PipeChat Digest #988 - Thursday, July 15, 1999
 
synthetic substitutes for leather (was "Decrepit Mollers")
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
E M Skinner / Aeolian Skinner specs. compilation
  by "J. VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Messiaen
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: decrepit Moller
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Recital - STOPLIST!
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
synthetic substitute for leather
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: synthetic substitutes for leather (was "Decrepit Mollers")
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: synthetic substitutes for leather (was "Decrepit Mollers")
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: no organ for St. Matthew's
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Found non-Jewish position- thanks anyway!
  by "Jan Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
Kentucky-bound
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Article: "How guitars beat out the organ"
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Leslies for Sale
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Re: synthetic substitute for leather
  by <ndenton@cgocable.net>
 


(back) Subject: synthetic substitutes for leather (was "Decrepit Mollers") From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:35:30 -0700   Don't know about that, Bob ... Austin tried a "space-age" plastic in thei= r large four-manual in St. James Episcopal, La Jolla CA ... it was supposed to be virtually indestructible ... only problem was, somebody forgot to tell th= em it had to be exposed to very strong sunlight (as in the outside of a space s= uit on an extra-vehicular run) to retain its flexibility. The entire organ had t= o be releathered.   Somebody mentioned kangaroo leather ... I thought that was in more genera= l use that the writer indicated (hard to find a reliable source, he said).   I've used rubberized cloth successfully on small reed organ bellows, but = of course that's a much less demanding application than a membrane/bar actio= n.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 08:37 PM 7/13/1999 -0500, you wrote: > > >Unfortunately the majority of tubular M=F6llers, built in 1876-c.1915,= are > >of the bar-and-membrane tubular type. To cut a long story short there > >is a leather membrane which has to seal and in which the tension in th= e > >leather is critical. The weather inevitably causes the leather to > >expand and contract, and bang goes the adjustment.<snip> > > Been there, done that with a tube-pneu M=F5ller of 1904. One bit of hu= midity > change, and it's time to head over to the Hammond! There is a > "pre-stretched" grade of pneu leather that you're suppoed to use in the > membrane-and-bar chests, but I can't remember what it's called. Surely > there must be a better synthetic substitute with all of today's technol= ogy!! > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: E M Skinner / Aeolian Skinner specs. compilation From: "J. VANDERSTAD" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:06:04 -0400   Good Morning Piporg-l & pipechat Would anybody know where one can access the specifications and details of every E. M. Skinner / Aeolian Skinner organ built, if not at least the major ones? I have the opus list available in the OHS catalog and the book "Stop, Open, and Reed" but I was wondering if somewhere on the internet there was a compilation of specifications devoted to Aeolian Skinner and E. M. Skinner Organs. Thanks in advance, Jan Vanderstad  
(back) Subject: Re: Messiaen From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:34:14 -0400 (EDT)     >Broose needs sum =D2^=D2=AC >He dun sed MODES...NOT moles!   Sorry. I dot a code.... (sdiff) ;-)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Cowardly dogs bark loudest. -- John Webster    
(back) Subject: Re: decrepit Moller From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT)   =A0 >There is a "pre-stretched" grade of pneu > leather that you're suppoed to use in the > membrane-and-bar chests, but I can't > remember what it's called. Surely there must > be a better synthetic substitute with all of > today's technology!! Well, I heard about this new stuff called "perflex" .....   ;-)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Cowardly dogs bark loudest. -- John Webster    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital - STOPLIST! From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:20:58 +0100   >Richard, >please don't forget the all important stoplist!!!   OK, this is off the top of my head (I couldn't find any literature on the organ, stop names are approx. * pitches are correct!): It is a 4m Walker organ, about 110 years old - great sound: Great: 16' Open Wood 8' Open Diapason 1 8' Open Diapason 2 8' Open Diapason 3 8' Wald Flute 4' Principal 4' Wald Flute 2' Fifteenth * 2 2/3 Twelfth Mixture III 16' Trumpet * 8' Trumpet * 4' Trumpet *   Solo - Gt Sw - Gt Ch - Gt   Swell (Enclosed): 16' Leiblich - I can't remember if this exists or not! 8' Open Diapason 8' Stopped Diapason 8' Violin Diapason 8' Echo Gamba 8' Vox Angelica 4' Principal 4' Flute * 2' Fifteenth * Mixture III * 16' Contra Fagot * 8' Horn 8' Oboe 4' Clarion * Tremulant   Sub Octave (Coupples through to other manuals and ped) Super Octave (as sub octave)   Choir: 16' Leiblich Bourdon 8' Dulciana 8' Gedackt 8' Gamba 4' Dulciana Principal 4' Gedackt 2' Fifteenth *   Swell - Choir   Solo (Enclosed): 8' Harmonic Flute 4' Harmonic Flute * 2' harmonic Flute * These three are beautiful!! 8' Oboe 8' Clarionet (it is spelt like this - also beautiful) 8' Tuba (unenclosed - perfect!) Tremulant   Pedal (a bit small, but suffices): 32' Bourdon * (perfect!) 16' Bourdon 16' Open Diapason 16' Violone 8' Bourdon 8' Open Diapason 16' Trombone   Great - Ped Swell - Ped Choir - Ped Solo - Ped (If one is out and that manual has others coupled to it they couple = through the one coupler, i.e. if Swell - Great and Great - Ped are out, the Swell would come through to the Pedal aswell).   5 pistons to each division, no generals. Swell pistons duplicated by toe studs, and Great/Ped pistons are = coupleable.     The organ is so exciting to play - the swell is incredible. It needs a = more up to date piston system - a few quick hand changes were nesacerry in my recital. The actual stoplist isn't much different, only stop names I can't = remember!   Richard    
