PipeChat Digest #683 - Saturday, January 30, 1999
 
Re: Happy Clappy, etc.
  by "William Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
Read this out loud
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
remembering Latin
  by "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net>
MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927
  by "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net>
Songs on the walls!
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Songs on the walls!
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Songs on the walls!
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Songs on the walls/User friendly bulletins
  by <WRansomeJr@aol.com>
Re: MP Moller opus 4920, ca 1927
  by "J S VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Songs on the walls/User friendly bulletins
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
The Writing on the Wall
  by "MR SAND   LAWN" <KWQT65A@prodigy.com>
Re: Songs on the walls!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Songs on the walls!
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Fw: The Writing on the Wall
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RE: Songs on the walls!
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Songs on the walls!
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Happy Clappy, etc. From: William Morton <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:19:44 -0800   At 04:57 PM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: I guess I am outta touch with the >"modern day" world. Would one suppose that along with the wall projection, >one would also get the "bouncing ball" to follow the words, and does this also >suppose that the organists music rack is a computer screen that has the notes >for the hymn being shown on it,,along with time elapsed since it >began,,,projected amount of time till the currently being played tune >ends,,,etc. etc. =   Amen, amen. Are churches really using projected hymns these days?   But there is no need for the computer screen at the console---it can be directly connected to midi to drive the organ at the (varying) speed that the congregation sings. With suitable enhancements it could even vary the pitch to accomodate the varying congregational waver..... The mind boggles.....   < W J Morton wjm@pacbell.net > No trees were harmed by the production of this message; however, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced.  
(back) Subject: Read this out loud From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:48:33 EST   This arrived in my mailbox this morning..... Just had to share it.   Vicki     From: Tom Ervin <ervint@U.Arizona.EDU> Try reading this out loud... You can Telemann by where he likes to live. I just Toch a trip Orff into one of the Wilder areas Faure Wieck, and to be Verdi Franck, it nearly drove Menotti. I know opinion Varese, but even Vivaldi urban noises, the Bizet traffic, De Falla engines, as well as knowing there are Mennin the streets Callas enough to knock your Bloch off. I couldn't resist the urge to Galuppi home early Satie, and I Haieff to say I Still prefer the Mitropoulos. The Boyce were Sor that I had Gibbons up and succumbed to the Riegger of the Field so easily, but I don't give a Schuetz. I was practically Krein from my Severacs and Pains brought on by that brief time in the countryside! Even the sounds got my Dandrieu up; let me Liszt some of them: the Rorem of the wind, a constant Birtwhistle, the Menuhin of the Katz, the Lipatti-Patti-Glinka-Poulenc of the Reiner on the roof, the Gluck-Gluck of the hens, and every morning a woodpecker or some Byrd Chopin holes in a Tree. My only company was a Thorne Busch, a Partch of poison Ives, a Braun Babbit, and sometimes a Wolf, nothing Moore. For a Forrest Grainger it may be Fine - it may be the Katz Milhaud -- but I could have died of Borodin. A friend suggested my making this Tureck; "Abegg" his pardon, but I will never go Bach to those Gotterdaemmerung Hillis. They Suk! No, I don't care for the Ruggles life. I like a good Mehul - a little Suppe, some Szigeti, maybe some Salome at my local Taverner with a little lime Schubert after (even if they don't always clear the Crumbs off the table). And I like to Locatelli while I'm Eaton Maderna at night. Is that asking for Egk in Meyerbeer? Nono! So many people Berio themselves under a Holst of problems they know they can't Handel. Their answer is too Offenbach to nature - into Haydn, it seems to me. I Karajan a d'Indy life in the Berg for the most Paert. Maybe it isn't Perle Bliss for everybody, but it's Godunov for me. >>  
(back) Subject: remembering Latin From: "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:04:20 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE4C40.49956CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   MANY years ago when I was in seminary we were taugh a couple of rhymes = in Latin/English with Latin endings, etc. There is one that I wish I = could remember the whole thing because it was so darn clever. It goes:   "Johnnybus findibus cookibus jarem . . ."   If anyone knows this piece please get it to me, as it has been missing = from my adult life for 45 years now!   The other one that I do remember is this:   "Ville, Ville, sedem go, fortibus es inero, Vat es indem de es dux. O no Ville, de es trux!   I be Offenbach Witmore!   