PipeChat Digest #971 - Sunday, July 4, 1999 Re: The wedge w/o registration changes by <HOLYMUSIC@aol.com> Re: Winfield, (long) KS Austin saved by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Star Spangled Banner and the organist by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Re: PipeChat Digest #970 - 07/03/99 by "Bruce Behnke" <email@example.com> Re: arguments about authenticity that go nowhere by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Style or Content? by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Re: PipeChat Digest #970 - 07/03/99 by "Bob Scarborough" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Baptism Music by "Barry and Claire Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Re. 411 for Fox by "Walter W. Davis" <email@example.com> Re: arguments about authenticity that go nowhere by "ray ahrens" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Winfield, (long) KS Austin saved by "Frank Johnson" <email@example.com> Performance by "Dennis Goward" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Disney Organ by <KriderSM@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: The wedge w/o registration changes From: HOLYMUSIC@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:40:34 EDT The Organ Recital given by Martin Jean at Our Lady of Angels in Worcester was, without question the most thought out and well-presented musical experience of the entire Worcester convention----what amazes me is that a = few people walked away wondering about registration changes in a Bach Work-----did they not notice flawless technical ability....astute = musicality in phrasing and tempos which created for an awe-inspriring rendering of = one of the more difficult preludes and fugues------get real!!!!! P.S. From where I was sitting I think he did change manuals-----all = through the piece!!!!!
(back) Subject: Re: Winfield, (long) KS Austin saved From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:10:13 EDT Frank---- Nice going for you and your crew! A great accomplishment!. I would like to = see the pictures you took of the removal and such. The fact that the = Austin is being stored in non-heated, non-airconditioned space is not going = affect it one bit in my opinion. Its used to that, as are all older EP organs. Cheers, ---Roc
(back) Subject: Star Spangled Banner and the organist From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:14:44 EDT The minister was preoccupied with thoughts of how he was going to ask the congregation to come up with more money than they were expecting for = repairs to the church roof and the organ, due to water damage. Therefore, he was annoyed to find that the regular organist was sick and a substitute had = been brought in at the last minute. The substitute wanted to know what to = play. "Here's a copy of the service" he said impatiently. "But you'll have to think of something to play after I make the announcement about the = finances." During the service, the minister paused and said, "Brothers and Sisters, = we are in great difficulty; the roof and organ repairs cost twice as much as = we expected, and we need $4,000 more. Any of you who can pledge $100 or = more, please stand up." At that moment, the substitute organist played "The Star Spangled Banner". = And that is how the sub organist became the permanent organist!
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #970 - 07/03/99 From: Bruce Behnke <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 99 19:03:47 -0700 Tim bovard said: >If any given >performance of any given piece of music on any given organ is "MUSICAL", >then who really cares about the authenticity in it?? (Virgil Fox comes = to >mind in the organ world; perhaps Liberace on the piano would also >qualify...) So what is more important-style or content? Is it the essence of the music or the personality and theatrics of the performer? There are times when both can exist at the same time but I have heard recordings of people playing with "style" where there is more piston pushing than note playing in Bach works that frankly are not musical at all. Also obliterating the music by playing at breakneck speeds because one can isn't necessarily musical either. Also, commercial success should not be confused with musicality. My preference is historicaly informed performance, but I would enjoy any performance where the ego of the performer does not interfere with the appreciation of the music. Bruce
(back) Subject: Re: arguments about authenticity that go nowhere From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Good post, Bud. We also know that Bach was fascinated by COLOR on the organ. The more options he had the better he liked the organ (so I read way back down the line). Funny, that sounds remarkably like another "B" renowned for his orchestration. --Neil
(back) Subject: Style or Content? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:12:05 -0400 (EDT) My 2 pennies worth... technique should serve the music. Style must support the content, content should determine the style. My final axiom (for this post at least): Just because you can, does not automatically mean you should. I'm done pontificating for now. Happy 4th every1. --Neil
