PipeChat Digest #977 - Wednesday, July 7, 1999 Re:Tuning in Bach's Time by "dave" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Fw: Glass swell shades by "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> Re: Disney pipe facade by "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> T O traps by "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> Brian-Paul Thomas, St. Mark's, New Canaan by <ManderUSA@aol.com> Re: spencer blower assembly by <ORGANUT@aol.com> Forwarded message regarding Pipes For Sale by "Administrator" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: spencer blower assembly by <JBlack1993@aol.com> Fw: Fog Horns! by "Carl & Grace Snip" <email@example.com> Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? by "Carl & Grace Snip" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? by "Stanley E Yoder" <email@example.com> Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? by "Bud/burgie" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: spencer blower assembly by "Administrator" <email@example.com> Fw: steam vs. air by "Carl & Grace Snip" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans by "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Re: Disney Concert Hall by "bruce cornely" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Disney Organ Facade by <email@example.com> what piece is this? by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Disney Concert Hall by "Richard Pinel" <email@example.com> Re: Disney Organ Facade by "Richard Pinel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Disney Organ Facade by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Re: Disney Concert Hall by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM> Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
(back) Subject: Re:Tuning in Bach's Time From: dave <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 02:06:40 -0700 List: I'm a bit confused over the question of the tuning of organ's in Bach's time. Are you asking whether Bach's organs were in tune "with themselves" or whether they were "in tune" with some standard (e.g. A=3D440). If the former, I should think that the organs -- because of the way they were winded -- would have been pretty much in tune with themselves --- = that is, the Haupwerk was sounding the same frequencies as the Positiv and/or the Pedaal divisions and vice versa. I say this since the organs were winded by hand (or foot) from a central bellows so that the air reaching all divisions was essentially the same temperature -- the temperature of the ambient air in and around the main bellows. If the church was cold, = the bellows was equally cold and, it seems to me, the "tuning" of all = divisions would be all a little flat -- but equally flat. Conversely, on a hot July afternoon, the entire organ would be a little sharp --- compared to the tuning on an "average" spring or fall day. In any event, it would not be noticeable except to the most acute listener with highly developed perfect = pitch. These variations in sharpness and flatness would be a function of the air actually reaching the pipes through the trunks of the winding system and = to a lessor extent the air in the chests. I can't see where the question of "how often the instruments were tuned" has anything to do with this sense of the word "tuning." If a particular stop (say the 8' Principal of the Hauptwerk) was itself tuned, it might be out of tune with the Trumpett or 2' Octaaf of the same chest but that would have nothing to do with the temperature of the building would it? And in any case, what would any of these concerns have to do with the way = a particular piece way played ---- disregarding unwanted tremulant = effects!!! Dave Pitzer
(back) Subject: Fw: Glass swell shades From: "VEAGUE" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:37:00 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Jason D. Comet <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 8:00 PM Subject: Glass swell shades >I know this thread was started a couple of years ago, but I forgot what >we discussed. > >Anyways, >Are glass shades as good as aluminum, are aluminum as good as wood? do >they have individual properties the others don't have? > >What would be good on theatre organs? >>>> Wicks used double-paned = picture window glass (I believe) in some of their self-contained theatre models. Others have used plexiglass. >Church Organs? >>>> Unless you serve pizza in your church, I would stick to wood shades. >String Organs? >>>> Ummm...would that be g-string organs? > >ALUMINUM >>>> Austin tried aluminum shades which doubled as fan = tremulants. They looked like whirly-gigs spinning around, but never got off the = ground. >Jason Comet >firstname.lastname@example.org > |\ Organist/Choir Director > | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ >O ~20 member choir > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:email@example.com >Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com >
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:35:36 -0500 Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > antoni scott wrote: > > > > Does anyone on the list like it, the facade , that is ? > > > > I do. > > Assuming that the unusual design does not adversely affect the > tonal character of the Rosales organ, the boldly iconoclastic > design does not have any "downside" risk. > > The worst that can happen is that the appearance would be > criticized publicly, sometimes vehemently. > > If a pipe organ in a concert setting arouses public attention, > assuming that the high musical standards of Rosales are maintained, > I see any publicity for a new pipe organ as a windfall for pipe organs > in general. > > Look at the discussion mileage that we have gotten out of this > already! > > General Public Quote: "Wow! That's the weirdest lookin' organ I > ever seen. I wonder what it sounds like?" I actually like the design. At the beginning of the present thread Bruce Cornely compared it to a container full of French fries, and I certainly see how one might think that -- but what is wrong with that. It would be a one-off, non-repeatable design that nobody would dream of reproducing ever again -- like "The Hand of God" organ in France -- but it is unusual, different, interesting. I am all for it. John Speller
