PipeChat Digest #980 - Friday, July 9, 1999
 
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Congratulations Richard!
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #979 - 07/08/99
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by <music@telenet.net>
Re: Disney Pipe Organ
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
sacred vocal solos ... HALP!
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: sacred vocal solos ... HALP!
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Biigs vs. Fox
  by "dave" <dpitzer@sonic.net>
Re: Disney pipe facade
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Disney etc...
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: sacred vocal solos ... HALP!
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
mR. pINEL cONCERT
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Austin Saved
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Disney etc...
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Organ Concert 7/31/99
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is?
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Disney facade pipes
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Recital
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Congratulations Richard!
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Recital
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: antoni scott <ascott@epix.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:19:04 -0400   Seems that the facade is a "heap" of pipes something like I have seen in a pipe organ builders "trash " room. What person other than a Disney freak two year old could take such inartistic garbage seriously. The designer must have had a bad experience with prescription thorazine. All joking aside, I find the whole visual experience to be an insult to the organ builders artistic design. The whole thing is an appalling example of Disney forcing its trash juvenile ideas onto a mature audience and thinking we will accept it as OK. Well, I for one do not accept the gross facade, no matter how well the organ may sound. In fact, I think that it may be a detriment to an otherwise good organ and builder.   antoni scott wrote: > > Does anyone on the list like it, the facade , that is ? > > Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > > > MickBerg@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > There is a difference between pipes splayed out in an appealing and = artistic > > > fashion, and the chaotic nonsense of the Disney design, which comes = from a > > > talentless architect whose only abilities are to shock and insult a = sadly > > > gullible public. > > > Mick Berg. > > > > > > > Well, am I safe in assuming that you don't like it? > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Congratulations Richard! From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:32:26 EDT   In a message dated 7/8/99 7:40:49 PM Central Daylight Time, karr_sf@ACADMN.MERCER.EDU writes:   << Whoops! James O'Donnell's already got it. Sorry. >>   When did this happen??? Why was I not informed?  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:41:06 -0400       antoni scott wrote: > > Seems that the facade is a "heap" of pipes something like I have seen in > a pipe organ builders "trash " room. What person other than a Disney > freak two year old could take such inartistic garbage seriously... >(snip)   It seems that we on the organ lists have found another topic revolving around an aesthetic difference of opinion that is being expressed in sharply polorizing language.   I, personally will be going "NO POST" on this topic, unless any of these sharp critics have the power to exert any influence whatsoever on the design and execution of this project.   Stan Lowkis  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #979 - 07/08/99 From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 99 20:44:44 -0500   Good Evening Pipechatter's:   I have been following the many postings regarding the new instrument which is to be built for a Disney concert hall.   Nearly every Tom, Dick & Harry on this list have commented one or more times regarding the design of the facade for this instrument.   Most postings read like "sour grapes". Many of the posters seem to have more knowledge regarding organ facde design and construction than the architect or the builder.   Let's move on to something more worthwhile.   Have a good evening.   Tom Gregory Waukesha WI USA  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: music@telenet.net Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:51:18 -0700   Personally, I think all it (the facade) is lacking is...... 20lbs. of salt and a 55gal.drum of ketchup! I simply can't imagine sitting down and playing any serious literature on this hideous thing!! The architect of this horror definitely needs to wake up from his nightmare and rearrange those pipes.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Pipe Organ From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:30:59 EDT   In a message dated 7/7/99 8:12:03 PM Central Daylight Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   << My challenge to you crabby organists: if you can't design a better instrument (both visually and tonally) than Rosales - then shut your = swell box! >>   My, now that's rather RUDE and uncalled for!  
(back) Subject: sacred vocal solos ... HALP! From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:29:41 -0700   I've created a monster! I need suggestions for sacred vocal solos (preferably conservative style, preferably with Biblical texts), collections, and BIBLIOGRAPHIES ... I've come across a couple arranged in Biblical order (VERY helpful).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: sacred vocal solos ... HALP! From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:58:43 EDT   In a message dated 7/8/99 9:36:18 PM Central Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << need suggestions for sacred vocal solos (preferably conservative style, preferably with Biblical texts), >>   "Weddiing Blessings" Edited by Paul Bunjes, published by Concordia, = #97-9238, contains some very nice solos based primarily on Biblical text.   Then again, there's always Malotte's "Lord's Prayer" :-) PLEASE don't = stone me for that one!!!   John  
