PipeChat Digest #968 - Friday, July 2, 1999
 
Re: The wedge w/o registration changes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Disney Organ...everyone please relax!
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Disney organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Disney Organ...everyone please relax!
  by <dgoward@att.net>
Disney organ - on the road again...
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Organ movie
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Wish me luck
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Disney organ - on the road again...
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Disney organ - on the road again...
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: The wedge w/o registration changes
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
more on Disney facade
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: 4th of July
  by "Bill" <WGWUTILS@webtv.net>
Fw: Wish me luck
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
4th of July
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Disney organ - on the road again...
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fog Horns!
  by "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Fog Horns!- one way of going about it
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
New Web Site Offering...
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@gte.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Disney pipe facade
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fog Horns!
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: The wedge w/o registration changes From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 03:07:30 -0700   At 09:03 AM 7/1/1999 -0500, you wrote: >That being said, let's move into the 20th century. Would I sit down at a >"modern" instrument (such as a Schlicker or a Reuter) and subject the >listener to half an hour of plenum just for the sake of being historically >authentic?...With very few exceptions, NO!<snip>   Well, now...maybe I'm from a different era, where we tried to do things authentically, but I agree that using few, if any, registration changes in most of Bach's music, relying therefore upon indicated manual and dynamics changes, as has been stated earlier, is more authentic AND allows the ear to concentrate on Bach's powerful conceptual use of polyphony. Registrations should be vertical, with good upper work, and there should be a total absence of loud, romantic school reeds. The idea of playing most Bach on a "let's put everything at 8' and loud/Hope-Jones wannabe" organ is ludicrous, at best. The *POLYPHONY* is the star here...not some combo machine (or ego-tripping organist)! Thus, the registration must be carefully chosen for sake of clarity, and not for tonal "ooohs and ahhhs".   Just my 2=A2 worth... :)   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Organ...everyone please relax! From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:28:41 -0400 (EDT)     >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0The final product may very well NOT > resemble a large order of fries...perhaps > Rosales will simply angle the facade out very > slightly, maybe he'll cross the pipes in an > attractive chevron pattern... As I recall, Casavant did a very handsome 3m organ in a Presbyterian church in Gastonia, North Carolina. The pipes in the facade were angled away from the central axis and it is a quite handsome case design. Perhaps we shall all get together behind Disney and offer affirmation for selecting a pipe organ and encouragement for producing a handsome and outstanding case. Is this organ mechanical action? (sorry, had to ask!)     Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: Disney organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:43:03 -0500   Hi Listers... Well perhaps I jumped the gun here on poo-pooing the artists' drawing and ideas. Things change- lets wait and see the final result....after all, = what did people say about the automobile, aeroplane, and television? Again, I'm happy Disney chose pipes -what a boost.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Organ...everyone please relax! From: dgoward@att.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:57:31 +0000   > Perhaps we shall all get together behind Disney and offer affirmation > for selecting a pipe organ and encouragement for producing a handsome > and outstanding case   Now, there's a reasonable response!   One thing I've found is that often artist's concepts of what a project will look like, and what the project actually does look like are often very different -- the artist who drew the picture has no idea of what an organ requires, but Mr. Rosales certainly does. No matter what the final appearance, if his name is on it, it will certainly be an excellent organ.   Like a few have said, Disney deserves our support for deciding to include a pipe organ, when it would have been faster and cheaper to just pop a digital in there. At least they're doing something positive to keep pipe organs up front.   Dennis Goward  
(back) Subject: Disney organ - on the road again... From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:29:17 EDT   John Speller noted recently:   >I seem to recall the Walker at Liverpool (R.C.) Cathedral of Christ the = King also >contains pipes of several different metallic colors.   (Cool, dudes...) Now if we could just put this psychedelic beast on the = road ala Reginald Foort. High schoolers would be awed! ...sponsored, of course, = by Ronald McDonald and Mickey Mouse...   (Awesome hues, dude!)   .... and if Carlo Curley would play one of his concerts thereon... <:-0 =   WOW!!   ....or Diane Bish cruise onto the stage riding her Harley :-)   Is it true that Diane's throttle is a coupler stoptab with the wording, = Pedal to Metal - 1' ?   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Organ movie From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:07:36 EDT   Hey fellow list members,   Last night I was running through the channels when I found the movie = "Brother of Sleep" on the Sundance channel. From the description of the movie I = was not ready for the surprise I got!   