PipeChat Digest #985 - Tuesday, July 13, 1999
 
Re: Tuning of organs/pianos etc.
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Virgil Fox........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Virgil Fox........
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
MIDI
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: MIDI
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Virgil Fox........
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
(Fwd) Re: Disney Organ
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: MIDI
  by "Dan Wilkinson" <dandub@gte.net>
Pipe Organ Concert Database (crossposted)
  by "Adam and Christine Levin" <levins@westnet.com>
Re: MIDI
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Spencer Blowers -- Thanks!!
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Tuning of organs/pianos etc.
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans /link
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Take me off PipeChat
  by "Daniel. Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Tuning of organs/pianos etc.
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Wanted: Info. on Liturgy / Service music in Jewish Synagogues
  by "Jan Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Tuning of organs/pianos etc. From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:55:50 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/99 12:10:41 AM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Friends, I know that organ pipes go sharp when they get hot. But I ask you, WHY?? When something is warm it expands, no? If it expands, it is thus larger. Larger should be lower pitch NO? Does this have something to do with Physics? IMWTK (Inquiring minds want to know) --Neil >> Neil, When the temp increases, the column of vibrating air in a pipe also = expands and becomes less dense. The rate at which a column of air can vibrate is indirectly proportional to its density. I would think there would be some =   trade off between the pipe growing in length (pitch should decrease) and = the air density decreasing (causing the pitch to increase) so that a pipe = would tend to stay in pitch. It appears that air density has a greater effect = than pipe expansion. Just my opinion.   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Virgil Fox........ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:13:51 EDT   Greetings to all,   I have a "Heavy Organ" album that was recorded in Winterland, =   San Fransisco in 1972. It's a live recording and the 2nd piece on side A = is the Gigue Fugue. All the way through it, the audience claps. Did Virgil = ever make another recording of the Gigue? I'd like to hear him play it without the clapping (it's annoying). Also, is it true that he had silver rhinestone organ shoes? Does anyone have any info about the 4-manual pipe organ he had in his house? Thanks!   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil Fox........ From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:29:59 -0500   Did Virgil ever >make another recording of the Gigue? I'd like to hear him play it without >the clapping (it's annoying).   I think it's rather fun. what organist would not enjoy having the audience so psyched that they feel moved to express themselves like that? They also danced..   But on the other hand... I think he plays it "solo" on the RCA "Entertainer" Album on the Wurlitzer in Wicihita.     Also, is it true that he had silver >rhinestone organ shoes?   I saw him several times with black shoes and rhinestones on the heels. = They flashed like crazy when he did his pedal routines. Imagine what he could have done with LEDs!!   ;-)   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:39:02 -0500   >John, Will you provide details (address of, web site of, etc.) on how to >contact DeKalb University? > >Thank You, >Stan Krider   Dear Stan,   It was quite a few years back when we obtained this. I think some one already correctly mentioned that it was Illinois University in DeKalb Illinois. I do not have anything else beyond that. Perhaps some one on the list can provide more details.   Hope this helps.   John V      
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:46:17 -0400   To all members of the Pipechat List:   Join the IRC Pipechatters on Monday evenings, or Friday evenings, at 9.00 pm Eastern Time.   If you are not too sure how you do it go to our Web Page at the following = URL:   http://www.pipechat.org   We have provided all the necessary information there for you to see how to get on to the IRC.   I hope to see you this evening!   Bob Conway ...   (Beer brewing day today, - I may be a little late this evening, but certainly not inebriated! - That could be several weeks down the road!)          
(back) Subject: MIDI From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:01:16 -0400       Hello List,   Does anyone have experience adding MIDI to a pipe organ? I play at the = local Episcopal Church in Milford, PA. There will not likely be any $ in the = near or far future to add pipes to the 2M 5Rank unit organ. I would be interested = in information from anyone who has had any experience (good or bad) adding electronic voices to an existing pipe organ. Peterson and others have advertised inThe American Organist. The organ is controlled by Peterson switching. Thanks.   Wayne      
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:41:29 -0500   Correct University Name is: Northern Illinois University at Dekalb, = Illinois   website at: http://www.niu.edu   jch   -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans     >>John, Will you provide details (address of, web site of, etc.) on how to >>contact DeKalb University? >> >>Thank You, >>Stan Krider > >Dear Stan, > >It was quite a few years back when we obtained this. I think some one >already correctly mentioned that it was Illinois University in DeKalb >Illinois. I do not have anything else beyond that. Perhaps some one on = the >list can provide more details. > >Hope this helps. > >John V > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:10:52 -0700   Hi, Wayne!   