PipeChat Digest #911 - Friday, June 11, 1999
 
.WAV/Mechanicals/Copyrights/Ethics
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Peterson Shade Engines and Temperature
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: help!
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Organs in Montreal Xposted
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
(ADMIN) Internet WORM - Real Warning
  by "ADMINISTRATION" <admin@pipechat.org>
4' Clarion
  by "Barry Norris" <the1220chambers@yahoo.com>
Reverberation
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Library of Congress files
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Library of Congress files
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Ah, the way is narrow!
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Library of Congress files
  by "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca>
Re: [Fwd: UU Church]
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: [Fwd: UU Church]
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: [Fwd: UU Church]
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Library of Congress files
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: [Fwd: UU Church]
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Re: Bigoted nonconformists
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Library of Congress files
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Re: Library of Congress files
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
 


(back) Subject: .WAV/Mechanicals/Copyrights/Ethics From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:24:17 -0400   Carlo, I believe what you are doing is illegal. Diane pays princely sums = of money to owners of copyrights in order to broadcast the music she performs on the Joy of Music. Even if the music you are compressing to a .wav = format is in the public domain, I still have to ask the question is it ethical to do this without her (and Simon's) permission.   Yes, I'm singling out you since you have boldly suggested people photocopy and distribute/share music still in copyright. This is not a personal attack, please know, but merely one to help you know what you are doing is not acceptable. On the staff of the television broadcast at the Church, there is one person whose sole responsibility is to research the copyright owner of the music performed to request permission for broadcast and to = pay mechanicals, etc.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea     At 07:30 PM 6/10/99 EDT, you wrote: >Darryl, > > I recorded the Joy of Music off the TV, on my VCR, as I do >every week. I then transfered the audio track to an audio tape. I do that = so >I can listen to the music on my walkman. I've purchased every one of her >audio tapes and have also purchased 4 episodes/factory tapes. Do I need >written permission to record a TV show on my VCR? I don't think so. = Anyone >out there can very easily get this piece if they record it off the TV, or =   >buy the 2-part episode entitled "Bish/Preston; A Concert for 2 Organs" = 9101 >& 9104. What I'm doing is completely harmless. Check into it. > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >    
(back) Subject: Peterson Shade Engines and Temperature From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:02:41 EDT   In a message dated 6/11/99 3:29:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, arpncorn@davesworld.net writes:   << Well, I'm not Maestro Foppiano, but hopefully, he won't mind if I answer. . . No problem.       The Peterson engines can be "programmed" to do one of the following things: 1) Open when the organ powers down. 2) Close when the organ powers-down. or 3) Be in whatever position you leave the swell shoe in when the organ powers down. There are reasons why one would want to have these possibilities. >>   Definitely!!!!! At the National Shrine, air conditioning has not yet been =   installed 9though the duct work and fans are there). Therefore the temperature and humidity inside the church is the result of whatever may = be goin on outside. The four main chambers are upstairs in the gallery where = it is ealisy 15 to 20 degrees hotter than the main floor during the worst = summer months, and the antiphonal chambers are in the basement below the floor = and surrponded by 3' thick concrete walls. There is a vast difference between =   the the temperatures of the main and antiphonal chambers.   As a result, there are heaters in the antiphonal chambers (which are much COOLER in the summer than the main) which were, as far as we can tell, = used during the summer months so that while the main divisions were baking = nicely upstairs the antiphonal pipes would at least be kept in tune with them.   Then in the winter time the process was reversed. The main chamber = heaters come on and the antiphonal chambers (which sit over the church boiler = room) go off. I remember many times in the dead of winter when I would look = into the antiphonal chambers which are located right outside my office and the temperature in them was at least 75-78 degrees. VERY interesting building = to say the very least.   