PipeChat Digest #975 - Wednesday, July 7, 1999
 
out-of-tune organs in Bach's time
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
wind pressure
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@bhsroe.k12.il.us>
Re: wind pressure-Hinners-reed tuning.
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Looking for Rodger Tech
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
spencer blower assembly
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Fw: spencer blower assembly
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Disney Organ
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
411 for Fox
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: wind pressure
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Organ Woes now GONE! =3D)
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Wurlitzer Console Plans
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Glass swell shades
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Theatre Organ Spec.
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
String Organs
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Lauck Pipe Organ Co- MI
  by "Jan Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
FOR SALE- TWO RANKS NJ AREA (XPOSTED)
  by "Jan Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: tuning
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
FOR SALE- NEW 2/15 PIPE ORGAN
  by "Jan Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: FOR SALE- NEW 2/15 PIPE ORGAN
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: out-of-tune organs in Bach's time From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:12:46 EDT   During the discussion of the proper way to play Bach's Wedge, I asked if = the organs of Bach's time were always in tune when he performed on them. I was =   curious to determine if the buildings' temperatures in which Bach = performed were stable enough to support a constantly tuned instrument. Central = heating and air conditioning were definitely not available to stabilize the room = temp from one service to the other.   All responses thus far dealt with the present, not with Bach's time = period.   My question still stands for any organ historians to answer. How = frequently were the organs in Bach's time tuned?   IMHO This question must be answered before we can discuss playing Bach's compositions as he would have played them.   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: wind pressure From: Gary Black <gblack@bhsroe.k12.il.us> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:28:14 -0500   Hi folks, Hot in Illinois here. I need some help. I'd like to know what wind pressures The Hinners Organ Co. of Pekin Ill. used in their organs around 1922. I have a Gottfried 8' oboe from an organ in Peoria and I can't get it to tune. Maybe it was designed to be tuned at A 435? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks GB    
(back) Subject: Re: wind pressure-Hinners-reed tuning. From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:34:51 EDT   Hi Gary---- I have worked on a few Hinners over the years and they almost all = were 4 or 4 1/2 inches w.c. pressure. I suspect that the Oboe was tuned to 435 when new. I have always = been told that the 440 "standard" really got rolling in the 30's Kind regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Rodger Tech From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:07:33 PST     Dennis,   You may want to contact the regular Rodgers dealer - - - his tech is quite =   good.   The dealer is   Wells Music 685 South Broadway Denver, CO 80209   (303) 777-1900     Thanks,   Mark       > Can anyone recommend a qualified, competant and reasonable Rodgers Organ > tech in the Denver, CO area? We need to recommend someone up there to a > friend who needs work on a Rodgers Trio 321B > > Dennis Goward > > Personal: http://members.xoom.com/dgoward/ > Business: http://www.desertsounds.com > http://www.desertsoft.net > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   Ever consider what dogs must think of us? I mean, here we come back from a grocery store with the most amazing haul- chicken, pork, half cow. They must think we're the greatest hunters on earth! -- Anne Tyler    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: MickBerg@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:58:33 EDT   There is a difference between pipes splayed out in an appealing and = artistic fashion, and the chaotic nonsense of the Disney design, which comes from a =   talentless architect whose only abilities are to shock and insult a sadly gullible public. Mick Berg.  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:19:44 -0400       MickBerg@aol.com wrote: > > There is a difference between pipes splayed out in an appealing and = artistic > fashion, and the chaotic nonsense of the Disney design, which comes from = a > talentless architect whose only abilities are to shock and insult a = sadly > gullible public. > Mick Berg. >     Well, am I safe in assuming that you don't like it?  
