PipeChat Digest #904 - Wednesday, June 9, 1999
 
Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Fw: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
[musiclassical] 8 JUNE Almanac (fwd)
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: OT -  Leslie 100 - Free
  by "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net>
Re: OT -  Leslie 100 - Free
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Organ Music of Rene Vierne and Augustin Barie
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Organ Music of Rene Vierne and Augustin Barie
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
RE: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
Re: response after Scripture / before sermon
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: response after Scripture / before sermon
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Why does it sound different?
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:02:13 -0400     We have an "official" Morning Worship start time of 11:00. I am allowed to play "Pewzak" on the organ from 10:40 until roughly 10:50. I guess they figure that I can't do too much damage if no one is in the sanctuary yet. (OOPS, we no longer have a "sanctuary"; it is, of course, a "worship center"!) At 10:50, the "Praze Team" (most of whom read music like a lead balloon) is supposed to take over for about 20 minutes of "Praise and Worship" (yeah, right) music (using the term "music" loosely...) The first happy-clappy is usually done with "liturgical karaoke" (tape or CD) accompaniment, then we use keyboard, gee-tar, and organ for the other five or so. By this time, the congregation has been standing for roughly 20 minutes, rigor mortis is starting to set in, and the worship service officially begins, usually with a prayer and an ACTUAL hymn (which is sometimes the ONLY real hymn in the whole service!) The moral of the story is that, like a good Boy Scout, I need to have a lot of extra music ready just in case.   In actuality the Praze Team RARELY has their act together until 11:00 or later, so it's about 11:20 when "Happy-Clappy Time" FINALLY ends. Believe it or not, one of the YOUNGER members told me the other day that he is going to start coming to church around 11:15 so he doesn't have to stand up so long and listen to so many choruses!    
(back) Subject: Fw: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:22:03 -0500   Sounds more like showtime at the Paramount ( with local talent). Is this Sunday morning entertainment, or worshipping the one true God???!!!   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com> To: - *pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:06 AM Subject: Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude     > >We have an "official" Morning Worship start time of 11:00. I am allowed to >play "Pewzak" on the organ from 10:40 until roughly 10:50. I guess they >figure that I can't do too much damage if no one is in the sanctuary yet. >(OOPS, we no longer have a "sanctuary"; it is, of course, a "worship center"!) >At 10:50, the "Praze Team" (most of whom read music like a lead balloon) is >supposed to take over for about 20 minutes of "Praise and Worship" (yeah, >right) music (using the term "music" loosely...) The first happy-clappy is >usually done with "liturgical karaoke" (tape or CD) accompaniment, then we use >keyboard, gee-tar, and organ for the other five or so. By this time, the >congregation has been standing for roughly 20 minutes, rigor mortis is starting >to set in, and the worship service officially begins, usually with a prayer >and an ACTUAL hymn (which is sometimes the ONLY real hymn in the whole >service!) The moral of the story is that, like a good Boy Scout, I need to >have a lot of extra music ready just in case. > >In actuality the Praze Team RARELY has their act together until 11:00 or later, >so it's about 11:20 when "Happy-Clappy Time" FINALLY ends. Believe it or not, >one of the YOUNGER members told me the other day that he is going to start >coming to church around 11:15 so he doesn't have to stand up so long and listen >to so many choruses! > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: [musiclassical] 8 JUNE Almanac (fwd) From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:27:05 -0700 (MST)       <P>8th...JUN<BR>   1612 Death of German organist and composer Hans Leo HASSLER<BR>   1671 Birth of Italian composer and violinist Thomaso ALBINONI in Venice. d-17 JAN 1750<BR>   1790 Birth of Austrian baritone (Don Giovanni and Figaro) Anton FORTI in Vienna. d- 29 JUL 1856<BR>   1810 Birth of German composer Robert Alexander SCHUMANN in Zwickau, Saxony, Germany. d- Near Bonn, 29 JUL 1856. He wrote 1 opera, 4 symphonies, several overtures, various chamber works, over 100 keyboard pieces, and hundreds of songs and choral works. Born to a bookseller, he had virtually no musical training until the age of twenty. He married pianist Clara Wieck, who was a champion of his music. <BR>   1868 Birth of Spanish-American pianist and composer Alberto JONAS in Madrid. In USA from 1894<BR>   1894 Birth of composer Ervin SCHULHOFF d- 18 AUG 1942<BR>   1906 Birth of English clarinetist and teacher Reginald KELL in York, d- Frankfort, KY 5 AUG 1981<BR>   1912 In Paris, FP of Ravel's ballet 'Daphnis and Chloe' in stage form, by Diaghilev and the Ballet Russe<BR>   1937 FP of Carl Orff's 'Carmina Burana'<BR>   1949 Birth of Polish-American pianist Emanuel AX in Lvov, Poland<BR>   1950 Birth of American violinist Elmar OLIVEIRA in Waterbury, CN<BR>       === GET our PLAYlists: http://www.angelfire.com/biz3/alm/lb.html AcoustiCDigest/Radio= P.O.Box 16221 Tucson AZ 85732 Music Directories: http://AcoustiCD.com CD sales: http://mycdstore.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com     ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking to expand your world? http://www.onelist.com ONElist has over 165,000 e-mail communities from which to choose! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ compact disc discounts comparison shopping at:http://mycdstore.com and visit the Internet Classical Music Directory index at http://acousticd.com    
(back) Subject: Re: OT - Leslie 100 - Free From: Claire <fleahopper@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:34:14 -0400   I met someone at a keyboard show who has this leslie he needs to get rid of - cabinet is in good condition - I haven't seen any pix of it. It's free to a "good home" - Located in Pittsford Vermont - I've been told it's for a Gulbranson Organ - don't know anything about it, but if you're interested, please e-mail me privately, and I'll give you the contact info. Claire   fleahopper@earthlink.net      
