PipeChat Digest #916 - Sunday, June 13, 1999
 
Re: [Fwd: UU Church]
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Neil Brown
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Different Baptists
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re:Bigoted Nonconformist
  by "jeffrey korns" <jakorns@worldnet.att.net>
Fw: [churchorganist] Northminster Ch. - 6/13/99
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Curious about improvisation...
  by "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net>
Re: Different Baptists
  by "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net>
Re: Curious about improvisation...
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
RE: Fw: Fw: Bigoted nonconformists
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
RE: Bigoted Nonconformist
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: UU Church] From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 00:04:04 -0400 (EDT)   Since there are no less than 600 species of Baptist, I suppose your statement could be correct for one or more of them. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Neil Brown From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:17:08 -0500   Neil... Your address came back to me undeliverable. Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Different Baptists From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:26:08 -0700   ]     Since there are no less than 600 species of Baptist, I suppose your statement could be correct for one or more of them. --Neil     I play for a Baptist church that is inclusive in language, liturgical in worship, we use the UCC hymnal, arts, dance, theatre are used frequently ..... and the most loving and supportive congregation I have ever served. = I really feel like a Christian playing for God for the first time in my = life.   Sand        
(back) Subject: Re:Bigoted Nonconformist From: jeffrey korns <jakorns@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:22:41 -0500   Having been raised in a "Fundementalist" church and been an organist in evangelical churches, I can attest to the fact that most evangelical churches are concerned about an organists theological stance. This is because an organist is considered part of the church staff. An organists theology does not impact their talent or ability to adapt to different formats of worship. However, the churches usually take the view that they are stewards of the congregations tithes and that staff members should have a profession of belief that is consistant with that of the church. I have discovered that it is quite possible for a former R C organist to fit in to the evangelical church (the basics of R C theology and conservative protestant theology eg: the Trinity, Christ's death and resurrection, are compatible). My organ professor in an Evangelical college and organist at a very large evangelical protestant church came out of a 20+ year background in the R.C. church. Jeff Korns  
(back) Subject: Fw: [churchorganist] Northminster Ch. - 6/13/99 From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:27:54 -0700     -----Original Message----- From: Sand Lawn <sandlawn@prodigy.net> To: churchorganist@onelist.com <churchorganist@onelist.com> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: [churchorganist] Northminster Ch. - 6/13/99     >From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> > >Service Music >Northminster Church >Monroe, Louisiana >Sunday, June 13, 1999 >The Third Sunday after Pentecost > >The Preludes > Rejoicing G.F.Handel > Trumpet Tune in C Henry Purcell > My Spirit be Joyful J.S.Bach > (the above for four hands and feet) > >The Prologue > Make A Joyful Noise D.H.Clark > >The Introit > Cry Out and Shout Knut Nystaadt > >The Processional Hymn > Sing Praise to God, Our Highest Good > MIT FREUDEN ZART > >The Voluntary > Largo in G G.F.Handel > >The Meditation > There'll be Joy in the Morning Natalie Sleeth > >The Hymn > My Life Flows on in Endless Song > ENDLESS SONG > >The Anthem > And the Father will Dance Over You in Joy > Mark Hayes > >The Sermon Response > Doxology LAAST UNS ERFREUEN > >The Recessional Hymn > Sent Forth by God's Blessing THE ASH GROVE > >The Closing Voluntary > "Carillon" from Partita on Duke Street > Charles Callahan > >Northminster Church >Monroe, Louisiana >Ministers - Dr. C.Welton Gaddy, James Evans >Musicians - D.H.Clark, Sand Lawn > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Campaign 2000 is here! >http://www.onelist.com >Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage.      