(back) Subject: spencer blower assembly From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:26:56 -0500   Dear List   We acquired a 7.5 HP spencer blower for our High School TO installation. = We got it in "kit" form. It was sand blasted and painted last week. So now we need to put it together, which prompts a few questions:   It does not have the usual mousetrap-in-a-tube intake. I believe it had a screen stretched over the entire intake side. We did get what looks like a round cast iron register (same size as the ports) with a flat metal bar holding down a double layer of rubber cloth on the grille. I assume this functions like the mouse trap but where does it go? I see no evidence of it having been mounted on the intake.   I recall on an earlier blower there was a felt gasket around the rim of = the inner baffle between the impellers. Does anyone know the required = thickness?   Where else is gasketing used? What size?   What does the arrow on the hub of each impeller mean?   Could someone advise on the correct order and orientation of the pieces that make up the assembly?   As always, I am grateful for the help and advice that we consistently get on this list.   THANKS in advance.   John V      
(back) Subject: Fw: spencer blower assembly From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:57:28 -0500     -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 1:29 PM Subject: spencer blower assembly     >Dear List > >We acquired a 7.5 HP spencer blower for our High School TO installation. = We >got it in "kit" form. It was sand blasted and painted last week. So now = we >need to put it together, which prompts a few questions: > >It does not have the usual mousetrap-in-a-tube intake. I believe it had a >screen stretched over the entire intake side. We did get what looks like = a >round cast iron register (same size as the ports) with a flat metal bar >holding down a double layer of rubber cloth on the grille. I assume this >functions like the mouse trap but where does it go? I see no evidence of >it having been mounted on the intake.   >>>> John, this goes on the upward side of the output. The rubbercloth = sits on top of the output side iron grill, and blows up when the blower is on. > >I recall on an earlier blower there was a felt gasket around the rim of = the >inner baffle between the impellers. Does anyone know the required thickness?   >>>>We found weather-proof felting to be satisfactory -about 3/16 to 1/4 inch thick.   > >Where else is gasketing used? What size?   >>>> On the motor side, where the shaft goes into the cage, there is a double-plate affair with leather in between. > >What does the arrow on the hub of each impeller mean?   >>>> These arrows line up with the line etched length-wise on the motor shaft. These MUST line up for proper balance. > >Could someone advise on the correct order and orientation of the pieces >that make up the assembly?   >>>> Impeller one goes in (motor end), lining arrows up to the line on the shaft. Then the baffle (there are screw holes in the cage indicating where the baffle fits.) Then the second impeller after the baffle. Careful that the impellers = don't touch the baffle or the blower cage. Lateral movement of the impellers on the shaft have an effect on the pressure. The arrows and shaft-line are marked for balance. If not balanced, the blower will tear itself up. The outer intake - side cover goes on last.   **** When putting juice to the blower, cover the output side completely to avoid motor burn-out.**** > >As always, I am grateful for the help and advice that we consistently get >on this list. > >THANKS in advance. > >John V > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Disney Organ From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:07:34 -0400       Hello List,   I was away from my computer for about a week ; - ) and upon returning to = 100's of postings had to delete most without reading. I'm curious what this = "Disney Organ" is all about. Are they actually installing a pipe organ at one of = their amusement parks? Has a specification been published? If you don't care = to post to the "List" you may send directly to me at: wayne_burcham@rsausa.com   Thanks.      