Speaking recently with some organ tuner friends of mine about this they = said that it would make perfect sense to tune the main and antiphonal divisions =   together so that they are in tune with each other during the summer and = then repitch the two antiphonal divisions in the fall when the heat comes on in =   lieu of using the heaters during the summer. And while this would require =   more work for the tuners at least the pipes (and all of our new leather) would not sit there and bake unnecessarily 12 months out of the year as opposed to merely during heating season in the fall and winter. Well- = we'll see.   As far as the Petersons- Rick's points about having programmable Petersons = is very true indeed depending on the specific needs of a given church- such = as ours.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower  
(back) Subject: Re: help! From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:46:10 -0500   Actual;y the command is: SUBSCRIBE PIPORG-L your name   The address Preston sent is the new, correct one.   David   >Send e-mail to listserv@listserv.albany.edu. Blank subject. The message >will be 'subscribe piporl-l XXXX', (no quotation marks) where XXXX is >your name. >        
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Montreal Xposted From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:47:05 -0500   The address for the OHS is: http://www.organsociety.org      
(back) Subject: (ADMIN) Internet WORM - Real Warning From: ADMINISTRATION <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:52:34 -0500   =46olks   As you know we are usually against publishing Virus Warnings unless they are verified. And this one has been verified on various levels and it is for real. The developers of the server are working on a filter but until that time please be very careful as to what you send via the list. Although the server excludes "enclosures" (attachments), this worm comes through as part of an email so there is the possibility of it getting through the list server. Please pay heed. The link for info and help is directly below & then a short description blurb.   ***************************************************************** <http://www.mcafee.com/viruses/explorezip/default.asp>   W32/ExploreZip.worm Help Center   McAfee.com   W32/ExploreZip.worm is a worm that infects Windows systems. It is very dangerous, potentially more destructive than Melissa. It reproduces itself by sending replies to incoming email messages, with itself as an attachment called "zipped_files.exe". It includes a payload: it will search the user's hard drive and delete all files of types .c, .cpp, .asm, =2Edoc, .xls, .ppt.   IMPORTANT =97 If you receive an email with the message "I received your email and I shall send you a reply ASAP. Till then, take a look at the attached zipped docs.", DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY! It will have an attachment called "zipped_files.exe"; DO NOT DOUBLE-CLICK OR RUN THIS ATTACHMENT! If you do, it will infect your system! ********************************************************************   As usual, this is Off-Topic so please no discussion of it. And just a reminder - only Pete and I are the ones to post warnings like this. I hope all of you follow safe computing and NEVER open an attached file unless you know EXACTLY what it is and trust the person it is from. It is also SAFE computing practice to ALWAYS run virus protection software. i know the various virus protection software developers are also working on updated files for their software. If you are using protection software check the developers web site for updated files.   David   ******************************** David Scribner Co-Owner - Technical Administratior PipeChat   850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: 4' Clarion From: Barry Norris <the1220chambers@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:10:44 -0700 (PDT)   John,   I fear that a 4'C of 4", and all that follows won't fit on the chest. I am in the process of seeing if I can move some other reed ranks around and still make your set work.   I know that I possess an attitude that is probably more emotion than good business sense, but I don't like to see ANY set of old pipework that is still in OK condition go into the trash. So, I am still trying.   One other question: Where, if at all does the set go harmonic? That also enters into my spacial requirements.   Thanks,   Barry Norris _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Reverberation From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:21:07 -0400       My experience with a large room was when I was at Christ Lutheran Church = (the Saarinen building), Minneapolis, MN from 1967 - 1971. The 3M, ca. 30 rank Casavant in the rear gallery would indeed vary by volume, reverberation = and acoustics. Different divisions would interact differently by time of day, = how long the organ had been turned on, day by day, season by season. There = are so many variables going on (air temperature, humidity, temperature of floor, = walls and ceiling, tuning of pipes, temperature in organ chamber, temperature of pipes, air intake on blower) that, even though sometimes subtle, the organ probably never sounds exactly the same each time one plays it. But isn't = that one of the fascinating things about this instrument that we love. I can = see that an electronic appliance (Dirt Devil) could also experience some of = the room variations, but is lacking all of the variety that pipes would give to the equation.   Wayne Burcham-Gulotta      