(back) Subject: Biigs vs. Fox From: dave <dpitzer@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:32:53 -0700   Carlo,   Generally, although both Biggs and Fox were excellent organists, Biggs tended to be more conservative, Fox more liberal. Biggs was more a "musician", Fox more a showman. The audiences they each "played" to were vastly different. Biggs, for example, was very interested in organ architecture and organ building, Fox couldn't have cared less. Fox gave dozens of public recitals, Biggs (especially later in his career) = performed relatively rarely in public. Fox loved to perform in public, Biggs did not =   particularly. Biggs recorded extensively, Fox did not.   I met and heard them both play on several occasions.   As far as the two Bach pieces you ask about, play the "arrangement" that pleases you most.   Dave Pitzer =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Biggs vs. Fox From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:38:24 EDT     Greetings,   I recently bought the Biggs arr. of "Now Thank We All Our = God" from Cantata No. 79. I have no intention of ever playing it, but I wanted = to have it in my library of Biggs arrangements. I noticed right away that it was in the original key of G major and that the choral was in the pedal. I always play the Virgil Fox arr. because it's in C, which is more powerful and the choral is in the left hand, which allows the pedal to add depth. = I'm curious as to how many of you play the Biggs arr. and how many play the = Fox arr. The two of them also arranged the "Arioso" from Bach...Biggs in F and Fox in A flat. I actually play the Bish arr. in A. I'd like your feedback = on Biggs' vs. Fox's arrangements.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney pipe facade From: Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:06:12 -0500   At 7/8/99 09:19 PM, Antoni Scott wrote:   >Seems that the facade is a "heap" of pipes something like I have seen in >a pipe organ builders "trash " room. What person other than a Disney >freak two year old could take such inartistic garbage seriously. = <snip> >The whole thing is an appalling example of Disney forcing its trash juvenile >ideas onto a mature audience and thinking we will accept it as OK. Well, I >for one do not accept the gross facade, no matter how well = the organ may >sound. In fact, I think that it may be a detriment to an otherwise good >organ and builder. <snip>   I completely agree. Keep my name on the "HATE IT" list. (If it actually does get built that way, I'll find a better term than "hate"...)   BTW, at the organbuilding firm for which I work, even our 'junk' pipes are stored in a MUCH more orderly fashion than that -- lumber piles are = neater, too...   TMB  
(back) Subject: Disney etc... From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:33:27 -0500   I tend to agree with an earlier post about this becoming one of those "polarizing" issues for this list - and will likely also go "NO POST" on this one before much longer.   I wonder if there is any correlation between the models/designs of the cars we drive and our thoughts on this organ? (or the kind of houses we live in, the kind of clothes we wear, etc., etc.)...Seems to me that the organ is a logical evolution of design - we live with all kinds of bizarre architectural designs - we'll live with this one.   Typically, many of us are trashing it before it's even off the drawing board - personally, I'd like to see it and hear it, then decide if I ever want to see/hear it again. If not, I'll let it be...oooohhhhh, that's reminiscent of an old Beatles tune. Let's see, do you prefer the Biggs version or the Fox version?   Rod Murrow    
(back) Subject: Re: sacred vocal solos ... HALP! From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:31:01 -0400   Have you checked out the Cyber Hymnal, or Christian Music Resources, or = the Sibley Music Library, or any of the other sources online? There's a Christian contemporary webring that has copywrite free music by individuals----there's a lot of material on that one. You need addresses for any of these? There's more, and I'm sure you know how to spend time = on here poking around. Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: mR. pINEL cONCERT From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:38:48 -0500   Richard... Congrats on your debut recital. Glad you got your feet wet = -now don't let them get dry.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Austin Saved From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:41:34 -0500   Bruce Behnke wrote: > > Web page is now loaded and available at: > > http://digistatic.net/organ/austin.html > > There are six thumbnails linked to the larger pictures. > > If you want to check out the now Cook 17 rank tracker at All Saints' > Episcopal Church in Las Vegas go to:   I was very taken with the new Cook instrument, and look forward to being able to hear clips of it soon. I have not heard of Mr. Cook before? I assume he was trained by John Brombaugh or Paul Fritts or someone like that in the Pacific Northwest. Can anyone tell me more of him?   John Speller.  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney etc... From: Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:07:00 -0500   At 7/8/99 10:33 PM, Rod Morrow wrote:   <snip> >Typically, many of us are trashing it before it's even off the drawing >board - <snip>   Yes, we are. Methinks because this design doesn't deserve to ever GET off the drawing board......   TMB    
(back) Subject: Organ Concert 7/31/99 From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:32:52 -0400 (EDT)   Felix Hell, 13 years old In Concert   First United Methodist Church of Toms River Toms River, New Jersey   Saturday, July 31, 1999, 7:30 p.m. Free-will offering received   From all accounts, a "wunderkind" on the organ. He will perform on our II/24 Schantz, which I understand will be his last concert before returning to Germany in August.   Everyone is welcome.   (please forgive double post)    
(back) Subject: Re: Can You Tell Me What this Piece Is? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:41:39 -0400 (EDT)   Um, Rod, when I was a SB, the anthem was Amazing Grace. It hasn't been topped yet. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney facade pipes From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:43:08 -0400 (EDT)   Cruella Crumhorn, John, how could you forget? --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:50:07 -0400 (EDT)   What, Richard?!?! No improv? Where did I go wrong, boy? Congrats on the recital. --Neil P.S. Mine is Sept 11th    
(back) Subject: Re: Congratulations Richard! From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:59:57 -0400 (EDT)   I thought Mssr. O"Donnell had been appointed at the Abbey.    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:38:02 -0700       On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:28:35 +0100 "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Dear List, > > I had my very first solo recital today (it was a lunchtime recital) > - and it went really well.   **snip**   > the list if anyone wants copies - watch this space!!! > Dear Richard,   It seems like everyone is pleased with your success - me, included! Congratulations! I'm looking forward to hearing the tape, and stand ready to serve if needed.     Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.