(back) Subject: T O traps From: "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:41:26 -0500 Jason... Most origional theatre organ installations I have played, the toys are always enclosed in the main chamber. As was usual fare, pizza organs had everything exposed to entertain the kids. Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net
(back) Subject: Brian-Paul Thomas, St. Mark's, New Canaan From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:55:08 EDT I attended last night a cool (kewl) recital in the hellish heat of a = lovely modern building, just modern enough to have no windows that open, but not modern enough for air-conditioning. What was billed as "A Recital of Light = Classics," played by Brian-Paul Thomas, Music Director at St. Mark's = Church, New Canaan, CT, made a lot of the pain of the heat go away. It was a delightful evening, somewhat reminiscent of an English town hall recital. Somehow, the Percy Fletcher Festival Toccata has never appealed to me, but = it is a crowd pleaser, and, in this case, made a good opening to the recital. = Next, a four movement Suite for a Musical Clock, by Handel, arranged by Richard Purvis. Brian-Paul then very clearly and simply explained a bit to = the audience about Concerto Grosso structure - Concertino, Ripieno - = before playing the first movement, Allegro, of the Bach Vivaldi A Minor Concerto. = I think this helped the audience focus on the music. In a pleasant switch of = mood, we then heard the Virgil Fox arrangement for solo organ of Cantabile = Symphonique, from the Saint-Saens Third Symphony - very lush and lovely. = We then learned that Bellini wrote a piece for organ, Sonata per Organo, with = an introduction, and a very operatic Allegro - quite giggleworthy, mostly because it is a style we don't expect to come out of a church organ. Back = to lush again, with a Dale Wood Voluntary on New Britain (Amazing Grace), and = to close the program brilliantly, the Bonnet Concert Variations. What a nice = way to spend a summer evening, even a hot one. The organ, by the way, is a 60s = Austin, installed high on the east wall (in a very warm and live = acoustic), with the choir seated under it. A most remarkable and huge reredos/screen (completely sound-transparent) runs from floor to ceiling behind the high altar, and behind it is the organist, surrounded by his choir, with the = organ above. This church also has a free-standing carillon tower, and a bell concert is played before these summer programs. I arrived for the last 15 minutes of abolutely brilliant bell playing by George Matthew. There is a concert next Tuesday night (8:15), this time outside in the attractive courtyard, preceded by a carillon recital which can be enjoyed on the = great lawn in front of the church. Cheers, Malcolm Wechsler Mander Organs, Ltd. - U. S. A. www.mander-organs.com
(back) Subject: Re: spencer blower assembly From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:20:56 EDT In a message dated 7/6/99 1:28:35 PM Central Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: JOHN, maybe this info will help. << It does not have the usual mousetrap-in-a-tube intake. I believe it had a screen stretched over the entire intake side. We did get what looks like = a round cast iron register (same size as the ports) with a flat metal bar holding down a double layer of rubber cloth on the grille. I assume this functions like the mouse trap but where does it go? I see no evidence of it having been mounted on the intake. ANSWER: The iron register you refer to goes inside the air discharge = nozzle. It is mounted with the canvas valve on top. I recall on an earlier blower there was a felt gasket around the rim of = the inner baffle between the impellers. Does anyone know the required = thickness? ANSWER: The felt needs to be one inch wide by 3/16 inch thick. You can order it from Southeastern Felt Supply-Concord,North Carolina-1-800-438-2252 = You can get it with the adhesive already applied to one side. Where else is gasketing used? What size? ANSWER: On all of the baffles including the first one which is directly = in front of the motor. Also on the rim of the blower where the cover which would have = had the inlet snout mounted. Same size will work fine. A flat gasket with a = hole for the shaft to pass through (snug fit) is mounted on the first baffle (The one = you can see in front of the motor). What does the arrow on the hub of each impeller mean? ANSWER: The arrow is usually lined up with a scribe mark which runs the length of the shaft. You can usually see the marks on the shaft left by the Allen nuts or short studs which were used to tighten the impeller hub. The larger fan wheels have a split hub with two studs for tightening. They still had a set = screw which is snugged first. Could someone advise on the correct order and orientation of the pieces that make up the assembly? ANSWER: If you will contact me privately, I can tell you how to = reassemble the blower. The answer on the list would be so involved it would probably = bore everyone. As always, I am grateful for the help and advice that we consistently get on this list. THANKS in advance. John V >> John, The round cast iron register you refer to goes in the outlet collar. The canvas valve on it is on the top side of the register.