(back) Subject: Curious about improvisation... From: "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:38:52 -0500   I'm interested to know some of the list members' experience with improvisation. Personally, I consider myself to be an accomplished recitalist and a decent service player. I hold a position in a large Presbyterian Church with a sophisticated music program. I am also halfway through a Master of Sacred Music Program and am playing some terribly difficult literature right now (Reubke 94th Psalm, Widor VI, etc.) Unfortunately though, I can't hear a door slam! I couldn't sit down and play 'Happy Birthday' if I had to! I think perhaps this is a slight lack = of natural aural talent that I have allowed to balloon into a giant psychological roadblock. 1) Is there anyone out there like me who doesn't improvise at all? 2) For those of you who do improvise, to what extent do you rely on this skill in your services? 3) Any suggestions for my learning this craft?   Thanks! Mark mahopper@bigfoot.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Different Baptists From: "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:42:03 -0500   Sand...   I've been looking for a Baptist church like that for a long time...   You must be in heaven. Are you sure you're still alive?   -Mark mahopper@bigfoot.com   -----Original Message----- From: Sand Lawn <sandlawn@prodigy.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: Different Baptists     >] > > >Since there are no less than 600 species of Baptist, I suppose your >statement could be correct for one or more of them. > --Neil > > >I play for a Baptist church that is inclusive in language, liturgical in >worship, we use the UCC hymnal, arts, dance, theatre are used frequently >.... and the most loving and supportive congregation I have ever served. = I >really feel like a Christian playing for God for the first time in my = life. > >Sand > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Curious about improvisation... From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:22:43 -0700   I think it's genetic ... I played for an EPISCOPAL church for four YEARS = before I learned to read music ... if the priest could sing it, I could play it. = You should have heard him trying to WHISTLE the Venite (grin).   I grew up listening to the great old service players who came out of the = English Cathedral tradition ... students of T. T. Noble, etc. ... and I sat in the = back of St. Mary Magdalene in Toronto and listened to Dr. Willan play services = every chance I got. And McNeal Robinson at Smoky Mary's (of the younger = generation).   I'm told that the Dupre Method is an excellent intellectual approach to = the subject ... but I just follow my instincts.   I like Gerre Hancock's approach ... if you make a mistake, repeat it; = better yet, incorporate it as a motif in the improv (grin).   I came down on a real knot of a tone cluster while I was improvising on = "Aeterna Christi Munera" after Mass on St. Barnabas Day (last Friday) ... it ended = up being one of the chords in the 7/8 rhythmic motif underneath the chant = melody. Startled everybody at first, including me, but it worked. As long as you = give the APPEARANCE of knowing what you're doing (grin) ...   Pick a style, and listen to everything you can get your hands on. My = particular "stock-pot" of melodies comes from the Chant; look at Bach's motifs in the Orgelbuechlein and the cantatas ... that's his language, in miniature. I'm = more in tune with the French romantic style because I'm a conservative = Anglo-Catholic .... when I substitute in my friend's LCMS they tell me the chorale = partitas come out sounding like Langlais ... I THINK that's a compliment (grin).   Be absolutely FEARLESS with your instrument ... you can't break it, at = least not by PLAYING it. My divisional pistons are always set: celestes/voix = humaine, fonds, plein jeu, grand jeu, tutti. That pretty much gets me through most things. Or did, when I had a real organ to play. The only registration = worth fooling with on my present instrument is the on/off switch.   Cheers,   Bud   Mark Hopper wrote:   > I'm interested to know some of the list members' experience with > improvisation. Personally, I consider myself to be an accomplished > recitalist and a decent service player. I hold a position in a large > Presbyterian Church with a sophisticated music program. I am also = halfway > through a Master of Sacred Music Program and am playing some terribly > difficult literature right now (Reubke 94th Psalm, Widor VI, etc.) > Unfortunately though, I can't hear a door slam! I couldn't sit down = and > play 'Happy Birthday' if I had to! I think perhaps this is a slight = lack of > natural aural talent that I have allowed to balloon into a giant > psychological roadblock. > 1) Is there anyone out there like me who doesn't improvise at = all? > 2) For those of you who do improvise, to what extent do you rely = on > this skill in your services? > 3) Any suggestions for my learning this craft? > > Thanks! > Mark > mahopper@bigfoot.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Fw: Fw: Bigoted nonconformists From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:34:34 -0700   > > Rick, could you email me privately and tell me what Onanism is. I > haven't heard that term before. Thanks, Neil   It has something to do with portable generators, I think.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: RE: Bigoted Nonconformist From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:39:33 -0700   > However, the churches usually take the > view that they are stewards of the congregations tithes and that staff > members should have a profession of belief that is consistant with that > of the church.   While I can agree that my personal theology may not have an impact on my ability to handle the mechanics of worship or the service, if I cannot support what the church is teaching then I personally find I cannot be as effective as a church musician as I want to be or as the congregation has = a right to expect. While some may say that is bigoted of me, I prefer to = call it honesty.   Dennis