PipeChat Digest #906 - Wednesday, June 9, 1999
 
RE: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Satan at the altar
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Howling Dogs and Oboe Stops
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Why does it sound different?
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: Satan at the altar
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Cross posted
  by "STOPS" <mail@stops.org>
Speaking of Lorenz
  by "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu>
Region III (Pittsburgh) get-together?
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: miniature masterpieces (was:  incred. shr. pre.)
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Region III (Pittsburgh) get-together?
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Region I
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: this 'n that...
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
 


(back) Subject: RE: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:09:36 -0700   > Make no > mistake I will > not give up my job at the Lutheran church and I will NOT change > my religious > affiliation, but I just wonder if this would 1) be a sin, or 2) > look bad on > my resume.   A sin? Probably not. Would it look bad? Only if applying to another church.   The thing that would bother me (in your position) would be the compromise. I had that problem when I went looking for a church job -- I wanted to affilliate with a church that I could fully embrace the theology of.   If the differences were minor, it wouldn't be a big deal, but this sounds like quite a departure from your beliefs. Would there be a credibility problem? How would you (as the business manager) feel about paying the bills of an organization that teaches so radically different a theology = than your own?   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Re: Satan at the altar From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:09:34 EDT   In a message dated 6/9/99 12:55:20 PM Central Daylight Time, STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net writes:   << I have this one oboe stop - guaranteed to drive him out of the place. Permanently out of tune with the entire rest of the instrument. My dog sounds better when you step on his foot. And they already "tuned" it! Diane S. >>   Diane,   How often do you step on your dog's foot? Is this by accident or on = purpose? :-)   Also, what's wrong with your Oboe? It sounds like you may need to have = the tongues cleaned/smoothed down.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:20:19 EDT   In a message dated 6/9/99 1:13:11 PM Central Daylight Time, dgoward@worldnet.att.net writes:   << If the differences were minor, it wouldn't be a big deal, but this = sounds like quite a departure from your beliefs. Would there be a credibility problem? How would you (as the business manager) feel about paying the bills of an organization that teaches so radically different a theology = than your own? >>   Good points... and this is where the dilema lies -- can I separate my theological holdings from doing just an "office job" in an organization = which supports such radical views from my own...   John   John  
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:21:32 -0400 (EDT)     >My new query is: besides the Orgelbuchlein, > the 8 Little Preludes and Fugues (separately: > P sans F, F sans P, given the time > constraint), the Rheinberger Trios, and some > of the briefer Pachelbel toccatas, preludes > and fugues, what else can you suggest in the > way of ca. 2-minute miniatures that'll be > worth.   My suggestion would be to take the pieces of great literature that you would like to introduce to the congregation and edit them so that you can use 2-minute segments. The Franck a-minor chorale comes to mind, with the quiet trompette solo section; you could also play the beginning, stopping at the first cadence, even though it's not in a-minor (as I recall), or you could play the conclusion, simply starting 2-minutes from the end (it doesn't matter, after a measure or two people will forget how it started. The opening statement of the Bach p&f in b-minor takes about 2-minutes, also the g-minor. Just use good or great music, and ignore those **&^#$ chorale preludes. They're uninteresting at best to most people! Try playing excerpts of great literature. Maybe people will get excited about it and want to hear the whole thing!! I've done this for years and even repeat these "little" pieces fairly regularly; it is so rewarding when I play all of a great work and someone says, "That's one of my favorite pieces."   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:22:19 -0500       *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********   On 6/9/99, at 1:58 PM, DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   I have been offered a high paying >job as office manager at a Unitarian Universalist church and I am the >organist/choirmaster at a Lutheran church, my own faith is Anglican, my >question is should I consider this position -- is it ethical?   If they are paying you, then it is a job and should be treated/evaluated = as any other career move. If you are doing it for free, or the fun of it, then you must follow your heart.   Remember, the mechanics of running a church are no different than any = other business, only the product is different. If you worked for a bra manufacturer that doesn't mean you'd have to wear one, right? Running a church office has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of that religion, or yours. It has everything to do with managing a staff and paperwork in a businesslike manner. The only ethics involved are whether or not you are doing a good job. I see no problem here. Good luck to = you!       >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Margison >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.organman.com >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A "Family Friendly" Website    