(back) Subject: Forwarded message regarding Pipes For Sale From: Administrator <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:49:58 -0500 The following was received at the PipeChat Administration account. The sender is not a subscriber so please direct any inquiries to the address given in the headers below. David *********************************************************************** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:57:03 -0400 From: Paulette Watkins <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Organ pipes for sale Hello everyone, Once again we have organ pipes for sale. We are just about finished with = the restoration of our Extension organ and there are pipes we are no longer = using. These pipes are "damaged" and would need work to put them right. They = will be sold "as is" with no warranties. Please make an offer if you are interested in purchasing the pipes. There are six mixtures: Great Mixtures 2&2/3 Full mixture IV 1&1/2 Scharf IV Swell Mixtures 2&2/3 Plein Jeu VI 2/3 Cymbale IV Hauptwerk Mixture IV-VI Scharf IV-VII ********************************************************************** **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat 850-478-9635 mailto:email@example.com
(back) Subject: Re: spencer blower assembly From: JBlack1993@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:49:05 EDT Could you do me a favor. I did not keep the "unsubscribe" info. for = pipechat and now can't get off this chat site. Could you let me know how to unsubscribe. Many thanks. Also have an Austin organ c. 1925 for sale here in Denver. Any hints as to = where I could let people now about it? Thank you.
(back) Subject: Fw: Fog Horns! From: "Carl & Grace Snip" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:01:47 -0400 Years ago a classmate and I were visiting a friend of his who was (a lift = bridge operator?/lighthouse attendant?) employed tending lighthouses, beacons and = such, located on and about the Beach Strip of the harbour at Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. In our = travels that day they showed me an old manually-operated foghorn; IIRC it was a box roughly 4' = long x 3' wide x 2' deep, and at one end had two diaphragms/sound holes, one somewhat larger than = the other. On the "out" stroke of the operating lever a relatively higher tone was = produced, and on the return stroke a second tone a fifth lower than the first was generated, something = on the order of LO LO LO "G" followed by "C" three octaves below middle "C" ( I hope I'm describing = it correctly; I don't know the proper method of musical denotation). Don't quote me on the = pitches, all I know was the sound was Serioso Basso Profundo, and deafening; we were in a = not-too-large equipment storage room at the time, but demonstrated our sheer folly by trying the foghorn = several times anyway. For quite a few minutes thereafter no sound was produced by the voiceboxes of the = other two, although I could see that they were attempting normal speech (grin). crsnip (Graduate of Canadian Power Squadron's Basic Boating course, and amateur = sailor, although my wife wishes I didn't "amat" it quite as much as I do) -----Original Message----- From: Bill <WGWUTILS@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <email@example.com> Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Fog Horns! Edward, you haven't yet told us what you need the foghorn for. As I listed once before, the Great Lakes Lighthouse foghorns were a special type of Diaphone developed and patented by Robert Hope-Jones. I haven't the foggiest idea what pitch they were except that the sound was more of a BAAROOMPH rather than one fixed tone. You can't imagine how much reverberation fog can enhance until you hear one of these horns blast within a rocky fog-hidden coastline :-) Bill Winchester (former Great Lakes boater) <clipped>
(back) Subject: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? From: "Carl & Grace Snip" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:40:29 -0400 I admit, it's off-topic (then again, maybe someone has accompanied it on = the ORGAN!!! [talk about a thin connection] ) but it is a Christian music question: On a television show called "Nothing Sacred" there was an episode where at = the conclusion of a funeral service for a nun they sang a song with lyrics that go something = like this: Verse 1? You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord, who abide in His shadow for life: Say to the Lord, "My refuge, my Rock in whom I trust." Refrain: And He will bear you up on eagle's wings, bear you on the breath of dawn, make you to shine like the sun, and hold you in the palm of his hand. Verse 2? No terror, no power, will ever capture you, and heaven will bring you no fear; under his wings your shelter, his faithfulness you shield. (Refrain) If anyone can tell me the title of the piece, its publisher, where/how I = can buy a copy, whether it comes in sheet-music format or if it's in a hymnal or something, I'd = appreciate it. thanks! crsnip email@example.com