(back) Subject: 411 for Fox From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:40:13 -0700   >>From pipechat@pipechat.org Sat Jul 03 12:11:23 1999 >Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:10:15 -0700 >X-Sender: desertbob@mail.rglobal.net >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> >Subject: 411 for Fox >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sender: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.5 by Fog City Software, Inc. >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.rglobal.net id MAA02519 > >Dear Pipechatters: > >I'm archiving a collection of 15 albums of Virgil Fox that I recently >acquired, and have a question about his lone Columbia release, "Organ >Reveries" (CL 813). The jacket and disk itself lead me to believe this LP >was issued around 1952-53, Virgil's only release on LP for Columbia, I >believe<snip>   UPDATE!   The above-mentioned LP was not Virgil's "only" for Columbia; he had released a 78 rpm album and two 10" LPs for them in the '40s. The "Organ Reveries" LP was his only 12" LP release for Columbia, and it was recorded in 1951 on the original H&H of 1930. I THOUGHT so! One can hear trademark voicing and balance of H&H in the recording, although the organ as a whole is horribly muffled. It seems some rocket scientists at H&H lined the entire front of the organ with 32' wood, thus acting like a swell shade that would never open. One can only ponder what the original H&H would have sounded like, vis a vis the E. & G.G. Hook of Immaculate Conception, Boston, had the chambers been laid out in a proper fashion. Mr. Davis correctly points out that the new =C6-S console was in place by the time this record was= recorded, actually having been installed in 1948. Quite a bit of the original H&H does survive in the =C6-S rebuild, however, which G. Donald Harrison handed off to Whiteford in a move to prevent having to deal with the ever unpredictable and changeable Virgil!   Just some orgo-trivia for a hot July day...   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: wind pressure From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:37:05 -0700   I'd guess around 4-5 inches at most (lower if it's a tracker), and yes, it probably IS A=3D435 ... Old St. Mary's Austin was built in 1928, and it = was in transition ... A=3D437 or something really weird like that. The E.M. Skinner chimes in the Finney Chapel organ at Oberlin were still A=3D435, = even though Harrison had rebuilt the organ and raised the pitch to A=3D440 in = the '50s.   Cheers,   Bud   Gary Black wrote:   > Hi folks, Hot in Illinois here. I need some help. I'd like to know > what wind pressures The Hinners Organ Co. of Pekin Ill. used in their > organs around 1922. I have a Gottfried 8' oboe from an organ in Peoria > and I can't get it to tune. Maybe it was designed to be tuned at A > 435? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks GB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:48:45 -0700   Gee ... he could be describing the design for Cardinal Mahoney's new = boondoggle. When I read that the (Spanish) architect took His Eminence into Toledo = (Spain's) cathedral (one of the most beautiful in the world) and told him that this = was NOT what he wanted to build, the die was pretty much cast (sigh).   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - It will have a pipe organ ... a Ruffarti, I suppose.   Stanley Lowkis wrote:   > MickBerg@aol.com wrote: > > > > There is a difference between pipes splayed out in an appealing and = artistic > > fashion, and the chaotic nonsense of the Disney design, which comes = from a > > talentless architect whose only abilities are to shock and insult a = sadly > > gullible public. > > Mick Berg. > > > > Well, am I safe in assuming that you don't like it? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Woes now GONE! =) From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:30:59 EDT   In a message dated 7/4/99 1:58:09 PM Central Daylight Time, = OrganBoy@nwu.edu writes:   << Anyone want to be my campaign advisor?! >> Get a bunch of Presbyterians to give up their pew cushions? Good Luck! :) Personally I find the organ bench more comfortable (even without the back rest) than any pew, with or without cushions.  
(back) Subject: Wurlitzer Console Plans From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:54:00 -0400   Does anybody have a set of Wurlitzer blueprint for one of their consoles. Perferably a three or four manual?     Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Glass swell shades From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:54:21 EDT   I know this thread was started a couple of years ago, but I forgot what we discussed.   Anyways, Are glass shades as good as aluminum, are aluminum as good as wood? do they have individual properties the others don't have?   What would be good on theatre organs? Church Organs? String Organs?     Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Theatre Organ Spec. From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:54:26 -0400   I was wondering if when companies built theatre organs, did they enclose the traps (tuned and untuned) in the Main boxes, Solo boxes, Bombarde boxes, or what? I've seen some theatre organs with unenclosed traps and others with enclosed ones. Are they enclosed if they are accompanying productions? Are they unenclosed when in a solo performance? Or should the percussion be enclosed in a seperate box controlled by a seperate expression pedal?   