Albinas Prizgintas Monday night and he was to fax them to me, but I know he has probably forgotten. I seem to remember that they were posted in an edition of TAO sometime between 1992-1996, but it was before I was a member and I don't access thereto. Trinity has no website that I've found, and the site referencing Redman listed only the organ at the owner's (church's) website.   If someone has them, would you please forward them to me by email today? I would be much appreciative.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton    
(back) Subject: Re: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!! From: "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:06:30 PST   Perhaps he should look into the Catholic Church....   Unfortunately, in America, if there is one thing we seem to be accused of knowing, it's how to altar boys....   Steve   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!! From: Butler425@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:13:10 EST   Why do I keep getting stupid email not regarding ANYTHING having to do with ORGANS?????? People, if you're communicating with another person on NON ORGAN matters, USE EMAIL, not the PIPECHAT list.   GEEZ Read the rules!!!!!  
(back) Subject: RE: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!! From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:04:32 -0700   > Why do I keep getting stupid email not regarding ANYTHING having > to do with > ORGANS?????? > People, if you're communicating with another person on NON ORGAN > matters, USE > EMAIL, not the PIPECHAT list. > > GEEZ > Read the rules!!!!!   Cut & Pasted directly from the rules you so stridently refer to:   11. Members of this list are allowed to wander off topic provided what they have to say is interesting or humorous.   14. What to post? Anecdotes.... sadnesses.... joys.... Anything you feel comfortable posting. You will soon pick up if the list is going to respond to your topic.   16. What not to post! Items that have nothing at all to do with PipeChat and its guidelines--e.g. Virus warnings, Test messages, Chain letters, Church matters that are not music related or topics that are better dealt with by other lists.. If you feel uncertain as to the content of any email, please send it to the Admin address and we will guide you as to wether we feel it should be posted or not.   17. Finally, this is a place to enjoy yourself, feel relaxed about music, pipe organs, theater organs, church organs, electronic organs and church music. Make the list what you want it to be. And LOTS of HUMOR PLEASE :)   Now, which of those rules do you feel was ignored?   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Re: Schweitzer-Widor? From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:10:43 -0800   Not precisely ... Widor was Schweitzer's teacher. They collaborated on an urtext edition, published by G. Schirmer. After Widor's death and a VERY long interval, the chorale-preludes were finally issued, edited by Schweitzer and Eduard Nies-Berger (?). It's back in print, but in a nasty reduced edition that's much harder to read, at least for us old folks.   Bud   Randolph Runyon wrote:   > A friend asks: "Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall > arrangements of Bach "Schweitzer-Widor". Did they know each other or did > Widor simply carry on some of his approaches?" > > Anything to this? > > Randy Runyon > Dept. of French, Miami University > Oxford, OH 45056 > runyonr@muohio.edu > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!! From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:27:41 -0800   Better yet, join Organchat, where you can talk about anything you want to, as long as it doesn't scare the horses. BTW, it seems to me the firing of a major cathedral organist has a great DEAL to do with organs and organists, IMHO.   Bud   Butler425@aol.com wrote:   > Why do I keep getting stupid email not regarding ANYTHING having to do with > ORGANS?????? > People, if you're communicating with another person on NON ORGAN matters, USE > EMAIL, not the PIPECHAT list. > > GEEZ > Read the rules!!!!! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: Another One Bites The Dust!!!!! From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:30:02 -0500   How does the firing of a major cathedral organist NOT relate to an organ chat room?   Based on the tenure of the conversaton on here the last few days, perhaps we should start a new thread called Logic and Reasoning 101!!!!! It seems to be a as highly disregarded as "contemporary worship and music!!"   Dr. Charles E. Brown    
(back) Subject: Timely Topics From: WRansomeJr@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:00:41 EST   I have been a lister with pipechat on and off for a good while. There are times when the flow of messages is almost dead for days, and then 1 or 2 significant items will really get people talking. As I see it:   Churchs/Church music are really what keeps PIPE organ builders in a job, so that seems a reasonable topic for discussion.   Keeping young organists interested in the Church Music profession will keep (hopefully) the organ's role in church music active and will keep at least some organbuilders in business.   The activities in church positions - the comings and goings, as well as the dismissals help keep us informed, and may help us from making the same mistakes or to know who to watch out for.   Likewise the same topics in the electronic and theatre, as well as home organ world apply. I was very interested in the responses to the topics under discussion and you can always delete them if they don't interest you. There is room for more that the 4 or 5 daily posters on this list. And I hope that we would respect the diversity of opinions shared, as well!   Respectfully,   Randy Terry  