(back) Subject: Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? From: Stanley E Yoder <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:56:31 -0400 (EDT) It's called "On Eagle's Wings", text and music by Michael Joncas, copyright 1979. Originating within the Roman Catholic milieu, it is now in just about every hymnal supplement published since, regardless of denomination. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh
(back) Subject: Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? From: Bud/burgie <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:09:23 -0700 It's called "On Eagle Wings" ... it's in most of the missalettes, and = G.I.A.'s "Gather" hymnal. Cheers, Bud Carl & Grace Snip wrote: > I admit, it's off-topic (then again, maybe someone has accompanied it on = the ORGAN!!! [talk about a > thin connection] ) but it is a Christian music question: > > On a television show called "Nothing Sacred" there was an episode where = at the conclusion of a > funeral service for a nun they sang a song with lyrics that go something = like this: > > Verse 1? > You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord, > who abide in His shadow for life: > Say to the Lord, "My refuge, my Rock in whom I trust." > > Refrain: > And He will bear you up on eagle's wings, > bear you on the breath of dawn, > make you to shine like the sun, > and hold you in the palm of his hand. > > Verse 2? > > No terror, no power, will ever capture you, > and heaven will bring you no fear; > under his wings your shelter, > his faithfulness you shield. > > (Refrain) > > If anyone can tell me the title of the piece, its publisher, where/how I = can buy a copy, whether it > comes in sheet-music format or if it's in a hymnal or something, I'd = appreciate it. > > thanks! > > crsnip > > firstname.lastname@example.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com
(back) Subject: Re: spencer blower assembly From: Administrator <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:14:50 -0500 >Could you do me a favor. I did not keep the "unsubscribe" info. for = pipechat >and now can't get off this chat site. Could you let me know how to >unsubscribe. Many thanks. > >Also have an Austin organ c. 1925 for sale here in Denver. Any hints as = to >where I could let people now about it? Thank you. Before I unsubscribe you from PipeChat, I would suggest that you post the specifics of the Austin to the list. There might be someone here that would be interested or would know of someone who is in search of an organ. David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat 850-478-9635 mailto:email@example.com
(back) Subject: Fw: steam vs. air From: "Carl & Grace Snip" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:27:48 -0400 Hello Roc, Frank, Phil, & List! I've only heard calliopes, never played one, but I do have a Stationary = Engineer's ticket (3rd class) so I will try to add something constructive to this thread. Excuse me, I'm not trying to be an ass, but ANY compressed gas when = released to atmosphere will expand in accord with the ol' pressure versus volume thing, so to say that = air does NOT expand is incorrect. That being said, I will nonetheless most definitely agree that steam would = sound a whistle in a completely different manner than would air; the stuff about air rapidly = being displaced by steam within the whistle column, the change in whistle characteristics = engendered as the whistle heats up, the effect of varying amounts of condensate present as the whistle = operates, all make sense as being contributors to an entirely distinct sound. Now I'm going to go out on a limb; I will try to keep the technical = language to a minimum, or at least explain its context. My limited grasp of thermodynamics tells me that as air expands to = atmospheric pressure it undergoes an adiabatic (meaning without the addition or removal of energy = from an external source) expansion which will cause its temperature to drop from its pre-expansion = level. This is the same effect that causes the temperature of the air coming in off of the Pacific = Ocean to drop as it is forced to climb the Rocky Mountains. (Interestingly, this effect in = reverse causes a rise in temperature of the winds that descend from the mountains east of Orange, = California down into the valley, commonly known as the Santa Ana winds.) Thus operating a whistle on air should cause some changes to its sound as = operation continues and the whistle cools. (I'm just theorizing here; anyone who knows differently = please respond, as I'd like to know.) Operating a whistle on steam should add the wrinkle that even though steam = undergoes adiabatic expansion just like any expanding gas, it is much, much hotter to begin = with and thus will heat up the whistle. However the other hugely significant difference is that = whereas air will operate a whistle only as an expansive device, steam will be operating calorically = as well as expansively, in other words it will be converting its enthalpy (internal energy) into work = , thus operating as a "heat engine." carl snip [hurriedly donning my suit of ablative armour, while also watching for = incoming tomatoes] -----Original Message----- From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> To: email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 12:46 AM Subject: Re: steam vs. air >Hi Frank, Phil, and list--- > I dont have a complete answer for you folks on the air versus steam >question. However, I do have results of experimentation at our local >railroad, that being consumption of air versus steam to toot the same >locomotive whistle. It takes 3 times as much compressed air, volume wise, = to >blow a steam whistle than steam itself. We came to the conclusion that = the >much larger air usage was, in fact, because air does NOT expand, and = steam >does. >Regards, >---Roc