I don't have any direct experience with adding MIDI to a pipe organ, but = if it works the same way it does on electronic organs, there are some = limitations: typically, you have a "MIDI To Swell", "MIDI To Great", MIDI To Pedal", = etc. tab .... you can select only ONE MIDI voice at a time to be assigned to each = of those tabs; if you have multiple memories, you can assign a MIDI voice to each = tab times the number of memories you have. On the systems I've seen, they DON'T = couple through the normal coupler system. In other words, if you want the Swell = MIDI Oboe to play on the Great in a Franck combination, you also have to assign the = MIDI Oboe to the Great. They also have separate volume and tremulant controls ... I = think if you want them expressive, you have to add an additional MIDI shoe. = Otherwise they play at the volume you select in the black box when you assign the voice. = There were some black boxes that allowed for "layering" (assigning more than one = MIDI voice per tab), but it seems to me those are no longer made, for some = reason.   MIDI IS useful for adding solo stops, or a Quint 10 2/3 in the Pedal, = etc., but it doesn't really allow for enlarging the ENSEMBLE because of the limitations = I've mentioned. You can't add Principals 8-4-2-Mixture to the Great, for = instance. At least that's my observation. Perhaps the technology has improved since I = last looked at it. Also, there are some limitations as to the number of notes = that can be played at one time, depending on the sampling rate (?).   Cheers,   Bud   WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM wrote:   > Hello List, > > Does anyone have experience adding MIDI to a pipe organ? I play at the = local > Episcopal Church in Milford, PA. There will not likely be any $ in the = near or > far future to add pipes to the 2M 5Rank unit organ. I would be = interested in > information from anyone who has had any experience (good or bad) adding > electronic voices to an existing pipe organ. Peterson and others have > advertised inThe American Organist. The organ is controlled by Peterson > switching. Thanks. > > Wayne > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil Fox........ From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:45:00 -0700   At 09:13 AM 7/12/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Greetings to all, > > I have a "Heavy Organ" album that was recorded in Winterland,= =20 >San Fransisco in 1972. It's a live recording and the 2nd piece on side A is= =20 >the Gigue Fugue. All the way through it, the audience claps. Did Virgil= ever=20 >make another recording of the Gigue?<snip>   Yes. Virgil recorded the Fugue in G on the "Virgil Fox Plays Bach" LP, RCA Red Seal LM-1963, in 1955, on the just-completed =C6olian-Skinner at= Riverside church. He also did it on "The Entertaininer" LP, RCA Victor Red Seal ARL1-0666 in 1975...on the Witchita WurliTzer!!   Also, is it true that he had silver rhinestone organ shoes?<snip>   Standard black shoes, albeit with lots of rhinestones on the heels.   Does anyone have any info about the 4-manual pipe organ he had in his house?<snip>   Yup, it was a 1921 E.M. Skinner of large proportions, complete with Cavaill=E9-Coll-style terrance stop jambs. The organ has five divisions, including a Solo and Echo. The Swell and Choir were split into two= locations.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: (Fwd) Re: Disney Organ From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:53:31 PST     An interesting note about the relationship between Disney and the new = hall.   Mark   ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------   Walt Disney's widow gave money toward construction of the hall (I believe the sum originally was $50 million), with the request that the hall be given the Disney name. So far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong (gently please, I bruise easily), the company known as "Disney" is not directly involved in the design and building of the hall, or any individual part, such as the pipe organ. So to speak of the "Disney people" knowing what they're doing ... be sure to be clear in remembering that it's the "Disney hall design people" ... not the folks of movie and amusement park and "family entertainment" fame ... who are directly involved.   Ken Sybesma         Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   The soul is born old but grows young. That is the comedy of life. And the body is born young and grows old. That is life's tradegy. --Oscar Wilde, A Woman of No Importance    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI From: Dan Wilkinson <dandub@gte.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:01:39 -0700   Wayne,   There are several MIDI boxes that allow multiple voices, if they are still = made. There are lots of boxes that have very orchestral voices and some that have very = strange voices (probably not terribly useful to a church organist, but theatre = organists can find uses for all kinds of noises...ha!). There are also the Ahlborne = (sp?) Gallanti (sp?) modules. There used to be 4 of them.   The expressive capabilities of the boxes also depend on the MIDI setup in = the console. Like anything, if the proper equipment is there, it will do what you want = it to do. I know the MIDI stops on the Plummer WurliTzer theatre organ in Fullerton, = California has expression for the MIDI voices. The voices express with the Main = expression shoe or through the expression shoe for the rank created by the MIDI voices.   Dan   Bud/burgie wrote:   > you want them expressive, you have to add an additional MIDI shoe. = Otherwise they > play at the volume you select in the black box when you assign the = voice. There > were some black boxes that allowed for "layering" (assigning more than = one MIDI > voice per tab), but it seems to me those are no longer made, for some = reason. > > Bud >    