(back) Subject: Library of Congress files From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:52:07 -0700   Somebody directed me to "Music of the Millions", that huge collection of choral and organ music from the 1970s-1880s on the Library of Congress site. And there are indeed MANY treasures to be found there.   My question is: how do you download them to be able to get a readable copy? So far, the printouts I've attempted are (1) tiny and (2) covered with annoying dots. No, it's not my printer (inkjet) ... it prints other things fine.   HALP!!!   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Library of Congress files From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:19:08 EDT   In a message dated 6/11/99 9:58:03 AM Central Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << My question is: how do you download them to be able to get a readable copy? So far, the printouts I've attempted are (1) tiny and (2) covered with annoying dots >>   Good question... but why not just wear magnifying glasses while playing = the pieces and save the annoying dots for during the sermon and then connect = the dots!? (actually you may come up with some hidden music by connecting the dots - just remember to put staves on them first!) LOL  
(back) Subject: Re: Ah, the way is narrow! From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:58:56 -0400   Actually, Rich--to press on you a bit--I hope you had some better reasons, too. I do share your sentiments, of course. It was an Illinois family of Lutherans, 35 years ago, who enjoyed visits from Uncle Bob in the Bronx = each summer--but couldn't say Grace Before Meals with him, because, though he, too, was LCMS, he'd been praying with non-LCMS Lutherans during the = previous months in the Bronx!   Alan   ---------- >From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>, DRAWKNOB@aol.com >Subject: Dogma Question >Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 5:11 AM >   > I finally left the Lutheran church over that kind of petty narrowness.  
(back) Subject: Re: Library of Congress files From: "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:29:06 -0500   Bud, What is the URL of "Music of the Millions"?   Thanks, Russ >  
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church] From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:43:00 -0400   Hey, Roy, relax. Even though I have nothing to do with UUism, and would = not have, even EYE do not read John's post that way. If UUism were = acknowledged widely to be the greatest religion or philosophy on earth, it could be unethical or a bad resume item to be connected with it--not because of UUism, but because of somebody else's hangups, justified or not. "Sin" is = a bit strong, but it could go against someone's conscience for the same = (right or wrong--no judgments here, in the best UU tradition) "reasons"--and therefore even "sin" in somebody's eyes.   Put it this way. Roman Catholicism is certainly respectable. But if that was a major feature of your resume and you wanted a job at a Pentecostal Church (also perfectly respectable), the big RC history would be kind of = an eyebrow-raiser, wouldn't it?   Don't be offended. I don't think John meant it that way even a little = tiny bit.   Alan Freed   >From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: [Fwd: UU Church] >Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 9:37 PM   > As a member of the UU Church I am shocked that you would > think it unethical, a sin, or a bad resume item to work for a UU > Church.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church] From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:44:51 -0400   On the other hand, that surprises me a bit. Can you document it in any = way? Preferably including some time-brackets in that long and marvelous life?   Alan   >From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: [Fwd: UU Church] >Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 9:37 PM >   > Many present day "saints" including Schweitzer have > been Unitarians.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church] From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:11:49 +0100   Whilst there seems to me to be great tolerance between Anglicans/Episcopalians and Roman Catholics, it is a tragic reality that many nonconformist congregations - particularly those on the evangelical / fundamentalist wing - would regard a track record of service to Rome or Canterbury as a negative parameter.   This, in fact, is appalling, and bespeaks a deep arrogance in that judgement is being passed that one is "not a Christian" unless one belongs to "our particular branch of the Club".   My experience in this matter teaches me that such bigotry is unusual in the Anglican/Episcopalian traditions, somewhat - but not overwhelmingly - in evidence in Roman circles, but, sadly, archetypal of fundamentalist denominations.   