thanks,   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: String Organs From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:52:36 -0400   Should Audsley's idea/production of a String organ be included in a theatre organ for theatre production of the old-time broadway/vaudeville productions?   I was talking to the director of music for the local theatre here in town (who is also my personal best-friend) and he said that he didn't like strings in theatre productions for two reasons: 1. We don't have many people in the area who will play for free and with a lot of time out of their schedules. 2. The dozen or so he's worked with in anything (theatre, church, concert, etc...) they have gone out of tune after a couple of songs.     Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Lauck Pipe Organ Co- MI From: Jan Vanderstad <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:01:48 -0400   Good Evening Listmembers Last weekend at a young peoples convention I was priveliged to play a 13 rank or so pipe organ by Lauck Pipe Organ Co installed in the Netherlands Reformed Church of Kalamazoo, MI. I would like to know more about the company and organs they built. If any of you can help me out, please email privately. Jan Vanderstad  
(back) Subject: FOR SALE- TWO RANKS NJ AREA (XPOSTED) From: Jan Vanderstad <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:07:58 -0400   Good evening----   I have two ranks for sale. They are from an early 1900's Hillgreen & Lane Organ. Both are in A-1 condition and voiced on 4" wind pressure. 8' Open Diapason 61 pipes, 40 scale complete 8' Dulciana (Lowest A or A# missing)   Ranks are located in NJ. ASKING BEST OFFER. Email Privately.   Jan Vanderstad  
(back) Subject: Re: tuning From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:37:21 -0400   >Somehow this does not make sense to me. If a room is kept at a more >or >less constant temperature, why on earth would an organ need constant >tuning? Unless it was a Moller (oops!) ;-)   My 1913 Moller /1961 Knapton organ was literaly butchered! But I'm not going to get into this.   However, the Swell is above the Great and the Great burried behind the facade, with the pedal stops in all different places. 3 of the 16' Open Diapason are metal pipes on a windchest with the bottom octave of the 4' Gt. Flute and the 4'/2' Pedal Gedeckt extension all crambed behind the facade attached to the side of the console (recessed into the organ case). But, the church temperature is SSSSOOOO heavily changing that at the beginning of the Prelude, the organ would sound one way, but at the end of the Prelude, the organ would be in either worse or better tune than the beginning.   The Corneopean 8' in the Swell I have to tune before I use it and then during the piece, it would go noticable out of tune when it is played or used with the rest of the organ!   Well, I guess Bruce is correct!   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: FOR SALE- NEW 2/15 PIPE ORGAN From: Jan Vanderstad <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:36:26 -0400   FOR SALE 2 MANUAL, 15 RANK PIPE ORGAN WITH CHIMES AND TWO PEDAL EXTENSIONS. OPUS 52 DUTCH CRAFT ORGAN BUILDERS, 1994 PATENTED "ELECTRO-TRACKER" UNIVERSAL CHESTS, #2,798,399 JULY 1957   ASKING PRICE: $95,000 INSTALLED; TODAY'S VALUE: OVER $125,000. ORGAN IS LOCATED IN LAKE WALES, FL. PURCHASER RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIPPING AND HANDLING COSTS.   SPECIFICATIONS BELOW. PLEASE EMAIL PRIVATELY FOR PHOTOS, VIDEOTAPE AND OTHER INFO.   Great: 1. 8' Principal 61 pipes 2. 8' Gedeckt Pommer or Rohrflute (your choice) 61 pipes 3. 4' Octave 61 pipes 4. 2-2/3' Twelfth 61 pipes 5. 2' Fifteenth 61 pipes 6. Mixture III 19. 22. 26. 183 pipes 7. 8' Trumpet 61 pipes 8. Chimes 21 tubes 4' Great to Great 16', 8', 4' Swell to Great   Swell: 9. 16' Leiblich Bourdon 96 pipes (unit) 10. 8' Stopped Flute 61 notes 11. 8' Viole 61 pipes 12. 8' Viole Celeste 49 pipes 13. 4' Prestant 61 pipes 14. 4' Koppel Flute 61 notes 15. 2' Block Flute 61 notes 16. (Choose Two: 17. (Oboe, Clarinet, Krumhorn, Rohr Shalmei, Vox Humana, Dulzian) Tremolo 16' Swell to Swell, Swell Unison Off, 4' Swell to Swell   Pedal: 18. 16' Bourdon (from #9) 32 notes 19. 8' Principal (from #1)32 notes 20. 8' (your choice) (from #2) 32 notes 21. 4' Choral Bass (32 notes) 22. 4' Flute (from #9) 32 notes 23. 16' Fagotto (from #7) and 12 pipes 24. 8' Trumpet (from #7) 32 notes 8' 4' Great to Pedal 8' 4' Swell to Pedal  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: antoni scott <ascott@epix.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:46:13 -0400   Does anyone on the list like it, the facade , that is ?   Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > MickBerg@aol.com wrote: > > > > There is a difference between pipes splayed out in an appealing and = artistic > > fashion, and the chaotic nonsense of the Disney design, which comes = from a > > talentless architect whose only abilities are to shock and insult a = sadly > > gullible public. > > Mick Berg. > > > > Well, am I safe in assuming that you don't like it? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 01:08:23 -0400       antoni scott wrote: > > Does anyone on the list like it, the facade , that is ? >   I do.   Assuming that the unusual design does not adversely affect the tonal character of the Rosales organ, the boldly iconoclastic design does not have any "downside" risk. The worst that can happen is that the appearance would be criticized publicly, sometimes vehemently.   If a pipe organ in a concert setting arouses public attention, assuming that the high musical standards of Rosales are maintained, I see any publicity for a new pipe organ as a windfall for pipe organs in general.   Look at the discussion mileage that we have gotten out of this already!   General Public Quote: "Wow! That's the weirdest lookin' organ I ever seen. I wonder what it sounds like?"   Stan Lowkis  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: MickBerg@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:31:48 EDT   The architect for Disney Hall is Frank Gehry. Master of nailing bits of = bent corrugated iron to the side of an existing house and calling it = architecture. Maybe a trip to the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona would have been a good = idea. He might have discovered that it is possible to be original without being cretinous. Is there an organ in that incredibly original and beautiful building? If so, what does it look like? Enough from me, I'll shut up now. But I hope you all get the message that = I'm NOT IMPRESSED!!! Mick Berg. P.S. Interesting word, "cretinous". It's actually the same as "Christian"!  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:38:23 -0400 (EDT)   >>P.S. Interesting word, "cretinous". It's actually the same as "Christian"!<<   Wrong, about Cretinous. At least if my memory serves. Cretinous is a derogatory usage (actually found in the Bible) referring to how the folks on Crete used to live and act, or were alleged to have lived and acted. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: FOR SALE- NEW 2/15 PIPE ORGAN From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:24:46 -0700   Is this the organ out of the Episcopal church in Lake Wales? I'm from that neck of the woods ...   Cheers,   Bud   Jan Vanderstad wrote:   > FOR SALE > 2 MANUAL, 15 RANK PIPE ORGAN WITH CHIMES AND TWO PEDAL EXTENSIONS. > OPUS 52 > DUTCH CRAFT ORGAN BUILDERS, 1994 > PATENTED "ELECTRO-TRACKER" UNIVERSAL CHESTS, #2,798,399 JULY 1957 > > ASKING PRICE: $95,000 INSTALLED; TODAY'S VALUE: OVER $125,000. > ORGAN IS LOCATED IN LAKE WALES, FL. > PURCHASER RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIPPING AND HANDLING COSTS. > > SPECIFICATIONS BELOW. PLEASE EMAIL PRIVATELY FOR PHOTOS, VIDEOTAPE AND > OTHER INFO. > > Great: > 1. 8' Principal 61 pipes > 2. 8' Gedeckt Pommer or Rohrflute (your choice) 61 pipes > 3. 4' Octave 61 pipes > 4. 2-2/3' Twelfth 61 pipes > 5. 2' Fifteenth 61 pipes > 6. Mixture III 19. 22. 26. 183 pipes > 7. 8' Trumpet 61 pipes > 8. Chimes 21 tubes > 4' Great to Great > 16', 8', 4' Swell to Great > > Swell: > 9. 16' Leiblich Bourdon 96 pipes (unit) > 10. 8' Stopped Flute 61 notes > 11. 8' Viole 61 pipes > 12. 8' Viole Celeste 49 pipes > 13. 4' Prestant 61 pipes > 14. 4' Koppel Flute 61 notes > 15. 2' Block Flute 61 notes > 16. (Choose Two: > 17. (Oboe, Clarinet, Krumhorn, Rohr Shalmei, Vox Humana, Dulzian) > Tremolo > 16' Swell to Swell, Swell Unison Off, 4' Swell to Swell > > Pedal: > 18. 16' Bourdon (from #9) 32 notes > 19. 8' Principal (from #1)32 notes > 20. 8' (your choice) (from #2) 32 notes > 21. 4' Choral Bass (32 notes) > 22. 4' Flute (from #9) 32 notes > 23. 16' Fagotto (from #7) and 12 pipes > 24. 8' Trumpet (from #7) 32 notes > 8' 4' Great to Pedal > 8' 4' Swell to Pedal > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:43:45 -0700       On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:46:13 -0400 antoni scott <ascott@epix.net> writes: > Does anyone on the list like it, the facade , that is ? >   Well, conditionally, yes. The condition is, I need to see a better picture, something other than a story board sketch. I was hoping the Roasles Website (rosales.com) would have a better drawing, but it doesn't even have a stop list. Not to mention that my monitor isn't the latest thing in video technology.   Shalom, Preston Wilson p.wilson2@juno.com       ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.