radanovich   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE4C40.49956CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>MANY years ago when I was in = seminary we=20 were taugh a couple of rhymes in Latin/English with Latin endings, = etc.&nbsp;=20 There is one that I wish I could remember the whole thing because it was = so darn=20 clever.&nbsp; It goes:</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&quot;Johnnybus findibus = cookibus jarem=20 .. . .&quot;</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If anyone knows this piece = please get it=20 to me, as it has been missing from my adult life for 45 years=20 now!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The other one that I do = remember is=20 this:</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&quot;Ville, Ville, sedem=20 go,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>fortibus es = inero,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Vat es = indem</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>de es = dux.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>O no = Ville,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>de es = trux!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I be Offenbach=20 Witmore!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>radanovich</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE4C40.49956CE0--    
(back) Subject: MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927 From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:20:53 -0500   Hello folks, I just returned from looking at the M. P. Moller organ I posted about recently. The console is located in the dining room of the house. The organ itself is upstairs, and speaks through a grille in the living room ceiling. Here's the list of ranks: 1. 16' Leiblich Gedeckt, 44 pipes (pedal) 2. 16' Bourdon, 96 pipes-- 16' Bourdon 8' Stopped Diapason 4' Flute D'amour 2-2/3' Flute twelfth 2' Piccolo 3. 8' Salicional, 61 pipes 4. 8' Vox Celeste, 49 pipes 5. 8' Diapason, 61 pipes (DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR) 6. 8' Oboe 7. 8' Vox Humana   Anyone have any idea how much it's worth? I have to let them know soon If I want it or not. Console innards are shot, bellows are shot, chests are shot, except for 16' Leiblich bourdon chest (surprisingly enough) Moller Kinetic Blower- 5" static wind  
(back) Subject: Re: MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927 From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:57:44 EST   In my opinion,,,its worth whatever small amount you can get it for. Theres a LOT of this stuff floating around the eastern parts of the US, and, usually in the fore described condition as well!! Experience has told me that residential organs are harder to remove than church/concert organs. If it were me, and the Moller is located bout 35 miles from my home,,,I would offer $500.00 for a starter, one can always go up,but its VERY hard to come down. As a for instance----A 2/12 Estey,,,completely releathered 3 years ago, church installation, easy access for trucks to load, playing with no dead or ciphering notes right up to the final fuse removal from the blower mains----$500.00 buyer to remove,,,as is,,where is.   Regards, --Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927 From: "Dominic Joseph Radanovich" <rpob@aero.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:34:33 -0600     -----Original Message----- From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> To: pipeorg-l@cnsibm.albany.edu <pipeorg-l@cnsibm.albany.edu>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, 30 January, 1999 2:19 PM Subject: MP Moller opus #4920, c.a. 1927     >Hello folks, >I just returned from looking at the M. P. Moller organ I posted about >recently. The console is located in the dining room of the house. The >organ itself is upstairs, and speaks through a grille in the living room >ceiling. >Here's the list of ranks: >1. 16' Leiblich Gedeckt, 44 pipes (pedal) >2. 16' Bourdon, 96 pipes-- > 16' Bourdon > 8' Stopped Diapason > 4' Flute D'amour > 2-2/3' Flute twelfth > 2' Piccolo >3. 8' Salicional, 61 pipes >4. 8' Vox Celeste, 49 pipes >5. 8' Diapason, 61 pipes (DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR) >6. 8' Oboe >7. 8' Vox Humana > >Anyone have any idea how much it's worth? I have to let them know soon >If I want it or not. >Console innards are shot, bellows are shot, chests are shot, except for >16' Leiblich bourdon chest (surprisingly enough) >Moller Kinetic Blower- 5" static wind > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   ============================================================================ =========================   I would agree with others in saying don't offer more than $500.00 for the Moller organ. Consider what all you have to do and how much time and money and muscle you need in order to restore it. You may be able to repair pipes yourself, but if you have to send them out it's costly. I f you have to replace the principal, more money. You can't go wrong with a low offer. You can always increase bit by bit, but that probably wouldn't be necessary. Most $500.00 offers that I have made for similar situations have been accepted.   good luck DJRadanovich, Milwaukee    