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans From: John Vanderlee <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:49:48 -0500 >Does anybody have a set of Wurlitzer blueprint for one of their consoles. > Perferably a three or four manual? DeKalb University supposedly has all the Wurlitzer documentation. At least that's where we found our original theater chamber lay-out. John V
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Concert Hall From: firstname.lastname@example.org (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:09:39 -0400 (EDT) The Disney organ can be seen and spec's viewed at the below site. The address to the news page is <http://www.gg-organs.com/inco/fr_inco.htm> Go to info, then to news, then Disney.. Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ email@example.com ~~+~~+~~ Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman
(back) Subject: Disney Organ Facade From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:38:10 PDT I am torn between both sides. Being a traditionalist myself - I prefer "normal" looking cases - I don't even care for the Holtkamp displays of ranks and ranks of pipework with the exposed swell box. Very ugly and untilitarian in my opinion. They look like the organ project ran out of money for case work. Now on the Disney organ - I have to admit the small photo we 'can' see of it looks quite bizzare but if it causes interest in our rather decomposing art of organ music - what could be the harm in that?!? If it's oddity creates awarness of the organ and it's music - perhaps others will seek out other venues with nicer facades to hear more organ music. We can only hope though that these nicer facades have the pipework behind the pretty face to keep the interst. Let's face it ladies = and gentlemen - after all is said and done - it is the actual playing pipework that we really care about. The facade is just that - superficial. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
(back) Subject: what piece is this? From: <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:51:13 PDT The song in question is called, "On Eagles Wings" a Glory and Praise tune = by I forget which composer but published by just about every Catholic hymn resource. Most Catholic organist I know hate the thing for it's overwrought sentimentality akin to a hammond playing in a funeral parlor - perhaps the = song really belongs there. We have nick named the thing, "Pigeons Wings" and try to steer anyone and everyone away from this fine example of the destruction of Catholic music in this country. This my dear fellows is = why we Catholic Organists have to deal with the comments that we never do any real music in our churches. Maitre _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Concert Hall From: "Richard Pinel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:14:41 +0100 Dear List, This big picture is no better!!! 16=B4 Llamada 8=B4 Llamada 4=B4 Llamada 8=B4 Trompeta de los angeles ( IV) ????????????? Richard
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Organ Facade From: "Richard Pinel" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:30:11 +0100 >Let's face it ladies >and gentlemen - after all is said and done - it is the actual playing >pipework that we really care about. The facade is just that - = superficial. Actually the French Fries Facade (notice my subtle use of alliteration!) = is the 32' Open Diapason and 32' Violone Richard
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Organ Facade From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:29:27 EDT Nice alliteration, Richard <G> definitely! Cheers, ---Roc
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Concert Hall From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:58:46 -0400 Pedal: 32' Rock Hudson 16' Paramount Diapason 8' Spielberg Spielflute 4' Hollywood Harmonics (VIII) 16' Pavarotti Posaune 8' Roseanne Humana 4' Oxnard Ophiclede MIDI (Maximum Instrument Done Ineptly) The picture is so tiny that no one really seems to know what it will look = like. I'm sure that when Gaudi was building Sacra Familia in Barcelona that many thought (think) that he was crazy. Has anyone actually seen anything = other that a postage-stamp-size picture?
(back) Subject: Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Eagles Wings!! It's extremely popular. at our church we even have a handbell arrangement. You should have no trouble locating it in your Christian bookstore, or choral catalogues. --Neil