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT)     >Most of the Lorenz pieces are timed, and > about 1 to 3 minutes. They are also usually > quite flexible. Please don't take this in the "wrong" way, and it is not said to offend, but if you want your congregation to want to hear longer preludes, I would suggest giving them short preludes of significantly better quality than anything Lorenz has ejected from its presses. I think I would almost rather listen to announcements than Lorenz "driveludes." Your time will be better spent learning REAL music (literature, that is!).   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Howling Dogs and Oboe Stops From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:23:48 -0400   I have this Lab, see. Well, mostly yellow Lab. Nice dog anyway. Opened his mouth to bark one day and this howl came out. I WISH you could have seen his face. Scared the daylights out of him! He went and hid under = the furniture for an hour, was afraid to bark until he forgot about it. = Don't think I've every heard him do it again, but it sure was funny! We still laugh about it, and he's 14 now. The oboe stop probably needs a lot of those oblong green polishing cloths that fix things ------the kind with presidents' pictures on one = side. Diane - listening to the music of the dishwasher    
(back) Subject: Re: Why does it sound different? From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:28:41 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 9-Jun-99 Re: Why does it sound diffe.. by Bud/burgie@earthlink.net > if your shutters don't open automatically when the power's off, be sure > and leave the shoes open.   If the swell engines are electro-pneumatic, then the position of the shoes will not matter when the wind is off and no action current. The design of the system will determine whether the shades open or close. I think most default to the open condition.   But what about the Peterson swell motor (of recent thread)? How does it leave the shades when the organ is off? Over to you, Maestro Foppiano.     Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Satan at the altar From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 9-Jun-99 Satan at the altar by DRAWKNOB@aol.com > > Satan, perturbed, says, "And why aren't you afraid of me?" > > The organist says, "I've been married to your sister for 25 years." > Alternative punchline: "Your brother is the pastor here, so I know the = family." Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:42:29 -0400 (EDT)     >I have been offered a high paying job as office > manager at a Unitarian Universalist church > and I am the organist/choirmaster at a > Lutheran church, my own faith is Anglican, my > question is should I consider this position -- is >it ethical? I'm having a hard time with their > (UU) lack of a creed, dismissal of Jesus as > just a Prophet, and their other nonconformist > ideologies. You omitted the most important part!! What kind of organ do they have and do you have practice privileges?? Good grief man! Take the job. If you worked for the US government you'd be working for a "company" that believes in nothing, has no morals, and the boss fools around with anything that can't run faster than he. Even if you were to take the position of organist and director of a church which is incompatible with your own religious beliefs, all you need do is "your job" as a musician. You don't need to accept all of their beliefs, simply do not openly challenge them.   > Make no mistake I will not give up my job at > the Lutheran church and I will NOT change > my religious affiliation... did they ask you to ??   > but I just wonder if this would 1) be a sin, don't think so, unless you covet your bosses, um, salary!! ;-)   >or 2) look bad on my resume. only if you don't do a good job, or try to convert everyone and get fired!!   >Thanks for any thoughts/ideas/suggestions! uh, no.... (hehehehe)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:46:40 -0400   Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, and Haydn are drivel? Volume 19 Mendelssohn, Schubert - Lorenz, July 96 Just stuck out a hand behind me a grabbed a couple at random. Chorales are too short, and don't go with our hymns. Tried that already. "Pull Out All The Stops, Vol 2" - Wesley, Haydn, 2 by Guilmant, 2 by Gounod Using part of something bigger is a good suggestion though. Of course, then there's the arrangement angle. Make it fancier or = simpler. Some people can, some can't, we're all different. I do remember somebody muttering behind me in another church one day that "it's nice music, but I wish they'd play something I know". You have to use it 2 or 3 times a year, 2 or 3 years, so it becomes something they = do know. After all, we weren't born knowing Christmas carols. You're a teacher too, you just didn't realize it! Diane    
(back) Subject: Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:53:09 -0400 (EDT)       >How would you (as the business manager) > feel about paying the bills of an organization > that teaches so radically different a theology > than your own? >> Holy cow! These are Unitarians, not flesh-eating barbarians! I don't think writing a check to the power company for electricity used in Unitarian worship would be compromising. I don't think you're going to be writing checks for hideous activities. There are even things that the House of Bishops does in the Episcopal church that I don't agree with; but that's their problem, not mine. As long as I am squared with God, then I'm taken care of! I'm organist in a Methodist church and also a member of that church (in addition to the Episcopal church); both denominations do things I don't agree with... after all, they're only HUMAN! As it stands, there is no perfect church in this world; we are all struggling and searching, and making mistakes. The perfect church is yet to come, and I don't think it's going to need a business manager, and may not even need organists, music directors or clergy.   >... can I separate my theological holdings from > doing just an "office job" in an organization > which supports such radical views from my > own.. actually, if you look carefully, you'll probably find that the Unitarian beliefs are not as radical as you presently think. From what I've seen they are more perceptual differences.