The movie is subtitled and originally filmed/produced by Bavarian Film, I think. It is the story of a 17th Century Austrian peasant who is the bastard = child of the village priest. From very early on it is clear that he is special because he has perfect pitch. As he grows older he teaches himself to = play the organ and even rebuilds the parish church organ -- the current organist/choirmaster/teacher is so distraught that his pupil is far = superior hangs himself. This launches the child prodigy into the organist/choirmaster/teacher position. The parishioners, who once hated = him for being a bastard child, now love him and his talents. However, two competing love interests overwhelm him and he gives up the = bench. Only to take to the bench later on a grand scale (you'll have to see the movie -- I'm not going to tell you!).   The film is rated R and there is some adult content (but done tastefully). = The story line sort of hints of Bach and Luther... The music and cinematography is superb. There are also a few scenes where the inner workings of = tracker action organs are shown when in use. A rather shocking revelation was = that he played barefoot -- not even in socks! I highly recommend this GREAT = film.   The next air times on Sundance channel are: Saturday, July 10, 2:35 AM = CST ; and Wednesday, July 21st, 12:00 AM CST. So, everyone set your VCRS!!!   Enjoy,   John  
(back) Subject: Wish me luck From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:10:02 EDT   I am flying to Houston today for my final interview. If all goes well = I'll be working for an organ company very soon. I'll keep y'all posted!   Wish me luck!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney organ - on the road again... From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:31:29 EDT   In a message dated 7/2/99 9:32:58 AM Central Daylight Time, = KriderSM@aol.com writes:   << .or Diane Bish cruise onto the stage riding her Harley :-) Is it true that Diane's throttle is a coupler stoptab with the wording, Pedal to Metal - 1' ? >>   ROFLMAO!!!   You're a hoot!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney organ - on the road again... From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:07:11 -0400   1'.......on a Harley? No way. At least 3---------32', 64'.....and 128 Away!! The music store where I'm teaching is right across the street from a = BIG motorcycle place, and everybody loves to try out the Harleys and = everything else after work. I have several little boys--------"You can do this, now C, D, E" (Roarrrrrr!!), "You get real good at this and you can make enough money = to buy one of them for yourself." You ought to see those little boys hit that keyboard! Aaaaaaah, motivation is everything.   Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: The wedge w/o registration changes From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:01:30 -0700       Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 09:03 AM 7/1/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >That being said, let's move into the 20th century. Would I sit down at = a > >"modern" instrument (such as a Schlicker or a Reuter) and subject the > >listener to half an hour of plenum just for the sake of being = historically > >authentic?...With very few exceptions, NO!<snip> >   I'm behind a little ... my filters were filtering my chats (!).   The reason that you wouldn't sit down at a Reuter (or even most = Schlickers) and play a Bach prelude and fugue without any registration changes (except = maybe drawing the Great and Pedal reeds for the fugue, and/or throwing them off, depending on which prelude and fugue) is that most modern = electro-pneumatic organs (yes, there are some exceptions) aren't VOICED so you can listen to = the coupled plena (or a single 8' principal) for a half-hour or more without = getting tired of the sound and/or getting a headache.   LISTEN to Zwolle and some of its counterparts ... those choruses SING. = Which takes me back to my rant du jour about the organ being a VOCAL wind = instrument.   Which isn't to say there aren't some excellent organs in this country with = rich, satisfying plena ... locally, the Fritz-Richards at All Souls' in Point = Loma (San Diego) comes to mind ...   A properly-voiced organ will make the polyphony clear, without having to = resort to manual changes or "soloing out" the fugue subject. And Bach WRITES IN = the dynamics in the notes themselves. Look at the Prelude and Fugue in b minor = ... when he wants it "softer", he thins out the texture ... no need to change manuals. Ditto the "echo" effects in the P&F in E Flat Major. When he = WANTS manual changes, he indicates them, like in the "Dorian".   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: more on Disney facade From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:20:18 -0700   Maybe painting the Seven Dwarfs on the pipes (using the mouths for their mouths) isn't so far-fetched. There's an old Holtkamp somewhere in Cleveland (a Polish RC church, as I recall) with large sunflowers painted on the facade pipes, using the pipe-mouths for the center of the sunflowers.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: 4th of July From: WGWUTILS@webtv.net (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:13:00 -0400 (EDT)   Wow, Rick - that sounds like fun. I used to hear the steam callopie play on the old Green Line sternwheeler up on the Tennessee River - could hear it coming for miles away. Only problem (hopefully different than when playing a pipe organ) is that you can get quite damp playing in all that steam mist from the pipes (unless you have a strong wind blowing away from you:-))   Enjoy, Bill Winchester    
(back) Subject: Fw: Wish me luck From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:18:23 -0500   Break a leg John.........   Rick   -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 10:12 AM Subject: Wish me luck     >I am flying to Houston today for my final interview. If all goes well = I'll >be working for an organ company very soon. I'll keep y'all posted! > >Wish me luck! > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: 4th of July From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:25:10 -0500   Sometimes if the wind is blowing into you, so does the condensation from = the steam whistles. Spotty glasses and wet shirts. Tis said the reason calliope players played so fast, was because the keys got hot.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Disney organ - on the road again... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:39:49 -0400 (EDT)   Taking the Disney organ on tour before it finally rests at its home is really a splendid idea!!    