(back) Subject: Songs on the walls! From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:56:42 EST   GRSCoLVR@aol.com recently wrote:   <snip> WORDS projected on WALLS???????? OMG! I guess I am outta touch with the   "modern day" world. Would one suppose that along with the wall projection,   one would also get the "bouncing ball" to follow the words, and does this also   suppose that the organists music rack is a computer screen that has the notes   for the hymn being shown on it,,along with time elapsed since it   began,,,projected amount of time till the currently being played tune   ends,,,etc. etc. <snip>   Just goes to prove that, like the theatres in which the "bouncing ball sing-a- long" originated, it is just a really, really big show!!!   Wonder when they will start selling popcorn and sody pops in the vestibule????   Coming attractions proclaim a "NEXT SUNDAY - Sensational reading of John 3:16 starring Pastor Fuzz"???   What next????   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: Songs on the walls! From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:45:12 -0800   At 06:56 PM 1/30/1999 EST, KriderSM@aol.com wrote: > GRSCoLVR@aol.com recently wrote: > > <snip> WORDS projected on WALLS???????? OMG! I guess I am outta touch >with the "modern day" world.<SNIP>   No surprise there. The "fundie" churches have been doing things like this for quite awhile now. Maybe it's becuase the "fundies" either don't know what a hymnal is, or, if they do, maybe the "Fundie Bundys" in attendance keep stealing them. Who knows??? WHO CARES?   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Songs on the walls! From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:52:38 -0600 (CST)   At 06:56 PM 1/30/99 EST, you wrote:   > <snip> WORDS projected on WALLS???????? OMG! I guess I am outta touch with >the > >"modern day" world.   The only church where I have experienced this is at an Episcopal Church a few miles from here. (This is the same church that Kevin Cartwright's pipe organ came from. They no longer use an organ for their services, and use electronic keyboards, synthesizers, guitars, etc. I would say Kevin got the better end of the deal.) The hymns are projected onto the front wall of the church with an overhead projector. This came as something of a cultural shock to me, but I suppose one might get used to it in time. Now the type of music they use is not particularly to my taste, but the one thing I did think that it was helpful about it was that there was no danger of anyone burying their noses in their hymnals. They only project the words, and I think it would help a lot if they projected the music as well. As it was the standard of singing did not seem at all good compared with churches with hymnals (and organs.)   John.    
(back) Subject: Songs on the walls/User friendly bulletins From: WRansomeJr@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:58:00 EST   In a message dated 1/30/99 4:32:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, desertbob@truelink.net writes:   > The "fundie" churches have been doing things like this > for quite awhile now.   A question for other Episcopalians and such out there. We have our prayer book, right? The parish I currently serve prints the WHOLE service, short of the hymns, and calls it "user friendly." Even the Eucharistic music is printed out. It is quite a publication, very attractive, etc. It is about five 8-1/2x14 sheets double sided. I do it each week and it is lots of work.   My real question is - what of those who come into this parish, and never get hands on experience with the Prayer Book - not to mention all the waste - we run about 10,000 copies a month! and they get used for an hour and thrown out!   Don't get me wrong, I am very proud of this as a publication - it is user friendly and impressive. However, my sense is eventually to move them back to a regular one pager "road map" type bulletin.   Randy  
(back) Subject: Re: MP Moller opus 4920, ca 1927 From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:29:48 -0500   No.... I never tried to releather a Moller chest, and I certainly do not want to. A friend of mine, who is a (semi) retired organbuilder has made himself available to me to help move out the organ and outfit it with all new electric action chests- the good ones where the valves open up like they should and their mounted on the side of the toeboard, which is about 1-1/2" thick. Good thing is that the organ located less than one hour away from me. How closer would it come to my doorstep? You certainly can say the house was built for the organ, and the organ was certainly built for the house. The full-size console sits in the dining room in its own "cubbyhole"; the organ is installed in the second floor and it speaks through a grille in the living room ceiling. I figured I offer them something to make them happy. One said I should offer anywhere from $1300 to $2500 (i think) but he said I could start at $500. Take into account that the diapason rank is "fit for melting down" and that practically the whole organ would have to be redone- the chests, console, and bellows all need releathering. John   Allan Remsen wrote: > > Dear J S > Have you ever tried to releather a Moller chest? It's very > difficult. You certainly shoul be able to get the organ for $400. > > ---------- > > From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> > > To: Allan Remsen <a.remsen@worldnet.att.net> > > Subject: Re: MP Moller opus 4920, ca 1927 > > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 5:32 PM > > > > actually, I talked to a few trustworthy friends of mine, and I decided > > to offer them $400. All the flutes are wood, they sound beautiful, and > > so do the strings. One friend I talked to said I should offer $100 per > > rank, but I was not going over $500. > > They told me there was another potential buyer, I'm pretty sure it was > > an organbuilder. The scaling of the ranks is SOOOO SSMMAAALLL I doubt he > > would be interested. I just hope they don't break it up. > > > > Allan Remsen wrote: > > > > > > they should give you the damn thing! > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> > > > > To: Allan Remsen <a.remsen@worldnet.att.net> > > > > Subject: Re: MP Moller opus 4920, ca 1927 > > > > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 5:08 PM > > > > > > > > the organ was built in 1927, installed the same year. > > > > > > > > Allan Remsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What year was the organ built? > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > From: J S VANDERSTAD <dcob@nac.net> > > > > > > To: PIPORG-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > > > > > Subject: MP Moller opus 4920, ca 1927 > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 3:24 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > I just returned from looking at the M. P. Moller organ I posted > about > > > > > > recently. The console is located in the dining room of the house. > The > > > > > > organ itself is upstairs, and speaks through a grille in the > living > > > room > > > > > > ceiling. > > > > > > Here's the list of ranks: > > > > > > 1. 16' Leiblich Gedeckt, 44 pipes (pedal) > > > > > > 2. 16' Bourdon, 96 pipes-- > > > > > > 16' Bourdon > > > > > > 8' Stopped Diapason > > > > > > 4' Flute D'amour > > > > > > 2-2/3' Flute twelfth > > > > > > 2' Piccolo > > > > > > 3. 8' Salicional, 61 pipes > > > > > > 4. 8' Vox Celeste, 49 pipes > > > > > > 5. 8' Diapason, 61 pipes (DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR) > > > > > > 6. 8' Oboe > > > > > > 7. 8' Vox Humana > > > > > > > > > > > > All pipework small scale in ok condition, except for 8' diapason > > > rank. > > > > > > Anyone have any idea how much it's worth? I have to let them know > > > soon > > > > > > If I want it or not. > > > > > > Console innards are shot, bellows are shot, chests are shot, > except > > > for > > > > > > 16' Leiblich bourdon chest (surprisingly enough) > > > > > > Moller Kinetic Blower- 5" static wind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > > > > > Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the > individual > > > con- > > > > > > tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of > the > > > Uni- > > > > > > versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send > mail > > > to > > > > > > listserv@albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web > page > > > at > > > > > > http://albany.edu/~piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . > > > > > > > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::  
(back) Subject: Re: Songs on the walls/User friendly bulletins From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:30:28 -0000   I have always enjoyed the "user friendly" bulletins because every visitor to an Episcopal church always mentions trying to juggle 2 books around (at least). And knowing the people, they never look ahead. The church where I belong has put ribbons in the prayer books and the hymnals so that one can premark things. But they usually don't do it.   Also when people mention that at services where hymns are projected on the walls, the singing is not good. Could it be that the people at this service are there to be entertained and would no more think of singing with the group. After all when they went to the rock concert last night, they didn't sing along. Perhaps screamed, but that is expected.   Do any of you have any feeling that the contemporary service is attracting and HOLDING people, or does the congregation shift a lot, maybe checking out something else next week? What is the attendence compared with the traditional service? Hmmmmm.   JOHN        
(back) Subject: The Writing on the Wall From: KWQT65A@prodigy.com (MR SAND LAWN) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:52:05, -0500   I play for a church that maintains a very traditional service. This is a very liturgial Baptist (I know that is an oxymoron) Church that is attracting many people because ot the dignity of the service and the traditional music that is used. We do have a 2/15 tracker organ. We are probably a "nitch" church, but it is nice for people to have the opportunity to worship in a way that they had thought was vanishing. The Contemporary Christian Music churches have their place and serve their people well. I have enjoyed reading all the "happy clappy" messages, and just believe that we all have to find our place and let those who disagree go their way. Their is certainly room in this world for all of us.   Sand  