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:05:46 -0400 (EDT)     >Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, and Haydn are > drivel? Volume 19 Mendelssohn, Schubert - > Lorenz, July 96 Bach, Beethoven, Chopin and Haydn are not drivel, but I have seen hideous things done to them by Lorenz; I doubt if B, B, C & H would claim them afterward!   >then there's the arrangement angle. Make it > fancier or simpler. No arrangement angle. Just play what the composer wrote. After you've taken the time to learn it, it won't seem hard as before.   >=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 I do remember somebody muttering > behind me in another church one day that "it's > nice music, but I wish they'd play something I > know". Play good music more often... that's how people learn it. When you introduce a new hymn, it needs to be repeated often. The same with literature, but not as often. A good piece of music can be used once a month without bordom setting in; after several months, the space can be longer.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:04 -0400   Yes Bruce, you're right. The originals are the best. I'm doing 2 minute specials too. They decided that fellowship before the service was important, and didn't like the announcements in the middle of the worship service, so somebody says Good Morning, adds anything that didn't get printed, and then I do the Prelude while the kids light the candles to get started. Also, the choir rehearses upstairs just before church, and I have to play for them, which doesn't leave much time, maybe 5 minutes. My predecessors used to tear madly down the stairs to start playing the = prelude to get it in ahead of time. I decided not to do that. I need a couple of minutes to check in with the pastor, make certain of details, and I like = to be there for the prayer with the choir before we start. And we have a few people who get really upset if it's not over at noon sharp! I like your BaskerBeagles. Somebody down in the village had a coon hound all one summer. There can't be many things that sound worse than an unhappy, tied up, lonely coonhound. What a voice! The locals finally = made him get it out of town somehow. I don't think anybody shot it, but a lot = of people joked about it. Diane    
(back) Subject: Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:38:12 -0700   A friend of mine, a VEDDY high-church Lutheran, has been = organist-choirmaster in a Unitarian church for many years. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable = playing in a Unitarian church, but they have a good organ and a good choir, and he certainly gets to do just about anything he wants to in the way of music, = from Broadway show excerpts to opera scenes to early music to whatever.   As to office manager, I don't see a problem. They're not paying you to be theologian-in-residence; they're paying you to run the office. Of = necessity you'll have to learn something about their various practices, both = business and liturgical, but that doesn't mean you have to subscribe to them. And, = being Unitarians, I'm SURE they won't put any pressure on you to convert (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 6/9/99 1:13:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > dgoward@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << If the differences were minor, it wouldn't be a big deal, but this = sounds > like quite a departure from your beliefs. Would there be a credibility > problem? How would you (as the business manager) feel about paying the > bills of an organization that teaches so radically different a theology = than > your own? >> > > Good points... and this is where the dilema lies -- can I separate my > theological holdings from doing just an "office job" in an organization = which > supports such radical views from my own... > > John > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:44:10 -0700   Awwww, Bruce! My Hammond/Suzuki was MADE to play that Lorenz stuff, and I always get compliments when I play Ellen Jane's partita on "Washed In The Blood", or whatever. Cummon, have a little FUN once in awhile.   I play the Clavieruebung, Part III, small and large versions (except for = the Vater unser ... sheesh, what a briar patch!), but I'm not above dragging = out the Lorenz for communion, or in the summertime when I don't feel like practicing (I'm not getting a vacation this year because I was out sick = for a month in January).   Cheerz,   Bud   bruce cornely wrote:   > >Most of the Lorenz pieces are timed, and > > about 1 to 3 minutes. They are also usually > > quite flexible. > Please don't take this in the "wrong" way, and it is not said to offend, > but if you want your congregation to want to hear longer preludes, I > would suggest giving them short preludes of significantly better quality > than anything Lorenz has ejected from its presses. I think I would > almost rather listen to announcements than Lorenz "driveludes." Your > time will be better spent learning REAL music (literature, that is!). > > Bruce & the Baskerbeagles > ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~ > > Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom > Aleichem > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:45:37 -0700   Bruce has this "thang" about chorale preludes, you see ... I just bought = my second or third replacement copy of "The Church Organist's Golden = Treasury" (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   bruce cornely wrote:   > >My new query is: besides the Orgelbuchlein, > > the 8 Little Preludes and Fugues (separately: > > P sans F, F sans P, given the time > > constraint), the Rheinberger Trios, and some > > of the briefer Pachelbel toccatas, preludes > > and fugues, what else can you suggest in the > > way of ca. 2-minute miniatures that'll be > > worth. > > My suggestion would be to take the pieces of > great literature that you would like to introduce to the congregation > and edit them so that you can use 2-minute segments. The Franck > a-minor chorale comes to mind, with the quiet trompette solo section; > you could also play the beginning, stopping at the first cadence, even > though it's not in a-minor (as I recall), or you could play the > conclusion, simply starting 2-minutes from the end (it doesn't matter, > after a measure or two people will forget how it started. The opening > statement of the Bach p&f in b-minor takes about 2-minutes, also the > g-minor. Just use good or great music, and ignore those **&^#$ chorale > preludes. They're uninteresting at best to most people! Try playing > excerpts of great literature. Maybe people will get excited about it > and want to hear the whole thing!! I've done this for years and even > repeat these "little" pieces fairly regularly; it is so rewarding when I > play all of a great work and someone says, "That's one of my favorite > pieces." > > Bruce & the Baskerbeagles > ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~ > > Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom > Aleichem > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Cross posted From: "STOPS" <mail@stops.org> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:01:20 +0100   hi all   I am forwarding the following in the hope that someone stateside can help this chap.   