(back) Subject: Fog Horns! From: "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:03:37 +0100   Dear listers,   Probably way, way off topic. I need some help.   I am after a fog-horn that is pitched approx. Middle D concert. You can purchase little 'air-horns' from automobile shops e.g. Halfords (UK = store), but you have no control over their pitch or the quality of timbre. A fog-horn - lifeboat or lighthouse - has a distinct timbre to it. Does = anyone know the best way of adapting one of these little 'party' things so that = it emulates a 'proper' fog-horn? I know it is Friday evening, and I can = assure you that I have only had one glass of wine at the time of writing this!   Intrigued to hear your valued suggestions. Thanks,   Edward    
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:05:22 -0400   You might try a ship chandler, a big one. The air horns for boats and tractor trailer trucks are not little party things, but I think they run on 12 volts. Building a lighthouse? With room for 64' organ pipes? Smiles, Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:04:02 +0100   Dear Diane,   >You might try a ship chandler, a big one. >The air horns for boats and tractor trailer trucks are not little party >things, but I think they run on 12 volts.   Can you name an retail outlet where one might enquire?   > Building a lighthouse? With room for 64' organ pipes? >Smiles,   I'm glad you've got a sense of humour! No, I wish I was building a = structure capable of housing a substantial organ with 64'. For the moment I'm doing = a little arranging! Check the web site out (early next week) and that might give you a clue ;-))   I look forward to your reply   Edward -- Edward Marsh BA FRCO(CHM) Director, Nutcracker Production Co. Ltd. (NPC Records) http://www.nutcracker-productions.com info@nutcracker-productions.com emarsh@argonet.co.uk edmarsh@lineone.net   +44 (0) 191 285 9932 Phone +44 (0) 191 285 2219 Phone/Fax +44 (0) 789 975 8152 Mobile   3 Mayfield Road Gosforth Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 4HE England UK    
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:21:13 -0500   What you need is a BIG Diaphone. According to the Fox book on Hope-Jones, his second Diaphone patent was for a Diaphonic Fog Horn driven by steam.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns!- one way of going about it From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:24:16 EDT   Hi Edward---- Again calling on my railroad (the job that made the money) background, but =   journeying into things organic (the job I loved) here is an idea for you = on the "tuned" foghorn. You will need to start with a high enough quality air horn (railroad locomotive style is one way to go) that the "back" of the horn is screwed = on with an "O" ring to seal it. Unscrew the back, and the diaphragm (thin steel) should come out easily. One can then put small, and equidistant = blobs of solder on the diapragm about half way from middle to outer edge,,and assemble all again and try it. I used this method to "tune" a set of 5 = horns on one of our railroad locomotives to give a more "pleasing" chord. Since = the disassembly of a quality horn is quite easy, one can do it over again = until one is satisfied with the result,,pitch wise. Hope this idea might be of some value to you. Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: New Web Site Offering... From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@gte.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:26:13 -0400   www.kirkorgan.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:36:12 EDT   In a message dated 99-07-02 17:02:22 EDT, you write: Edward, I know. You are building a live in Unda Maris with propulsion and = you need a warning system. LOL Paul > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:37:26 -0400   Hello Edward, Sorry, I'm in the US, never been to the UK so I don't know of sources close to you, but if any country would have what you want, it certainly should be yours. Here, J. C. Whitney has an "auto parts" catalog, with ALL kinds of things in it. There are several marine supply companies that have fat catalogs for sailing people, West Marine and US Boat are a couple. You might try a sailing magazine, and check the ads. Magazines are slanted at various markets, you want one aimed at the people who tour the world on their boats and need engine parts shipped to them in the South Pacific or someplace. It's a nice weekend, why not take a drive to the ocean and see what = you can turn up? The closer you get, the more magazines, shops, stores, advertising, boat dealers and so on. That's it, a boat sales, especially one with a marina, would know of = the heavy duty magazines and suppliers. You won't find what you're looking = for in someplace that's selling canoes and rowboats, obviously, you need ocean sailing equipment. It's out there, just need to do a little detective work. Know anybody who's into boating? The other thing you can do is take your handy dandy tape recorder to the nearest lighthouse and make a sound sample. There's everything else under the sun on the www, why not fog horn recordings? So try a search. You never know what will turn up! OK, here's a little more info. Lighthouses and other sound indicating devices do have specific sounds, which are recorded on nautical charts. They occur at specified times----2 bell rings every 5 seconds or some such thing------in order to identify where you are. I don't remember that the tones are