PipeChat Digest #1002 - Sunday, July 25, 1999
 
Re: Sanfilippo Hopeful Heart concert
  by "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com>
joke
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: joke
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Standards for Professional performers
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: (No subject)
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: National Shrine Full Time Music Position Announcement
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding from HELL
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Riverside Organ Specs............(again)
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: joke
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Standards for Professional performers
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: joke
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: wedding from hell
  by "jeff korns" <jakorns@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Telephone Connectors
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: wedding from hell
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wedding from HELL
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Sanfilippo Hopeful Heart concert From: "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:10:30 -0500   Lyn Larsen's recordings, all of those that were mentioned, can be = purchased by contacting Kerry Hughes at musicon@swlink.net   Ron Rhode also has a recording on the Sanfilippo organ entitled "Deep In The Heart -- Rhode Remembers Romberg". It is probably the best organ = album ever recorded anywhere, anytime. It, too, uses the now famous Bugle Battaglia, which no organ recording can adequately reproduce. Contact Ron for his recordings at roxy@swlink.net       *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********   On 7/24/99, at 7:27 PM, KriderSM@aol.com wrote: >instrument as part of the fundraising efforts. One CD, "Simple Gifts", >stop in any organist's repertoire. It is also called on by Lyn Larsen's CD, >Paradise, in the majestic march when the Phantom Regiment marches at its     >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Margison >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.organman.com >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A "Family Friendly" Website    
(back) Subject: joke From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:14:32 EDT   Hey Bruce,   Why didn't JFK Jr. take a shower before he boarded the plane?   He thought that he'd just wash up on shore :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:40:58 PDT   >We will see what happens tonight... the wedding in scheduled for 5:30 PM >and >I am not playing a note until I have cash in hand and if the wedding >doesn't >start on time I'm gonna open a can of whoop ass and it will not be a = pretty >sight. > >Any suggestions? > >John >   Yeah,   Stopping commuting and move to Houston. Sounds like your Dallas job just isn't worth it. Go luck with your secular job.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: joke From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:36:54 EDT   OOPS....   My apologies to the list for that joke.... I thought that I was sending it =   directly to Bruce... SORRY!!!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:53:19 EDT   In a message dated 7/24/99 9:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time, ray_ahrens@hotmail.com writes:   << Yeah, Stopping commuting and move to Houston. Sounds like your Dallas job just =   isn't worth it. Go luck with your secular job. >>   Actually, I love my church job and they pay me very well... This was just = a rare occurrence and since we are between pastors right now I'm having to = deal with a weak interim. On top of that, the bride only comes to church at Christmas -- so she's not representative of our parishioners at all.   John   John  
(back) Subject: Standards for Professional performers From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:00:12 EDT   All this discussion about degrees and certification is quite interesting. = On a perhaps related thread, what about the situation where a venue sponsors = a performer of national repute who is under management by one of the = prominent concert organizations, pays a rather handsome fee plus expenses, and then said performer turns in a very substandard performance.   Such a situation occurred recently somewhere in the mid-Atlantic region. I =   was not present, and I probably wouldn't have been in a position to judge = the person's playing in a meaningful way. Several highly qualified = professional musicians who were there commented to me -- independently of one another = -- that they were horrified at the poor level of playing by said artiste. I spoke with the organist of said church, who is a longtime friend, and suggested that he relay this information to the artiste's concert = management, but he was reluctant to do so.   Probably anyone can have any off-day, even those of us of modest facility, =   but when a church or other sponsor pays big bucks to present a performer = of some note and said performer turns in a substandard performance, what if = any recourse is there? Professional societies such as medicine and law have procedures for dealing with substandard performance, and there is the = Better Business Bureau for commercial concerns, but why is there no central = source for evaluating or reporting on peformances by concert musicians, other = than when a performance happens to be reviewed in the press.   Is there a need for or a vehicle for reporting on and dealing with such situations among concert organists? Or do you just pay your money and hope =   for the best?   At the same time, let me acknowledge that I could list several recitalists =   who seem to receive nothing but rave reviews from presenters and who consistently give first-rate performances of great musical excellence.   Just curious on a very hot summer night in Washington . . . . Dudel  
(back) Subject: Re: (No subject) From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:06:51 EDT   In a message dated 99-07-22 00:29:50 EDT, rohrschok8@webtv.net writes:   << Every time I have tried to do a mix, the CCM people want more and more and more >>   How true! I direct music for the Traditional 9:30 service at my church. = 55% of the people attend that service. They hire a very talented musician to lead the music for the 11 a.m. contemporary service which 45% of the congregation attends. Everybody is happy....at least for 10 months of the year! For the months of July and August a "blended" service is in = effect. I thought the happy clappy people were too dominant so I timed the service =   music and found that the music wanted by only 45% of the people accounted = for 70% of the music in the blended service!!! Someone did come up to me = before the service last Sunday and say that he wondered if I agreed that there = was too much contemporary music. He said he and his wife had dinner with six church couples last week and ALL complained that there was too much contemporary music. Fortunately he is an elder and I suspect there will = be significant changes in the next few weeks. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:14:39 -0400 (EDT)   First things first, at our church, the fees are paid 2 weeks ahead or they start hearing from me (they know that when we meet).   Secondly, I attend rehearsals for member weddings (and usually non member, too), but it's more for MY benefit, not theirs (so I can judge how long to play--in other words, so I do my best). But, if I have something else come up, I skip rehearsals. My former pastor wanted me there, my present one isn't bothered if I'm not.   