From: <JHayes2613@aol.com> To: <MAIL@stops.org> Sent: 09 June 1999 18:57 Subject: No Subject     > i'm trying to find a home for a BEAUTIFUL 1911 steer pipe organ = currently > residing in a church that has closed its doors here in kansas city... = can you > help spread the word and have any interested parties contact me??? > thanks! > john hayes >    
(back) Subject: Speaking of Lorenz From: Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:35:36 -0500   Greetings!   Since some of you have mentioned Lorenz publications, I have been = wondering if they still publish their bi-monthly "The Organist". I have a few old copies as recent as the late 1980's that were given to me. If it is still being published, would somebody pass on subscription information? My = organ teacher has the same opinion of Lorenz as Mr. Cornely, but I've seen some gems among the crapola.   Thanks,     ** Jim Zimmerman jrzimmer@purdue.edu **    
(back) Subject: Region III (Pittsburgh) get-together? From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:24:33 -0400 (EDT)   Hello from The Burgh, host to AGO Region III convention 6/20-23.   Would appreciate private email from any and all listers who will be attending the above and might like to put faces to the names they see on piporg 'n' pipechat.   I'll report back after a few days.   One possibility might be Monday evening after the busses return us to downtown from the 'Organ Plus' concert (in the 'burbs'). Another might be Tuesday evening after the banquet (which is 'dahntahn', as we say here).   As I indicated, private responses, please: no sense using up bandwidth on the lists.   Incidentally, registration for the convention stood at 320 as of Monday - I understand the largest so far for the regionals.   See you there (here), Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: miniature masterpieces (was: incred. shr. pre.) From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:31:29 EDT   Did I miss MENDELSSOHN - short movements from the Organ Sonatas? Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Region III (Pittsburgh) get-together? From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:19:26 -0700     > Hello from The Burgh, host to AGO Region III convention 6/20-23.   I thought folks on the west coast might like to know that Region IX's convention is 6/28 - 7/1 in Sacramento. Exhibits will be in the Raddison Hotel where several organ builders, including Johannus, will be displaying instruments. A Johannus Rembrandt 3000 and an Opus 5 will be available to try out and listen to on June 30 and July 1.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Dogma vs. no Dogma From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:18:17 -0500   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: > > Greeting fellow pipechatters, > > This is way off topic -- but here it goes: I have been offered a high = paying > job as office manager at a Unitarian Universalist church and I am the > organist/choirmaster at a Lutheran church, my own faith is Anglican, my > question is should I consider this position -- is it ethical? I'm having = a > hard time with their (UU) lack of a creed, dismissal of Jesus as just a > Prophet, and their other nonconformist ideologies. Make no mistake I = will > not give up my job at the Lutheran church and I will NOT change my = religious > affiliation, but I just wonder if this would 1) be a sin, or 2) look bad = on > my resume. > > Thanks for any thoughts/ideas/suggestions! > Speaking as the husband of an Episcopal Rector, I would say from our experience that from a church operates better when the office manager is not a member of the same denomination. We found when a parishioner calls up with a problem, there is a temptation for someone who belongs to the church to engage them in conversation and discussion rather than referring them to the right person. What is important from the Christian perspective is that you should do a good job at whatever you do, and from this point of view it doesn't matter whether you have a sacred job or a secular one. I cannot imagine how anyone would think it wrong to be working for a different denomination. One of our parishioners was for some years organist of the Ethical Culture Society, and nobody in our church saw anything wrong with that.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Region I From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:28:28 -0400   I believe registration at Region I AGO Convention June 27-30 is now over 300, we'll have a race. I can be found at the buses, am Transportation Co-Chair! Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: this 'n that... From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:08:33 -0500       Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > > > Well, I was there this past Saturday, and the pedals have > returned, not just repaired, but a brand new pedalboard! It looks the = same > and feels the same as the original one, but it's new. The cost: 12 = thousand > dollars. YIKES! Casavant does very good work. So, I'll be taking more > pictures and offering them to the list, as well as the pictures I took = on > May 12th (they're on the same roll). > > Seems to be a little pricey for just a pedalboard................I = wonder > what they charge for a manual with 61 keys.........   Jon Bertschinger   > > > > Carlo >