particular, but I do know that they sound different from one another. There are several types of buoys also, each with their own = sound. Some have a "horn" which sounds as the air is pushed up from beneath by = wave action, through an air horn. It's a rather low soft tone, which gets = louder and higher pitched as the weather gets rougher. A nautical reference book will tell you about these things, in detail. The best one I have is the Annapolis Book of Sailing, but there are = others, and I'm sure the standard texts in the UK are different ones. It's really = a rather interesting topic. Guess I'm rambling. Hope you find what you're looking for. What are you arranging? They already sank the Edmund Fitzgerald and the Titanic, you'll have to find another ship. Mine has flotation material built in, it's guaranteed to float--with passengers --when full of water. That's = one reason we chose it. They "sank" one for the advertising, and took lots of pictures of the people standing on it. I grew up close to the Lake Ontario, and went to a college right on = the lake. I spent many nights going to sleep in the dorm listening to the fog horn, I always liked it. Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:48:07 -0400   Being a curious sort, I took a look at your website and played Fanfare for = a Millennium. Did you really write that? It's Wonderful!! Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:05:37 -0400   At 05:37 PM 7/2/99 -0400, Diane wrote: > I grew up close to the Lake Ontario, and went to a college right on = the >lake. I spent many nights going to sleep in the dorm listening to the = fog >horn, I always liked it. >Diane S.   Diane, Were you at Queen's University here in Kingston? I have been = here for over thirty years and I cannot recall ever hearing a fog horn! Some of my students and myself made an oversized horn for the Olypic Sailing events in 1976, But it was too loud for the Race Committee boat, so it never got used!   Edward, - you really can make one for yourself, find a design for an exponential horn, (almost any physics text book will have it, - or even some loudspeaker design books), attach it to a small loudspeaker, and = drive the speaker by means of a small tape deck, I think that we used a Sony WAlkman, with some recorded sine waves of differing pitches on it. That's what we did, and it was sid that it could be heard about two miles off!   Good luck!   Bob Conway ... "Learn from the mistakes of others. You cannot live long enough to make them all yourself."          
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:58:24 EDT   Bob Conway---   WOW,,,what a great idea Bob. Obviously the way to go in the 90's, or so = it seems to me anyway! Kind Regards, ---Roc ---any day you learn something new, cant be a bad day----  
(back) Subject: Disney pipe facade From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:18:09 -0700   Splayed pipes aren't without historical precedent ... look in Orpha Ochse's book at some 19th century Jardines, etc. ... the old organ in St. George's NYC had splayed-out trumpet pipes.   And some of those 17th and 18th century south German organs had all KINDS of weird pipe arrangements in the facades.   Isn't there an historic Italian organ with pipes arranged like the spokes of a wheel?   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Fog Horns! From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:30:49 -0400   HI Bob, Oswego. Where everybody's primary course of study is winter survival. It isn't just anyplace that can get eight feet of snow and then a thick layer of ice on top, and 30 below 0 F with a 30 or 40 mph. wind, all at once. They actually do run heavy ropes along the sidewalks between buildings, and there are underground tunnels between the dormitories and = the dining halls. That lake doesn't run East/West, it runs on a diagonal, and Oswego is = a point of land where the Oswego River comes out to the lake, and it really catches the west wind that comes the length of the lake, then hits the = high ground and drops all the moisture. They used to bring coal up from Pennsylvania on the railroad and load = it on the lake boats there, to go to the generating plants someplace else. They got some kind of government break for using two different means of transportation. They ran the coal cars up on a raised track thingy, which shook them so it ran down the chutes into the lakers. A coal shaker-----------now you talk about noise!! That's gone now. Used to be one at Sodus Point too. Oswego goes way back as a port. I think it's even a Port of Entry, = with Customs. There's a breakwater with a lighthouse----and fog horn. Out at the fort there's a huge and extremely dramatic painting of a storm coming off the lake, all dark clouds and spray. The Fontana made the coal run, and she blew her horn when she came and left. For anybody not familiar with lake freighters, they tend to be = larger than the ocean freighters. Very impressive. You can see both kinds on = the St. Lawrence River, and right up close at the bridges, canals, and locks that connect the Great Lakes. The Welland Canal goes around Niagara = Falls, and it's pretty close for those huge ships, amazing to watch them = maneuver. Boats use quite a sound signal system. It was developed before the = age of radios, and the horn signals are very specific, and internationally recognized. Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)-----got that cane chair seat about half redone before my back gave out and had to come sit down