PipeChat Digest #1005 - Monday, July 26, 1999
Re: Pipe washing / cleaning - X post
  by "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: wedding from hell
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wedding from HELL
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: To pick your brain
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Ear Speakers perfect for organ music
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Standards for Professional performers (A response)
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Re: Open communion at nuptial eucharist
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Electrical connectors xposted
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
THANK YOU GIA! I cannot believe my ears........
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: wedding from hell
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Open communion at nuptial eucharist
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: [PipeChat Digest #1004 - 07/26/99] unsubscribe
  by "mary nemes" <wdsmln@netscape.net>

(back) Subject: Re: Pipe washing / cleaning - X post From: antoni scott <ascott@epix.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:39:06 -0400   To the list:   Dust collecting on the upper half of the languid in an open pipe was always a problem, although it did not affect performance. Small pieces of dust that accumulate like "dust Balls" and get wedged in the pipe knicking was always the biggest problem since it affected the speech and the tuning. Same thing with the reeds.   I remember how a moth somehow got inside the windchest, and somehow got inside the boot of an 8'Oboe. Everytime the pipe was played the moth would eventually blow up into the reed and affect it's speech. Upon inspection ( pulling the boot off of the reed block ) one could find the cause. Eventually I found the problem by looking into the boot ! One silly little moth caused weeks of problems.!!   I also remember how a blackbird somehow flew into the tapered resonator of a Trumpet and stopped at the pipe mitre where it must have died. The wind pressure was enough to blow the blackbird up enough to allow the pipe to speak but had an affect on the tuning. Multiple attempts at tuning were performed until I noticed some feathers blowing out of the end of the pipe. Inverting the pipe revealed the cause of the problem !!   I have another story about the ministers cat that made its home in the low c of a 16' Bourdon rank that was laying in the horizontal position in the organ chamber. The only way it would come out was by playing the note.   Antoni   JDeCaria@aol.com wrote: > > Many thanks to all who responed both publicly and privately with some = really > great tips. I think the most original would have to be using a "pruned" = mop > to clean out the insides of larger metal pipes. > > One question still remains though... everyone assumed I'd be cleaning = metal > pipes... what about wooden pipes? > > Up to my eyeballs in pipe grime, > Joseph DeCaria, > Toronto > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: wedding from hell From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:57:33 -0400   A few comments on my wedding procedures, long-winded, perhaps.   At both of the churches that I play, I am expected to be present for the rehearsal. However, I make it clear that I am available for one hour from the scheduled starting time (usually 6:00, before the rehearsal dinner). = If they're not done (or started!) by 7:00, that's their tough luck- I'm outta there. I often practice on the quietest stops during the rehearsal; it's not loud enough to get in the way of the instructions, gives the rest of the hangers-on something to listen to, and makes me feel that the whole exercise is less of a total waste of time.   I start preludes about 20 minutes before the ceremony, regardless of how late the bride is, even though this has meant playing for an hour before the start. Hey, all those people are sitting out there, uncomfortable, = hot, with nothing to do- what a nice chance to introduce them to some fun and entertaining organ music. They'll chat, etc., but they'll be more comfortable chatting with music in the room. I can always play louder than they can talk! This is why I don't like for brides to specify music for = the prelude- that assumes that everything will run like clockwork (ha-ha), and I like to be able to pick music depending on how the crowd is- whether = they need to be livened up, or quieted down, whatever. I always bring much more music than I expect to play, so that I'm covered if the bride is late. The same thing holds for disruptions in the service- I had a friend faint dead away at his own wedding, and the musicians (harpsichord and cello) had = only brought what they were scheduled to play, so everyone sat in the stifling church for 20 minutes in silence. Like it or not, we are on the bench to provide background and filler.I'm always ready to jump in with tunes if something drastic happens in the middle of the service.   I've never had a request for separate music for seating the mothers and then the grandmothers, but it'll happen sometime, I'm sure. Now that most ceremonies seem to include lighting of Family Candles, I need a few extra bars of one of the favorites- Jesu, joy; the Taco Bell Cannon, or one of the Ave Marias (Aves Mariae?) are often requested.   