(back) Subject: Re: OT - Leslie 100 - Free From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:58:29 -0500   >I met someone at a keyboard show who has this leslie he needs to get rid of >- cabinet is in good condition - I haven't seen any pix of it. It's free >to a "good home" - Located in Pittsford Vermont - >I've been told it's for a Gulbranson Organ - don't know anything about it, >but if you're interested, please e-mail me privately, and I'll give you the >contact info. >Claire   And if any one is interested, I have the Gulbransen Rialto Organ to go with it, With ANOTHER Leslie. These leslies were made SPECIAL for Gulbransen and don't have the upper rotor, just fixed drivers, and a rotating bottom speaker baffle.   Rialto and speaker can be had for $350 FOB Poughkeepsie, NY Physically excellent but mechanics need a good cleaning and adjustment. Belonged to famous theatre organist Dennis James.   John V      
(back) Subject: Organ Music of Rene Vierne and Augustin Barie From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:14:06 EDT   Does anyone know how I might attain compositions of these two composers? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks!   Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Music of Rene Vierne and Augustin Barie From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:36:54 -0700   I'm just doing a computerized index of all my music and at about 1/10th of the way through came across one piece by Ren=E9 Vierne. It is "Prayer" and is in "French Masterworks for Organ," edited by Alexander Schreiner and published by FIscher. It is still in print. I bought it a couple of years ago and it was $7.50 then.   Jason   ---------- >From: ScottFop@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org, piporg-l@cnsibm.albany.edu >Subject: Organ Music of Rene Vierne and Augustin Barie >Date: Tue, Jun 8, 1999, 2:14 PM >   > Does anyone know how I might attain compositions of these two composers? = Any > assistance will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:57:53 EDT   In a message dated 99-06-08 09:06:05 EDT, George.Greene@rossnutrition.com writes:   > Believe it or not, >one of the YOUNGER members told me the other day that he is going to start >coming to church around 11:15 so he doesn't have to stand up so long and >listen >to so many choruses!   The church I serve has two services for 10 months of the year. There's a traditional service at 9:30 and a contemporary service at 11:00. The balance is about 55 to 45% with the higher amount at the traditional service. The church hires a fine young contemporary musician to lead the contemporary worship while I do organ and choir for the traditional.   While there are a few who truly rejoice because of the one "blended" worship service in July and August, I am getting ready for all the complaints....which have already started. Last summer we too began with contemporary praise music. Many people soon learned that by arriving 15 minutes late they could escape most of it. This summer the pastor is vowing to better control the contemporary music and integrate it into the service, rather than starting with contemporary and ending with traditional. When complaints began with the choir last week, I told them that if there is a "blended" service next summer I would take a sabbatical. Some of them said they would do so this summer! This is not a particularly old choir. They range in age from 18 to 64. The director (this writer) is 57, and there are only 3 people (out of 27) older than he is.   BTW, I am noticing more and more teenagers, children and young couples at the traditional service.   Traditional music and worship is really thringing in many places. When we attended our daughter's graduation in Michigan last month, we worshiped at a large evangelical downtown church with very traditional music and worship. There the pastor told me that church had INCREASED by 300 to 400 people in the past few years because of their excellence in traditional worship and music. Then he added that he could worship in contemporary ways, and they did not make an issue if other people wanted different styles. That church though is committed to providing worship for the many who appreciate good tradition.   Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: RE: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:20:45 -0700     > BTW, I am noticing more and more teenagers, children and young > couples at the > traditional service. > > Traditional music and worship is really thriving in many places.   So true.   Worship Leader, a magazine aimed at the "contemporary" worship faction, pointed out in a recent article that people where looking for more of the tradition and mystery of God and the church. I think the move to contemporary has just about reached it's peak.   My wife doesn't really care for the traditional, and after 20 years of contemp, I'm back into the traditional liturgical fold. (mixed marriage?) But the contem worship has failed to establish itself universally. It will always be here, but thank God, so will the other.   Dennis        
(back) Subject: Re: response after Scripture / before sermon From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:22:05 EDT   In a message dated 6/6/99 10:06:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk writes:   << At All Saints, the organist will improvise some sort of fanfare while the Preacher processes from the Gospel to the Sermon. This is usually quite entertaining, and the organist gets to show off his improvising skills. He usually takes his inspiration from the Gospel Responses. >>   I believe this is also done at Coventry, and perhaps at the announcement before the Gospel as well.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:30:07 -0500   Dennis Goward wrote: "I think the move to contempory has just about reached its peak".   Thank heavens. Back in the 60's, our Catholic parish (in a south Chicago burb)began folk masses. Guitars and tambourines down by the altar -with a nice Moeller sitting up in the loft -quiet. Of course, the 60's folk music was hot and heavy, so why not in church? (thought the powers that were). I thought my German Roman Catholic mother was going to have a fit. Todays gospel music seems more and more to try to appeal to the younger generation as it did back in the 60's -no?   Rick V.          