(back) Subject: synthetic substitute for leather From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:11:29 -0500   As re: Buds post on +ACI-space-age+ACI- materials...   Back in the 70's, friends told me and insisted upon using perflex - very much like what condoms are made of. I did my 9 rank Wurli in it, and 15 years later, the stuff completely disintegrated. Austin used perflex in a number of their instruments, and several years later, they all had to be releathered -at Austins = expense+ACE-. Apparently, perflex was used by the military in Nam for gas bombs or something. It was great to work with, quicker-than-lightening- action, but what a nightmare waiting to happen.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: synthetic substitutes for leather (was "Decrepit Mollers") From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:18:01 EDT   Dear Bud et al, At one time I worked for PErmacel tape and we made a = product which was made out of silicone rubber. As you know, silicone rubberr is = the stuff they make that 50 year caulk out of. I believe GE is the = manufacturer. It can be laminated with glass cloth or any other synthetic cloth. I feel that that would be the perfect product to use in diaphragms, pouches, = bellows etc. Peace <Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: synthetic substitutes for leather (was "Decrepit Mollers") From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:44:09 EDT   Be careful of plio-bond also. I have heard that that makes the leather disintegrate prematurely. There is also another adhesive that is used = with a yellow colored rubber cloth (real thin) that gives out after about 20 = years.   -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: no organ for St. Matthew's From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:03:06 EDT   Bud,   Just remember YOU are in demand... and you DON'T have to take that = hogwash.   If I were you I'd start looking for another position, post haste, where = they respect you and where they have integrity, which your rector lacks! To = make a promise and then flat-out backout of is BULL*HIT and not to be tolerated = -- I wouldn't take that in a heartbeat... I'd tell him where he could place = his blueprints for the new church -- without hesitation.   Of course, you could suggest a Rodgers organ with a few ranks of real = pipes (Principal chorus and a flute or two) -- you might be able to = compromise...   Best of luck in any case!!!   John    
(back) Subject: Found non-Jewish position- thanks anyway! From: Jan Vanderstad <dcob@nac.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:14:58 -0400   Good evening everyone You all may know that a couple of days ago I posted a note concerning Jewish liturgy and service music because of a position I was considering applying for. I had the letter typed up yesterday and was going to mail it this morning and I said to myself: "well, I think I'll put this off in case anything else comes up." And lo and behold, I got a telephone call today from the Chorus Professor at my college today where I am a full time student. She was offering me the job for accompanist position for the fall semester (the usual accompanist had to take leave of absence or something.) I had submitted a letter to the Human Resources department a year ago when the position was open but the position had already been filled. I sang in the chorus and played the organ last fall semester anyway. So, the chorus professor felt it fair to offer me the job first, and I took it on the spot, as long as my other on campus position in the computer service department would not be affected. I was assured that there would be no problem. The college faculty and staff are all wonderful people to work with. It's a little less pay, but less headaches too, you can't beat it. Anyway, thanks to all of you who went that extra "mile" to familiarize me about the liturgy in Jewish synagogues. Cheers, Jan Vanderstad  
(back) Subject: Kentucky-bound From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:55:39 -0500   To all my friends and fellow chattererers...........   Will be leaving for Paducah, Ky, tomorrow (Thursday) till October. A = dormant Reuter 3m 11r (c. 1939) is awaiting to be resurrected in a Catholic church there. Any list members in that area, or coming to the Paducah area, drop in and say hi. Bring yer gloves. Ciao...   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Article: "How guitars beat out the organ" From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:43:22 -0400 (EDT)   Friends, I just took the time to read this article on this site: http://www.christianity.net/ct/9T8/9T8028.html   Unfortunately, the title does not accurately reflect the content of the author's nicely written work. I encourage you all to read it thoughtfully. Lots of interesting comments in it. Peace. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Leslies for Sale From: Blaine Ricketts <blaineri@home.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:46:00 -0700   I have the following Leslie speakers for sale:   Model 700, $400.00   Model 600, $600.00   Also a Conn three channel "blackboard tube amplifier" in a three channel utility cabinet with all speakers, connectors.   Three Klipsh LaScala speakers in utility black cabinets, $300.00 each or $750 for the three.   Blaine Ricketts Castro Valley, CA  
(back) Subject: Re: synthetic substitute for leather From: ndenton@cgocable.net Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:03:57 -0400   I've seen attempts to use Neoprene rubber for pallets.   Nice try - but it tends to stick to the toe boards of the chestwork = causing notes to go dead until you strike them 4 or 5 times.   Simple cure? Just glue patches of thin leather over the rubber. 100% cure rate.   I think most of us have also seen the mess that occured 30 years ago when piano makers attempted to replace felt with foam rubber. It lasted about = 10 years and then turned to a hard messy dust. Foam rubber also tends to = crush down in time causing leaks.   "New and Improved" isn't always better than "Tried and True".   Never be the first guy on the block to try something new. You will usually end up regreting it. Sometimes new things are better. Sometimes they are just hype.