I try to dissuade brides from doing two-part processionals (one for the bridesmaids and one for the bride) as our churches aren't long enough to play more than a few bars of each, unless the party is really large (I had one with 10 bridesmaids last weekend). Once I explain to them that there will be a break in the music long enough for me to turn pages, change registration, and reorient myself (and longer yet if I get a bad cue and have to return to the first piece, which has happened!), the brides will usually opt for a single processional with a more forceful registration = and return to the 'head' of the tune for the bride.   Music in the middle of the ceremony should be short- I tell them that they really don't want to hear all the verses of the Wedding Song, unless Paul Stookey is singing it himself. I insist that the soloist, if any, supply = me with the sheet music to whatever they're singing in the correct key at least a week ahead of time- I've gotten out of playing a lot of Whitney Houston that way.   Neither of my regular ministers makes announcements after the embrace; if they have anything that needs to be announced, they do it before the benediction. If I'm not at the rehearsal, the most important thing to = check with an unfamiliar minister is the cue for the recessional, i.e. whether = it is the kiss, or whether the couple is introduced after the embrace. After being told once by a MOB (in tones of horror) that the organist at a wedding she'd attended stopped playing before everyone left the church, I make sure to keep a lengthy postlude on hand. I like the Piece d'Orgue (Fantasy in G) BWV 542? It goes on for ever, has several places to end in the middle, and the opening flourishes are bright and in keeping with the exultant mood at the end of the ceremony.   I've only been stiffed for a fee once in 10 years, although I've had to wait a few weeks for a check on occasion, so I don't worry too much about getting paid.   Sorry to have taken up so much bandwidth     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:51:50 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/99 6:55:47 AM Central Daylight Time, theraven@sympatico.ca writes:   << You are absolutely right.&nbsp; It is a free country.&nbsp; I am not Baptist, I just get offended at this type of talk, especially around = churches and ministers and holy acts. Again, just because it is your right, you yourself gave the perfectanswer =   why you should be a little less rude.&nbsp; The following is yourown sentence. >>   My apologies for my offences... I'm a bit of a hot head at times and I = guess I didn't realize the very negative demeanor of my postings.   Again, my sincerest apologies to yourself and the others.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding from HELL From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:49:16 -0400 (EDT)     >All of this talk of hellish weddings is > interesting, but a bit scary as I am preparing a > trip to Texas (near Dallas, in fact) to play for a > friend's wedding. Everything is strangely wonderful in Texas. Enjoy your trip.   >The original plan was my plane ticket would be > paid for, and I would play for free, since this is > a childhood friend, but my mother has paid for > the ticket as a gift to the bride, so that end > has me not worried. At least you know you'll be able to get out!!! ;-)   >As long as I can avoid the hugging > processional or recessional, I should be okay. What's the deal with the "hugging processional"? What does it matter what the bridal party is doing during the pro in-or-out? Just play and have fun; pretent they are just walking very slowly like in the movies.   >the bride to be asked if there should be > different music for the entrance of the > grandparents than for the parents. I find approaching this from a purely practical standpoint, more often than not, solves the problem. I always tell the bride: the more you plan, the more can go wrong. Planning separate pieces of music for each group of relatives causes confusion at the time of seating and delays the progress of the wedding; not to mention that very few are conscious of the change in music. Constant changes in music also create a jerky, disjointed atmosphere. It makes more sense just to seat them when they're ready and save all the attention for the bridal party.   >There will be only one number, but I'm sure > there will be more discussion. Do any of you >ever play the 2 minutes of one song and the 1 > minute of another for both parents and > grandparents? One request: sit down with a stop watch and then ask again. Do you realize just how long a minute really is; it takes about 30 seconds to get someone down the aisle, even a long one. There is a pleasant alternative: say yes to everything and then do as you please. Chances are they won't notice, and if they do it will be too late to do anything about it.   >Secondly, I used to do just the service music > through the recessional, and I was out of > there. I always play a big postlude while people are leaving. After the exit procession, if there is a break for announcements/directions, I play a big Bach prelude & fugue, or a French toccata. Why not have fun, you have a large captive audience, albeit noisy (but they were probably noisy during the prelude too!), this may be someone's big moment of falling in love with the organ. Very often I have parents with young children come up to the console afterward and I given them a quick tour of the console and a little demo. PR! PR!   > I think the brides never think about what > happens when they leave the room. Daaah! If brides were thinking they wouldn't be getting married!!! ... at least like that! Consider their "condition."   