(back) Subject: Re: response after Scripture / before sermon From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:51:07 -0700   Well, we're still up against the old American Prayer Book order of Gospel, Credo, Announcements and THEN the sermon, until I talk E.Y.R. into preaching after the Gospel. That would solve it, since I play the Gospel book back to the Altar now.   Cheers,   Bud   ManderUSA@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 6/6/99 10:06:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << At All Saints, the organist will improvise some sort of fanfare while the > Preacher processes from the Gospel to the Sermon. This is usually quite > entertaining, and the organist gets to show off his improvising skills. He > usually takes his inspiration from the Gospel Responses. >> > > I believe this is also done at Coventry, and perhaps at the announcement > before the Gospel as well. > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: The Incredible Shrinking Prelude From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:14:43 -0400 (EDT)   >>In actuality the Praze Team RARELY has their act together until 11:00 or later<< Alas! One of my biggest complaints with this whole trend. The general lackadaisical (pardon spelling), nonchalant, devil-may-care attitude toward worship is totally anathema to scriptural teaching, at least in my opinion it is. Not to mention, baby boomers like things to start on time, end on time, be relevant, quality, and meaningful. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Why does it sound different? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:02:43 -0400 (EDT)   A question has been plaguing my mind for 4 years now since the installation of our organ. Why does the same registration on the same organ in the same sanctuary sound different at different times of day, in fact different days? What I mean is this--certain voices speak louder at different times than others. Is it atmospheric conditions? This inquiring mind would like to know. --Neil Brown, MMus, AAGO Barnegat, NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:08:53 EDT   Hi Neil--- In my opinion,,,the atmospherics,,,,specially humidity, temperature, and barometric pressure have lots to do with the way an organ sounds,,,a pipe organ that is....... Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:17:56 -0400 (EDT)   Thanks, Roc, I'll be interested to see if your (and my) theory holds up in this thread. It is puzzling, though, no? --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:18:02 PDT       > What I mean is this--certain voices speak louder at different times >than others. > Is it atmospheric conditions?   The Aeolian-Skinner in Hill Auditorium at the University of Michigan sounded better as the room got hotter (no A/C when I was a student, not sure now) and vice versa in the winter. Had to do with the physics of heat and cold, resistance, and whatever else (was really lousy in high school physics class). Anyway, the organ had more presence and vibrance in August and a total lack of the same in February. An 1888 Johnson and Son I played in Chicago was similarly affected, pitch also went up a half-step. Organ sounded great, congregation struggled to sing higher.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:23:53 -0400 (EDT)   Thanks Ray. I understand why the pitch would rise with the temperature--that makes sense. But I don't understand why the ensemble of the sound changes. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:25:00 EDT   Neil--- absolutely,,,, very puzzling. To me,,,low pedal pitches seem to carry lots further in "heavy" atmosphere,,,which can be cold -":heavy" or before a storm type of "heavy" its pretty subjective I think. ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:32:07 EDT   Neil-- Altho I am pretty certain that this subject is covered in Hemholtz's "on the sensations of tone" (believe the title is) gotta hunt my copy recently purchased from a member of the list. ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:31:16 -0700   temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure ... also the number of people in the room.   Cheers,   Bud   N Brown wrote:   > A question has been plaguing my mind for 4 years now since the > installation of our organ. > Why does the same registration on the same organ in the same sanctuary > sound different at different times of day, in fact different days? > What I mean is this--certain voices speak louder at different times > than others. > Is it atmospheric conditions? > This inquiring mind would like to know. > --Neil Brown, MMus, AAGO > Barnegat, NJ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 03:03:59 -0500       N Brown wrote:   > <snip>...Why does the same registration on the same organ in the same > sanctuary > sound different at different times of day, in fact different days?   There may be other factors, as well. The college I attended, Augustana in Rock Island, IL has a large Moeller instrument in Centennial Hall, which was built about 1960, in typical--for that time--big building techniques. The roof was steel sheeting, laid on top of steel fabricated trusses, covered by a tar and gravel roof. Carpeting on the floor; padded theater type seating. The Organ sounded the very best during and after a heavy rain storm, that is to say when there was about an inch or so of water on top of the roof. The weight made the roof less flexible, and more resonant.