(back) Subject: Re: The Ideal Church Position (Re: I need support...) From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:05:32 EST   In a message dated 1/26/99 11:24:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, mahopper@bellsouth.net writes:   << Scott-you said: "One of the serious problems today is that a masters degree in liturgical music is not preparing us in liturgical music. I am not sure that it ever did. Music training says NOTHING about church politics or dealing with less than realistic clergy." You should check out our Master of Sacred Music Program at Samford University. The entire degree is designed to be nothing but practical. And yes--we spent an entire class last semester on dealing with unrealistic clergy. The Graduate Dean is Paul A. Richardson (Mr. Hymnody himself) and is truly a wise master of sacred music. -Mark >>   Uh- no- I didn't say that. SFF  
(back) Subject: Opinion on use of CCM in church. From: John4pipes@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:35:30 EST   GOD=92S HOLY WORD SAYS: =93They...rejoice at the sound of the organ.=94 Job 21:12 DO YOU? Most church leaders fail to realize that the Lord Jesus not only expects o= ur best, but demands our best in worship. Sad to say, instead we offer him th= e Cain sacrifice, which says: =93this is good enough.=94 Or, we give him hal= f, like Ananias when we could offer him all. No wonder so many worshippers go home uninspired. A pipe organ built by Dutch Craft Organ Builders always inspir= es, and they are not expensive as you may think. Call or write for free video tape. Dutch Craft Organ Builders 11052 West Beach Parkway Lake Wales, FL 33853 Phone: (941) 696-3410 =93Praise him with...the organs.=94 Psalm 150:4    
(back) Subject: RE: Opinion on use of CCM in church. From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:23:29 -0700   > Cain sacrifice, which says: “this is good enough.” Or, we give > him half, like > Ananias when we could offer him all. No wonder so many worshippers go home > uninspired. A pipe organ built by Dutch Craft Organ Builders > always inspires, > and they are not expensive as you may think. Call or write for free video > tape. > Dutch Craft Organ Builders > 11052 West Beach Parkway > Lake Wales, FL 33853 > Phone: (941) 696-3410 > > “Praise him with...the organs.” Psalm 150:4     Oh great! So now if I don't have a pipe organ from Dutch Craft Organ Builders, I'm gonna go to hell?   Get real! God doesn't care if you use a pipe organ or a Hammond -- He sees the heart. This is nothing short of a commercial, and an insult to any sincere church musician.   Dennis Goward Minister of Music St Paul's Lutheran Church Playing An Allen MDS-8, and Still Loves God!    
(back) Subject: RE: Opinion on use of CCM in church. From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:30:45 -0500   Is this the same Dutch Craft Organ Company that was in NJ...If you are...that is where you escaped too!!!!!!!   Dr. Charles E. Brown Owns an Allen Rennaisance 4-manual    
(back) Subject: Re: Opinion on use of CCM in church. X posted. From: John4pipes@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:08:30 EST   Dear Friends, I realize an apology may be appropriate. What I neglected to mention is that I was asked to post this by a friend of mine, so I copied his entire ad to the posting. I am only using it to emphasize what I feel is the most unrealized fact about contemporary church music. It is not intended in any way to bias against electronic or pipe organs, or to be a "mine is better than yours" posting. No, you are not going to hell if you only have an Allen or Hammond, God looks at the hearts, I agree (a reply to someone on the list who emailed me privately). Also, and most importantly, the posting was not intended to be some type of commercial or advertisement- I will keep in mind not to do this in the future. John   In a message dated 1/27/99 7:34:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, admin@pipechat.org writes:   <<snip>>   > I need to ask you to refrain from these commerical postings crouched as > replys to one of the threads on this list. We have no problem with your > doing a one-time posting introducing yourself and your products, which you > have done already, but beyond that postings of this type are not allowed. > We have several organ builders on this list who are respected by the other > members for their knowledge and input on various topics. But in none of > their postings do they come out with such a commerical message as you have > just done. > > If you are not willing to drop these postings we will be forced to remove > your address from the list and to add your address to our "spam" file. > > **************************************** > David Scribner > Co-Owner / Technical Administrator > PipeChat > 850-478-9635 > david@blackiris.com >  
(back) Subject: Re: Auto Cad program for Pipe Organ Design From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:23:15 EST   In a message dated 99-01-23 22:45:25 EST, you write:   << Used to be somebody in the Carolinas offering "OrganCad" in Diapason or AGO magazine. Haven't seen this ad in a long time. Any ideas??? D J Radanovich >> It was Alan Ontko of Ontko & Young. in Charleston Sourth Car... but it doesn't work with windows. It needed a specific version of Generic CADD to work.   Rick M Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: I need support... From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:46:55 -0600   Mark Hopper wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I did participate in this "battle" for five months and made > no headway whatsoever.   Hey Mark,   Sometimes we have to cut our losses. It is too bad when people in authority refuse to bend with those who are trying to remain with what has worked.   Jim H      
(back) Subject: Re: I need support... From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:49:53 -0600   Mark Hopper wrote: > > Thanks, Dennis. I agree completely. Style is not an issue for me--quality > and theology are.   Dennis and Mark;   And this is what it is all about. Too often stylistic gets us away from God and focuses on the performer. If you can go back a few months to preludes, postludes and showing off, that topic revolved around the organists who refused to budge.   Jim H