I have a long list of satisfied brides because I try to do more than expected and make the whole ordeal as easy and worry-free as possible. This necessitates actually taking charge in some instances, just as any professional should. Consider how you feel when a photographer is wasting time asking the bride what photos she wants after the wedding. Normally I play until the church is empty or until the wedding party returns to take pictures. I begin playin when the first guest enters the church. It really helps the organists image if the couple doesn't feel like your doing no more than you absolutely have to. This is also why my fee is a flat fee, regardless of solos etc. Most weddings don't have these frills, so I don't feel like I'm underpaid if I spend a little more time on one than another.   Just one other thing: Folks! Enjoy yourselves!   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   I love a dog. =A0 He does nothing for political reasons. =A0 -- Will Rogers    
(back) Subject: Re: To pick your brain From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT)   Neil saithed: >Folks, I intended this to be a private post, but > alas, it's spread to the far reaches of the > universe. Please disregard this and I shall be > forever grateful. OK!!! FLAME THROWERS AT THE READY!!!   GET 'EM GUYS AND GRILS!!   BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   I love a dog. =A0 He does nothing for political reasons. =A0 -- Will Rogers    
(back) Subject: Ear Speakers perfect for organ music From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:58:32 -0500   I want to assure all of you I am not trying to find a new career in sales, but I am letting go of several things to raise money for parts for my practice organ in the works. I have a pair of headphones which are the ultimate in quality. They are called STAX (the brand) ELECTRET EARSPEAKERS (model SR 84) and are powered directly off the main power of your amp not the preamp as is the case with most head sets. The headphones originally cost $150.00 and the optional 15 foot ext. chord (not the kind you get at Radio Shack !) was another $40.00. I have receipts to prove. The set is in near perfect condition and there are no performance problems at all. I = have another set which do the job fine and hook up to my discman which I tend = to use much more often. If you like the sound of your expensive amplifier, these are for you. This item was originally purchased in 1986 but has been in dry storage most of the time packed away in its own box. The = transformer box will allow you to switch to a 2nd pair of speakers that way you won't have to sacrifice your 2nd speaker outputs for just the headphones (EAR SPEAKERS :)   I will not refuse a reasonable offer. Please submit your offer directly to me at highnote@mhtc.net. I will sell to the highest bidder. The deadline will be July 31st at 9:00 pm. Please direct any questions you may have directly = to me as well NOT to the list. Pic in .jpg format available on request. If there are no bidders I will then auction on E-BAY. Buyer to pay 6.00 shipping & hand. which incl. priority mail. Insurance is extra. Thanks, Robert.    
(back) Subject: Re: Standards for Professional performers (A response) From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:27:58 -0400   Darryl:   You are on firm ground. First of all, in any concert series, there has to = be coordination to be successful. As a concert artist, I spend endless time = on the telephone with conductors, concert coordinators, etc. You know your audience and you know what works as well as what other artists are playing what.   As for no artists submitting...that is wrong also!!! Anne Sophie-Mutter, = as an example, does not call a conductor and says that she is going to play = the Tchikovsky. She submits a list of 15 possible concertos which he then submits to the program committee of the orchestra and it is then = coordinated with the concert schedule and possibly a recording company. It is a very complex process. That is why an artist must have a large repetoire.   I agree with you 100% and invite Arthur Lamirande to email me or state his position here.   Charles E. Brown   Visit My Web Site At: http://www.classicalcorner.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Darryl Miller <organdok@safari.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Standards for Professional performers (A response)     > Hi, Y'all! > > Arthur Lamirande just wrote me privately and gave me a tongue-lashing > extraordinare concerning my right of approval of the programming for > concerts. Please know I'm very flexible and work with the artist/management > concerning programs to great lengths, but the bottom line is I know my > audiences and I know what will "sell" and not sell. > > And trust me, dear friends, as much as I personally love French Baroque > music (aka French Classic) and love the chorale variations of J. S. = Bach, > they just don't work on concert programs to a general audience in South > Florida. > > I have written privately to Mr. Lamirande, but I think two items in his > nasty note to me do need a public explanation for fear some of you may > think the same thing. > > He said: > <<no pianist or violinist would subject himself to your approval.. > why should an organist>>. . . .<<you be better advised to investigate where > the organist has played previously, and what sort of reviews he has > received.