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #970 - 07/03/99 From: Bob Scarborough <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:29:32 -0700 At 07:03 PM 7/3/1999 -0700, Burce Behnke wrote: > There are times when both can exist at the same time but I have heard >recordings of people playing with "style" where there is more piston pushing >than note playing in Bach works that frankly are not musical at all.<snip> Uh oh...I fear the Foxophiles are loading up the napalm cannisters as I = type! >Also obliterating the music by playing at breakneck speeds because one = can >isn't necessarily musical either.<snip> Two names epitomized this concept: Bruce Prince-Joseph and Richard = Ellsasser. >Also, commercial success should not be confused with musicality.<snip> Virg takes another hit! We had better get the thermal-resistant suits = out! Despite the anticipated Armegeddon that's sure to ensue, I fully agree = with Mr. Behnke's thoughts. Covering himself in foil, DeserTBoB
(back) Subject: Baptism Music From: Barry and Claire Bodie <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:41:33 -0400 My wife and I had a daughter on 2 July! Her name is Diana Claire and she weighed 6 pounds 5 ounces. We now have one child for each of our six cats! (Please, no comments comparing me with J.S. Bach.) The reason I have written to the list regarding this happy occasion is to solicit your assistance with suitable music for her Baptism. We plan to = have a "high-church" Episcopal Baptism in the near future and would like to be able to recommend some appropriate hymns, anthems and voluntaries celebrating her coming into the church. The organist/choirmaster is Bev Ward. He is capable of pulling of just = about anything we can challenge him with. The organ is a III/47 Harrison and Harrison replete with party horn and a fantastic acoustic. I would appreciate your thoughts either publically or privately. Barry H. Bodie, M.D. Western Carolina Urological Associates Brevard, N.C.
(back) Subject: Re. 411 for Fox From: "Walter W. Davis" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:56:09 -0500 The A-S console was in place by 1961 but the old H&H was still plugging away in mid-1953. I know, because I graduated from Union Seminary (across the street) in May of that year, and Hugh Porter played the baccalaureate for us to sing "Hallelujah" by Beethoven. It was the H&H all right. I think the A-S did not get in till maybe 1954. I was back for a reunion in '55 and Fred Swann (who was Virgil's assistant at that time) gave a lengthy demonstration of the new organ for us.
(back) Subject: Re: arguments about authenticity that go nowhere From: ray ahrens <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:05:11 PDT There's nothing like playing Bach's "O Mensch bewein" on an 1888 Johnson = and Son organ, melody on the Great Open Diapason, accompaniment on the Swell Open Diapason, and Subbass and Violoncello on the Pedal. Certainly closer = to H.I.P. than the string chorus galore coupled ad naseum. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Winfield, (long) KS Austin saved From: Frank Johnson <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:05:11 -0500 (CDT) >Frank---- >Nice going for you and your crew! A great accomplishment!. I would like = to >see the pictures you took of the removal and such. The fact that the = Austin >is being stored in non-heated, non-airconditioned space is not going = affect >it one bit in my opinion. Its used to that, as are all older EP organs. >Cheers, >---Roc I'll plan to get some scanned and sent tomorrow. Thanks for your comments and interest. Frank Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156
(back) Subject: Performance From: "Dennis Goward" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:00:00 -0700 > >Also, commercial success should not be confused with musicality.<snip> > > Virg takes another hit! We had better get the thermal-resistant > suits out! > > Despite the anticipated Armegeddon that's sure to ensue, I fully > agree with > Mr. Behnke's thoughts. > > Covering himself in foil, No flame here -- just a comment. Playing a musical instrument is an art, just as is composing music = (although a different type of art). If a performer is limited to only reproducing exactly what the composer wanted in registration, tempo, etc, then he/she is little more than a technician, or at worst a living record player. When the musician is free to interpret the piece, then he/she is allowed to also be an artist in cooperation with the composer. Does this mean the composer's markings and notations should be ignored? = No, not at all. And should something be played at breakneck speed just 'cuz = the performer can do it? Certainly not. But the performer should be allowed the freedom to render an artistic performance. Who will determine if that performance is artistic? The audience. They are the final judge. Now, = if that implies commercial success, so be it. What good is a historically accurate and technically perfect performance if not enough people care to hear it? The starving "artist" concept doesn't appeal to me. Dennis Goward
(back) Subject: Disney Organ From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 03:35:26 EDT If only the interest in pipe organ would reach such a peak!!! ;-) Stan Krider antoni scott recently asked: <snip> How much money will Disney charge to look at the organ ? Will we = have to wait 45 minutes in a long line ? I can't wait to be "mugged by MIckey", = once again. <snip>