I can only speak as I have found.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 05:43 Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church]     >Hey, Roy, relax. Even though I have nothing to do with UUism, and would not >have, even EYE do not read John's post that way. If UUism were acknowledged >widely to be the greatest religion or philosophy on earth, it could be >unethical or a bad resume item to be connected with it--not because of >UUism, but because of somebody else's hangups, justified or not. "Sin" = is a >bit strong, but it could go against someone's conscience for the same (right >or wrong--no judgments here, in the best UU tradition) "reasons"--and >therefore even "sin" in somebody's eyes. > >Put it this way. Roman Catholicism is certainly respectable. But if = that >was a major feature of your resume and you wanted a job at a Pentecostal >Church (also perfectly respectable), the big RC history would be kind of = an >eyebrow-raiser, wouldn't it? > >Don't be offended. I don't think John meant it that way even a little = tiny >bit. > >Alan Freed > >>From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> >>To: pipechat@pipechat.org >>Subject: [Fwd: UU Church] >>Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 9:37 PM > >> As a member of the UU Church I am shocked that you would >> think it unethical, a sin, or a bad resume item to work for a UU >> Church. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Library of Congress files From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:57:17 -0700   I had the title wrong: it's "Music for the Nation". The URL is:   http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/smhtml/smhome.html   Cheers,   Bud   Russell Greene wrote:   > Bud, > What is the URL of "Music of the Millions"? > > Thanks, > Russ > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church] From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:18:17 -0400       It is sad, but I generally agree with Mark. Having grown up a Baptist = (Am. Bapt. Convention), having played in most every denomination at one time or = the other, even Synagogue once (met Dr. Ruth), having been a member of = Lutheran bodies (L.C.A., L.C.M.S., E.L.C.A.) and currently being an Episcopalian = (finally got it right, tee hee), I've "been around." But it is also not fair to = lump every "fundamentalist" into the baby-eating ogre category lest we show the arrogance of which we accuse them. But is there a trend with the fundies = or would one be more likely to get raised eyebrows with a liturgical = background applying for a fundy position, probably yes.         "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> on 06/11/99 01:11:49 PM   Please respond to "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> cc: (bcc: WAYNE BURCHAM/NYOM/ROYAL-SSD) Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church]         Whilst there seems to me to be great tolerance between Anglicans/Episcopalians and Roman Catholics, it is a tragic reality that many nonconformist congregations - particularly those on the evangelical / fundamentalist wing - would regard a track record of service to Rome or Canterbury as a negative parameter.   This, in fact, is appalling, and bespeaks a deep arrogance in that judgement is being passed that one is "not a Christian" unless one belongs to "our particular branch of the Club".   My experience in this matter teaches me that such bigotry is unusual in the Anglican/Episcopalian traditions, somewhat - but not overwhelmingly - in evidence in Roman circles, but, sadly, archetypal of fundamentalist denominations.   I can only speak as I have found.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 05:43 Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church]     >Hey, Roy, relax. Even though I have nothing to do with UUism, and would not >have, even EYE do not read John's post that way. If UUism were acknowledged >widely to be the greatest religion or philosophy on earth, it could be >unethical or a bad resume item to be connected with it--not because of >UUism, but because of somebody else's hangups, justified or not. "Sin" = is a >bit strong, but it could go against someone's conscience for the same (right >or wrong--no judgments here, in the best UU tradition) "reasons"--and >therefore even "sin" in somebody's eyes. > >Put it this way. Roman Catholicism is certainly respectable. But if = that >was a major feature of your resume and you wanted a job at a Pentecostal >Church (also perfectly respectable), the big RC history would be kind of = an >eyebrow-raiser, wouldn't it? > >Don't be offended. I don't think John meant it that way even a little = tiny >bit. > >Alan Freed > >>From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> >>To: pipechat@pipechat.org >>Subject: [Fwd: UU Church] >>Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 9:37 PM > >> As a member of the UU Church I am shocked that you would >> think it unethical, a sin, or a bad resume item to work for a UU >> Church. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org                