>> > > I say: > Not so . . . I do it all the time to many artists of national = reputation. > Artists who are household names, not narrow minded egomaniacs. Most of = the > "big names" know that their "bread and butter" and their continued = success > is due to the audiences who continue to buy tickets. I also book a lot = of > non-classical artists, and I very carefully review lyrics of their = songs, > as well. Even though I may not know their songs, per se, I can read and > decide if the lyric is acceptable for a concert held in a local church. > > Why should I trust a reviewer? I trust other presenters who present > concerts in similar settings and trust other organists and musicians who > understand our audiences. I trust my instincts. > > My total operating budget approaches several hundred thousand dollars = this > year. The margin of success and failure is only a few dollars. > > This may not explain anything at all, but I didn't want y'all to know = I'm > not a dogmatic nut who ignores the artist and the artist's instincts in > programming. I'm just nuts . . . after all, I'm an organist! > > Have a fun week. > > Yours, > > Darryl by the Sea > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Open communion at nuptial eucharist From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:47:20 -0400   >From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Wedding from HELL >Date: Sat, Jul 24, 1999, 8:34 PM   > In general the > ELCA doesn't practice closed communion and it should have been offered = to > all, in my opinion...   You're right, of course, John. Well, maybe not to "all," but certainly to all baptized persons who acknowledge the Real Presence in the eucharist. = In any case (apart from THOSE distinctions) Lutheran practice officially is NEVER to have weddings at a communion for bride-and-groom-only or any such thing.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Electrical connectors xposted From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:47:12 EDT   To the list, Recently someone sent in a message in which they said that = they used a connector assembly, part number RS232 to connect contacts within console to either pipe magnets or electronic oscillators. they said they = cut it in half and used the wires which were color coded removing the = requirement of ringing each wire. Would whoever posted that message please repost it. = I inadvertantly deleted it when I went through my messages. Sincerely, = Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: THANK YOU GIA! I cannot believe my ears........ From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:02:37 EDT   HALLELUJAH! Those of you who know me know that I am a bit of a traditionalist and go for a certain "sound" in choral and church music. (Yes- that's a gross understatement!)   My Pastor knows of my tastes and called me into his quarters last week = saying to me "I want you to hear something." He played a CD for me and together = we listened to some brand new music, yes- NEW music from GIA that is not even = in print yet. He played certain tracks for me that he wanted me to hear in preparation for an upcoming event at the Shrine.   The first thing I noticed was that the PIPE ORGAN is the accompaniment for =   this new set of compositions- yes- the ORGAN, no geeeeetars, no folk = choirs or Life Teen bands, no swooping and scooping vocalists with the gentle = strums of pianos and mandolins and the gleeful tapping of drums ands tambourines- =   the ORGAN AND CHOIR- that's it! Organ and Choir- and it is music written = in a very traditional feel and style- extremely melodic and beautiful!!!!   The really amazing part is that the composer is none other than Michael Joncas- composer of "On Eagles' Wings" (which, and this is NO secret- is a =   song that I absolutely cannot stomach no matter how it is done! I will not = do this song at the Shrine unless it is specifically requested for a funeral = or memorial service.)   As the music played and I looked over at Monsignor, he looked at me as if = to say "well- what do you think?" I told him that if MORE composers wrote = music like this it would be a very good step BACK in the right direction." This music is nothing less than inspired!   The tracks he played for me are:   "The St. Francis Evening Prayer Service" Lucernarium: 1. Opening Dialogue and Evening Hymn "O Radiant Light" 2. Evening Thanksgiving Psalmody: 3. Psalm 141 and Organ Interlude 4. Psalm 121 and Organ Interlude 5. Philippians 2 6. Canticle of Mary (The Magnificat) 7. The Intercessions 8. Blessing and Dismissal   This music is absolutely EXQUISITE! There are parts for instruments here = and there but they are judiciously interspersed and written in a manner to compliment the singing and texts of the pieces and not just as "busy = notes" as so much of recent contemporary drivel seems to have. And the = instrumental parts do not just double the organ or singers either.   Other tracks on the CD include:   Exultate Justi (exciting organ accompaniment!) Spirit of God Within Me Wisdom Is Calling (Psalm 19) A Shepherd (Psalm 23) God, My God (Psalm 63) As the Deer (Psalm 42/43) Adoramus Te Cantate Domino (Psalm 136) and almost as dramatic as David McK Williams' setting is on that old St. Bart's/Jack Ossewaarde recording!   As far as the remaining tracks, the St. Francis Evening Prayer Service, it = is just sublime. My associate, who is leaving us September to begin his own music ministry in a parish in the Toledo area, even commented that he = could not believe that Joncas wrote something this traditional sounding and melodious. Quite high prase as Fred is a superb musician with extremely conservative and stingent musical standards.   