(back) Subject: Re: Songs on the walls! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:13:28 -0600   ((Disclaimer: I have no hard feelings toward the chrasmatic church. If you are offended by this topic, please delete this mail, not reading it. This is the view of the charasmatic church, coming from the longer established church, commonly refered to by charasmatic members as "ritualistic." These comments are gathered and stated by myself, with resources throughout the Methodist and Episcopal church. I have friends in the charasmatic church, and have no serious feelings against that style of worship.))   I'll have to post a public apology later, so I'll just say "I'm sorry for writing the following" now, so it won't be required later.   BUT: John L. Speller wrote: > > The only church where I have experienced this is at an Episcopal Church a > few miles from here. (This is the same church that Kevin Cartwright's pipe > organ came from. They no longer use an organ for their services, and use > electronic keyboards, synthesizers, guitars, etc. I would say Kevin got the > better end of the deal.)   Heh heh heh...If you REALLY want to get an overdose of this, go find the nearest "shopping center church..." I have family members that go to one, and we were required to suffer through it during a visit one week. Yes, overhead projector and all. Of course, it was "communion Sunday." They brought out leavened bread on paper plates, wrapped under celophane (sp?). Then, "family units" sat together in the folding chairs in front of the folding table, and "partook" in front of the whole church. AND, what conversation did I overhear AFTER the "family units" had been seen, and were waiting for the rest of the church to "get it over with?" They talked about such subjects as what their friends wore to school two days before, and how it clashed with their makeup and shoes... The adults cursed their bosses, and the old people talked about the Antique Roadshow... During the sermon, the preacher commenced to make fun of the Episcopal Church, the Catholic Church, the Pope, then the founders of both the Baptist and Methodist Churches... (At this point, I nearly got up and left.) He called them "...stuck up...too much organization, and not enough organism..." W H A T ????? He then commenced with his "Everyone wants to be comfortable in church...and that's baaaaad..." speech. I almost stood and said "And you're doing a good job proving your point too." Oh, the hymns...VERY well formulated. Here's what you'd see on the overhead:   "Trust in the Lord with all your heart And lean not on your own understanding Trust in the Lord with all your heart And lean not on your own understanding   In all your ways acknowledge Him In all your ways acknowledge Him In all your ways acknowledge Him And He, He will direct your paths"   Yes, the writers *do* get credit and royalties under the claims they created an ENTIRE song... The music score fills 5 pages (about 60 measures) at 98 b/min. Repetitititititititititititition galore. It's just something you'd have to be there to believe.   Uncharismatically,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Songs on the walls! From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:29:31 EST     In a message dated 1.30.99 10:15:10 PM, kevin1@alaweb.com writes:   <<I'll have to post a public apology later, so I'll just say "I'm sorry for writing the following" now, so it won't be required later.>>   Well, Kevin, I'm sure you WILL catch it. In your defense, I'd like to say that, however impassioned your remarks, they were educational for me. I have a real desire to understand the kind of worship that is called "charismatic" (which I do not think is an appropriate word for it). No, I don't have a taste for it, I don't think, but I sure would like to have a better comprehension of it. You have provided some raw material for that. Maybe I need more from another angle. But, speaking just for myself, I'm glad you wrote.   (Yes, I've been to such services--quite a few times. But it was ages ago [1950s], before the new technologies became a factor.)   Thank you.   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: Fw: The Writing on the Wall From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:43:29 -0500   I agree with the statement below. " Make a joyful noise unto the Lord" is what my Bible says...... Rick Veague     -----Original Message----- From: MR SAND LAWN <KWQT65A@prodigy.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: The Writing on the Wall     >I play for a church that maintains a very traditional service. This >is a very liturgial Baptist (I know that is an oxymoron) Church that >is attracting many people because ot the dignity of the service and >the traditional music that is used. We do have a 2/15 tracker organ. > We are probably a "nitch" church, but it is nice for people to have >the opportunity to worship in a way that they had thought was >vanishing. The Contemporary Christian Music churches have their >place and serve their people well. I have enjoyed reading all the >"happy clappy" messages, and just believe that we all have to find >our place and let those who disagree go their way. Their is >certainly room in this world for all of us. > >Sand > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: RE: Songs on the walls! From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:13:27 -0700   > > What next???? > How about tolerance for other ways of worship? Or is that too much to ask in the church?   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: RE: Songs on the walls! From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:14:36 -0700   > > No surprise there. The "fundie" churches have been doing things like this > for quite awhile now. Maybe it's becuase the "fundies" either don't know > what a hymnal is, or, if they do, maybe the "Fundie Bundys" in attendance > keep stealing them. Who knows??? WHO CARES?   Hello Bob.   Just for the record, many Baptist churches use projectors in addition to their hymnals.   Dennis