Thirdly, we have a wedding booklet that stipulates (among other things) how wedding parties will act on our premises. We can even refuse to do a wedding if someone in the party has alcohol on their breath--our church is THAT strict.   Fourth, I don't begin the prelude music until the bride's limo (or trolley, or horse, or whatever) enters the church grounds. Brides know this too.   Your pastor ought to get on his knees and ask the Lord how he can be a better time manager, leader, whatever. That is completely inexcusable, when you have to drive from South Texas to North Texas for a silly rehearsal. With this experience and with the distances, try to bag rehearsals (particularly if the pastor does the wedding the same way everytime)   I'm done venting.   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: National Shrine Full Time Music Position Announcement From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:17:55 -0400 (EDT)   Cool Scott. Best wishes on your search. Would the person be able to enter into a Dueling Organists competition with you for a concert?   It sounds like a delightful position. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:21:43 -0400 (EDT)   Jason, Jason Jason, is it better to not do rehearsals or to have bride thinking you'll be there and make up excuse to bag it? fer shame.   --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:29:48 -0400 (EDT)   We at our church have weddings down to 15 minutes w/o special music, 18 with.   The wedding coordinator and pastor both run the rehearsals and generally speaking they move along pretty well. If the rehearsal starts late, I usually remind the pastor to remind the wedding party that it's important to start on time.   Have you all noticed (or is it just me) that limo drivers are the absolute WORST at finding their way around? At least, that's what brides are leading me to think.   --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding from HELL From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:37:17 -0400 (EDT)   The old hugging processional. John you're a trooper.   Almost as bad as the bride that wanted me to play an endless postlude so SHE could signal each row to leave. Ugh. Then her sister wanted to do the same thing the next year. I said NO. you know what, I was supported.   I take it Decorum was not the rule in this wedding. Oh well, I suppose they are no less married.   --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Riverside Organ Specs............(again) From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:40:37 -0400 (EDT)   Carlo, they should be available on the console on Riverside Drive. 8-) --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: joke From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:42:31 -0400 (EDT)   John, it's soooooo funny but soooooo tacky and soooooo soon. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Standards for Professional performers From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:48:56 -0400 (EDT)   I feel it is important to let the artist's management know. Maybe there was a mitigating factor and the artist can therefore be pardoned. But business is business. Particularly if the artist has any kind of reputation and commands a significant fee. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: joke From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:56:10 -0400 (EDT)   Oh geez.... I knew it was just a matter of time! hehehe   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Cowardly dogs bark loudest. -- John Webster    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding from hell From: jeff korns <jakorns@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:22:19 -0500   Most of the weddings I've done have been good, usually the weddings for friends or relatives are the worst, you put up with a lot for people you love.   At one wedding the bride wanted to go down the aisle to "Taco Bells" Cannon in D at first she was going to have violin and organ then it became violins with their own accompianist. At the rehersal when the accompanist was snowed in at another city, it became organ and violins again- the bride was a friend from college is why I put up with the shenanigans. Unfortunately it took two run throughs with the violins to discover that the orchestra score they handed me was 2 measures longer than the music they were playing from.   At another friend's wedding I was playing the organ at the college we attended. The console was upfront but behind a column -its normal position you can see the platform altar area but not the main aisle of the chapel. The person turning pages for me kept me updated on where the wedding party was in the chapel. At the recessional all went well, until the start of the "get 'em up and out " music. The page turner told me that the bride and groom were coming back down the aisle and greeting the guests at the pews. This meant that 400 people were going to take a long time to get out. The couple had decided to do this at the last moment. By the time it was done I had used up the inteded music and since the wedding was at Christmas was through the hymnal and gearing up for "Rudolf" and "Frosty" if need be.   My last wedding was for a cousin. The brides father was a pastor as was my uncle, the grooms father. The brides father decided he had to make an announcement about the reception during the recessional. The Reverand Jerk decided to start talking while I was playing and then came over to the organ, microphone in hand, and asked me to "hold up for a moment" to make his announcement I stopped and almost got up and walked out! When I finished I was boiling mad, I picked up my stuff told my mother, who was attending the wedding, that I was not going to the reception and why and asked her to explain it to my aunt and uncle.   PS I will no longer do family weddings! Jeff Korns    
(back) Subject: Re: Telephone Connectors From: DEMPAR1@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:29:40 EDT   I am wiring my chests at this time and I purchased 100 conductor (50 pair) =   telephone type wire from a computer wholesaler. It sells for about 60 = cents /foot and that way you can easily wire a 61-96 note chest, with spares, without needing to run multiple cables to the same chest. Each conductor = has its own color code and the wires are twisted pair which makes it easy to identify conductors without ringing them.  
(back) Subject: Re: wedding from hell From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:36:00 EDT   In a message dated 7/24/99 11:23:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jakorns@worldnet.att.net writes:   << The Reverand Jerk decided to start talking while I was playing and then came over to the organ, microphone in hand, and asked me to "hold up for a moment" to make his announcement I stopped and almost got up and walked out! >>   This is a rather disturbing trend that I've seen developing. I feel that = the best way to counteract behaviour like this is to start playing the organ = when sermons go too long... I think they'd get the point then. I find it hard = to believe that people are so rude and discourteous, but then again look at = our society...   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding from HELL From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:33:26 EDT   In a message dated 7/24/99 10:39:09 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << The old hugging processional. John you're a trooper >>   Ugh yeah, I wish I was a trooper with an assault rifle :-)   The headlines would read "Disgruntled Organist Mows Down Bridal Party At Local Church". LOL   John