In fact we are doing it, the St. Francis Evening Prayer Service, for the November 3 Vespers service which will be celebrated by his Eminence, Adam Cardinal Maida, Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Detroit. That is the day =   that the reliquary of St. Therese de Lisieux, our Patroness and the saint whose name our church was the first to bear, will be brought to the = National Shrine.   Just a note to share my excitement and sincere happiness- but this new = music is indeed different and a breath of fresh air. AND- it does not sound = like anything else that has been written for the Roman Catholic church in the last 25 years. NOW- if we could only get a hymnal that would truly satisfy =   our needs without having to invest in multiple books and sources!!!!!!! (Clone The Adoremus Hymnal from Ignatius Press and Worship III from GIA together and we might just have the perfect Roman Catholic hymnal!)   By the way, the CD "As the Deer" is available from GIA- #CD-241.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, Michigan  
(back) Subject: Re: wedding from hell From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:33:33 EDT   In a message dated 99-07-26 10:31:19 EDT, popel@sover.net writes:   >I start preludes about 20 minutes before the ceremony,   So do I, except I have recorded my preludes on the Allen Smart Recorder in =   the "All Play" mode. The organ is in the gallery but I sit there all the time. When the processional begins, I play live of course. I am then not =   distracted by goings-on. I sound better and come home with some energy = left. I think I'll record some postludes next. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Open communion at nuptial eucharist From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:09:31 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/99 12:39:54 PM Central Daylight Time, afreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   << You're right, of course, John. Well, maybe not to "all," but certainly = to all baptized persons who acknowledge the Real Presence in the Eucharist. = In any case (apart from THOSE distinctions) Lutheran practice officially is NEVER to have weddings at a communion for bride-and-groom-only or any = such thing. >>   Of course, that goes without being said.   To be very truthful this wedding was VERY un-Lutheran and VERY Roman... Anyhow, it's over with, I've vented my anger, shared my feelings, and let = the church hierarchy know that I was not amused.   I wish to end this wedding thread herewith and move on to more musical matters.   Again, I apologise to any and all whom my verbose rantings offended.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:22:59 -0400   Maynard:   I'm a retired pastor who did his share of weddings (but didn't want = anybody else's, so I was no Marryin' Sam). But I want you to know that at least this is one who thinks you are right. They've got (or are supposed to = have) the whateverittakes to run the show right, and efficiently. Vastly too often, they don't.   Alan Freed St. Luke's Church, Manhattan ---------- >From: Icorgan@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Wedding rehearsal from HELL >Date: Sat, Jul 24, 1999, 6:11 PM   > after nearly > 40 years of observing these ecclesiastical idiocies, I put a great deal = of > blame on the pastors.  
(back) Subject: Re: [PipeChat Digest #1004 - 07/26/99] unsubscribe From: mary nemes <wdsmln@netscape.net> Date: 26 Jul 99 12:21:28 PDT   "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> wrote: PipeChat Digest #1004 - Monday, July 26, 1999   Too Liberal by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Re: Too Liberal by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Re: Wedding from HELL by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Re: wedding from hell by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>    
(back) Subject: Too Liberal From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:20:24 EDT   I guess this forum is too liberal for my tastes...   Since most of the responses to my "wedding horribilus" have been critical= if =   not downright rude I wish to be removed from this list henceforth. I wil= l =   join the OTHER list promptly... I have no time or patience for critical a= nd =   uptight people (unless they share my own views of course)! LOL   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Too Liberal From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:27:56 -0400 (EDT)   I hopeth thou jesteth, John. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding from HELL From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:40:56 EDT   In a message dated 7/25/99 11:47:10 PM Central Daylight Time, =   organdok@safari.net writes:   << I enjoy playing weddings. I also go to wedding rehearsals. I also char= ge for those weddings AND those rehearsals! :) >>   Henceforth and forevermore I will not do a wedding in my church... I'll l= eave   them to to my sub -- and I'll let her deal with it all.   Funerals are no problem... at least the deceased can't give an organist grief!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: wedding from hell From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:52:01 EDT   In a message dated 7/25/99 6:22:32 PM Central Daylight Time, =   rohrschok8@webtv.net writes:   << Mr. Drawknob has inadvertently stumbled upon a tradition >>   Heaven forbid... I didn't think I ever did anything inadvertently ;-)   Mr. Drawknob