(back) Subject: Re: Bigoted nonconformists From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:28:02 -0400   >From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church] >Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999, 1:11 PM   > Whilst there seems to me to be great tolerance > between Anglicans/Episcopalians and Roman Catholics, > it is a tragic reality that many nonconformist congregations - > particularly those on the evangelical / fundamentalist wing - > would regard a track record of service to Rome or Canterbury > as a negative parameter.   True.   > This, in fact, is appalling, and bespeaks a deep arrogance > in that judgement is being passed that one is "not a Christian" > unless one belongs to "our particular branch of the Club".   Well, you are appalled rather easily. There is arrogance. And I've seen = it too. But I could never go so far as to characterize it as a judgment that "one is 'not a Christian' unless one belongs to 'our particular branch of the Club." This arrogance is seen a lot in musical circles, of course. = But in my 67th year, and pretty involved in such things since about 1950, I've never once see it go that far--well, ALMOST, maybe. I'm in the Lutheran denomination (ELCA, fairly broadminded). But an organist applying for a position who'd spent the past 30 years in the Baptist church would make me ask: Is he, then, a Baptist? Apparently he's quite satisfied with the Baptist way of doing things? The usual Baptist way of doing things, musically, is quite different from the usual Lutheran way of doing things, musically. Will he be happy here? Does he have any instinct for "our = way" of doing things? Does he even have the slightest idea of how and why we = do things--musically? I'd want to talk to this person about such questions. Over lunch. Or several lunches. Our present organist, with whom we are very happy, was sought by us for over a year before he took the post; when we first wanted him, he was a Romanist, with a fine record of service in = the Roman Church. There was never any question as to his Christianity. Just before he finally accepted this post he converted to Lutheranism. His predecessor was a superbly competent organist (now on the bench at the largest pipe organ in the midwest); he was also a fine Christian gentleman--but of a Reformed protestant background. Unlike our present organist, he lacked "instinct" that is nurtured over years for how we do things--but he was a highly satisfactory organist nonetheless. (In the realm of "instinct" and "intuition," Romans and Lutherans are pretty much identical.)   > My experience in this matter teaches me that such > bigotry is unusual in the Anglican/Episcopalian traditions, > somewhat - but not overwhelmingly - in evidence in Roman > circles, but, sadly, archetypal of fundamentalist > denominations.   I think your observations are reasonably correct, but I just wouldn't make that much out of them. If I were a Baptist = organist-search-committeeperson, I'd look askance at a Lutheran, Episcopal, or Roman applicant too. The "feel" for the job is just different. We might enjoy getting to know each other. I have a super friend who is a Pentecostal of 20 years' standing, but who's delighted with everything about his job as a Lutheran organist. He has, perhaps we can say, "catholic" tastes! I think that's neat. I'd = be a better man if I could say the same for myself!   Alan Freed          
(back) Subject: Re: Library of Congress files From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:52:14 -0400     I had the same problem, Bud. If anyone offers you a workable solution, would you please be so kind as to share it with me? Thanks.   Dave   -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:56 AM Subject: Library of Congress files     >Somebody directed me to "Music of the Millions", that huge collection of >choral and organ music from the 1970s-1880s on the Library of Congress >site. And there are indeed MANY treasures to be found there. > >My question is: how do you download them to be able to get a readable >copy? So far, the printouts I've attempted are (1) tiny and (2) covered >with annoying dots. No, it's not my printer (inkjet) ... it prints other >things fine. > >HALP!!! > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Library of Congress files From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:08:31 -0700   At 07:52 PM 6/10/99 -0700, Bud wrote: >My question is: how do you download them to be able to get a readable >copy? So far, the printouts I've attempted are (1) tiny and (2) covered >with annoying dots. I'm pretty sure you're trying to print the gif file embedded in the web page, not the tif file that's the "real" scan. When you call up the list of pieces and click to go to one, you wind up = on a screen that has a picture of a page of music on it (that's decidedly = less than life size) and a link at the top that says "access bitonal tiff = file". That link will get you the "real" scan of that page of sheet music, as will clicking on the smaller picture of the page embedded in the web page....they're the same link. In order to work with .tif files you'll need a decent graphics prog. I'd suggest Paint Shop Pro from http://www.jasc.com ...nice program, very = stable.   Have fun! Ad ;->