(back) Subject: Pipe Organ Concert Database (crossposted) From: Adam and Christine Levin <levins@westnet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:07:10 -0400 (EDT)     Through private mail, it has been suggested to me to announce the Organ Concert Database, which is still alive and well.   For a while, it was homepageless on the net, because I changed jobs and no longer had access to the necessary privileges to run the database.   However, thanks to a very generous ISP, it is back.   The address is http://www.westnet.com/~levins/organ/concert-info.html   There are currently only 22 concerts listed, but hopefully it will begin to grow again.   It's pretty simple to use, I hope. I am currently not restricting access to adding concerts. If this becomes a problem, I'll have to end up password-protecting it, but for now, it's free, it's available, it's open and ready for use, so please, add any organ concerts anywhere in the world which you know about.   Thanks, -Adam   Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online! _/ http://westnet.com/~levins/ ________/ In the Beginning <*> __________________________/ It was a nice day. -O /    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:39:11 -0500   We used MIDI out in the EMUTEK relay system on our Wurlitzer. The theater did not have room for a real piano, so the MIDI drives a small Yamaha = black box which does a convincing enough imitaton of a grand piano. It also = works with the couplers and on the pedal. A 12vdc Car amplifier (100 Watts) drives a pair of speakers in the solo chamber. (It always makes me a = little uncomfortable seeing speakers with pipes) Artists really like it though.   John V      
(back) Subject: Spencer Blowers -- Thanks!! From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:52:32 -0500   Dear Orgl-listers,   Once again I was amazed at the flood of useful info I received on the re-assembly of Spencer blowers. All that advice coupled with the pointer = to the Spencer service manual, which I downloaded, proves the value of this forum.   Thank you all very much!!   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning of organs/pianos etc. From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:52:01 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/99 6:58:40 AM Central Daylight Time, = ORGANUT@aol.com writes:   << >> Neil, When the temp increases, the column of vibrating air in a pipe also = expands and becomes less dense. The rate at which a column of air can vibrate is =   indirectly proportional to its density. I would think there would be = some trade off between the pipe growing in length (pitch should decrease) and = the air density decreasing (causing the pitch to increase) so that a pipe = would tend to stay in pitch. It appears that air density has a greater effect than pipe expansion. Just my opinion. Later, Phil L. >>   Neil, Where I say," the rate at which a column of air can vibrate is indirectly proportional to its' density", I should have said "inversely" proportional = to its' density.   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:58:47 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/99 9:41:18 AM Central Daylight Time, opus1100@theatreorgans.com writes:   << Correct University Name is: Northern Illinois University at Dekalb, = Illinois website at: http://www.niuedu jch >> John, The email address came up as "Unknown Host". What did I did wrong?   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans /link From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:06:48 -0400       ORGANUT@aol.com wrote:   > > website at: http://www.niuedu > > jch > >> > John, > The email address came up as "Unknown Host". What did I did wrong?     Try this link:   http://www.niu.edu/  
(back) Subject: Take me off PipeChat From: danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca (Daniel. Hopkins) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:28:53 -0300   Could you take me off PipeChat Thursday,I will be gone for 3 weeks    
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:48:08 -0500   SORRY for the goof....seems I missed my period.....should have been = niu.edu   jch -----Original Message----- From: ORGANUT@aol.com <ORGANUT@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Console Plans     >In a message dated 7/12/99 9:41:18 AM Central Daylight Time, >opus1100@theatreorgans.com writes: > ><< > Correct University Name is: Northern Illinois University at Dekalb, Illinois > > website at: http://www.niuedu > > jch > >> >John, >The email address came up as "Unknown Host". What did I did wrong? > >Later, >Phil L. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning of organs/pianos etc. From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:21:26 -0500   Yes, it is principally an air temperature phenomenon! Remember that a = band outside on a cold day sounds flat. It is somewhat difficult to find data = on what the actual change is, but most references seem to indicate that it is = about 2 hz or cps for each 5 degrees of change! Not small. This can take you from = 440 to 438 or 442 rather quickly. Many organists do not seem to understand the importance of getting the temperature back to that at which the organ was = tuned, and holding it there for enough hours so that things can stabilize. The = length of time required depends, of course, on the amount of temperature change. Overnight is usually sufficient in many cases, but only experimentation will finally determine what is required. Roy Redman   ORGANUT@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/12/99 12:10:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes: > > << > Friends, I know that organ pipes go sharp when they get hot. But I > ask you, WHY?? > When something is warm it expands, no? If it expands, it is thus > larger. Larger should be lower pitch NO? Does this have something to > do with Physics? > IMWTK (Inquiring minds want to know) > > --Neil > >> > Neil, > When the temp increases, the column of vibrating air in a pipe also = expands > and becomes less dense. The rate at which a column of air can vibrate = is > indirectly proportional to its density. I would think there would be = some > trade off between the pipe growing in length (pitch should decrease) and = the > air density decreasing (causing the pitch to increase) so that a pipe = would > tend to stay in pitch. It appears that air density has a greater effect = than > pipe expansion. Just my opinion. > > Later, > Phil L. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Wanted: Info. on Liturgy / Service music in Jewish Synagogues From: Jan Vanderstad <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:42:20 -0400   Good Evening Organchat & Pipechat listers, It has recently come to my attention that a Jewish synagogue in my locale is looking for a part-time organist. Not being familiar at all with the Jewish Liturgy, besides listening to Temple-Emanuel (I think) in NYC via their radio broadcast once in a great while, can somebody tell me more about what music is used, etc? I would appreciate it if some of you out there can shed some light on the subject- preferably privately unless it is of interest to the entire list. Jan Vanderstad