PipeChat Digest #919 - Monday, June 14, 1999
 
Re:      Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
New
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Fw: New
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: New
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Re: AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
"Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy"
  by <George.Greene@RossNutrition.com>
Re: "Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy"
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Re: Wonderful Discovery
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: church musician as servant
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: church musician as servant
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re:      Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Curious about improvisation...
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Few!
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: church musician as servant
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Few!
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: church musician as servant
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: church musician as servant
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
musician as servent
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:21:57 +0100   At the tiny, exquisitely beautiful and historic Church of St. Giles, Packwood, in rural Warwickshire in the English Midlands, there is a small tracker organ of no particular pedigree but, in my opinion, an instrument without peer.   The Specification is:-   Great 8,8,4,2, Mixture (iv) Swell 16 (TC) 8, 4, 2, Sesquialtera (ii); 8 Pedal 16,8,4; 16 usual three couplers.   The Sesquialtera is a SUPERB compromise between Flute-scaled and principal-scaled pipes, and will "stand for" recit-de-nazard and tierce-en-taille, as well as carry a chorale (on manual or Pedal, with 8' added of course) "brighten up" the Swell Chorus Reed into a very serviceable Trumpet, provide a most interesting and useful Cornet ,complete the Swell Flue work into a balanced secondary chorus, and, finally, stand in the Plenum as a very worthy and colourful mixture, and all for so little space taken up, and at so little cost.   It is not possible, in a small instrument, to provide a specification which will serve every school of composition; attempts to do so usually result in an instrument which does nothing well. One must choose, in such circumstances.   Granted than this instrument has been modelled with two purposes in mind, namely to provide a lively and stirring lead for Congregational singing in a building with a VERY poor acoustic, and to serve the vast bulk of the Baroque Organ repertoire with effectiveness and at least some fidelity, it does so very well indeed.   Its Sesquialtera - which one would not normally expect to find on a small English village-church Organ of Victorian origin - is its crowning glory and, in its various applications, probably sees more use than the (excellent) four-rank quint mixture which completes the Great.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: emix@netcom.com <emix@netcom.com> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:00 Subject: Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk     > I thank Mr. Louder for his spirited response, and am sorry if he took >offense; I hope it is I who mistake his tone rather than viceversa. >Since I keep a fairly low profile on this list I shouldn't assume my >great esteem for Ligeti to be remembered by everyone. But, for the record, >on my dream organ the right pedal lowers the air presure. btw, it is a one >rank principal instrument (italienisches Prinzipal of course, Mr. >Cornely!) of thirty stops on three manuals: up to and including molterz. >I can dismiss the usual objections to unit mutations since it will have >31 tones to the octave, with virtual mechanical action and transposer = knob. >As to the serious matter of the organ on p82 of The American Organist: > >On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, James Louder wrote: >> Message text written by INTERNET:emix@netcom.com >> >... wouldn't the Nasard and Tierce belong to the principal chorus, a sort >> of> sesquialtera decompose? The Brustwerk has a Sesquialtera, but it would >> appear to be filling out the cornet (which could, I suppose, accompany the >> trumpet)< > >> That depends entirely on how they are scaled. > > Well yes, since I have no experience with this or any similar >instrument, for me it does come down to a game of what's in a name. > >> for Greg Harrold, but what he's doing her seems close to our own = practice >> chez Wolff, so I'll describe that. We scale the separate Nazard and >> Tierce ranks as open flutes, according to the French tradition, rather than >> as principals. They then form a true 'cornet d=E9compos=E9' = ("sequialtera >> d=E9compos=E9" is a misnomer). If you have a Sesquilatera on the other = manual >> you can use it in dialogue with the cornet of the great or in dialogue (not >> really accompaniment) with the trumpet. Not as "authentic" as another >> French cornet, but it works. >> If the the Nazard on the Great is not too wide, it can still be drawn = in >> the principal chorus, which adds a bit more definition to bass, especially >> helpful when the mixture does not contain many ranks -- very good in >> certain fugues. It is also available for duo and trio registrations. > > A true cornet, iirc, calls for a quart de nasard. I now notice >that the 2' is called octave rather than fifteenth, perhaps it is wide >enough to pass? I can imagine the sesquialtera working >better with the dulcian than would a true echo cornet, but a treble >cornet would make room for a prestant. Perhaps a dialogue on the grands >jeux is worth it (there seems to be a single tremulant for the whole >organ), but it struck me as odd that there is so little in the way of >a secondary flue chorus. >I can't quite imagine the effect of a cornet with narrow mutations, at >least not as a chorus; can you suggest a discography? It seems to be = all >that's available for the canonic Ershienen ist der herrlich Tag; not = really >accompaniment, as you say, but Grigny often uses a cornet for the middle >parts of his five part textures and I guess it would work. > >> The Violon 8' in the pedal is an excellent idea, if there's space for = the >> pipes (and money to pay for them, to be sure). For quiet pedal lines = it >> would much preferable to a many a pooty little 8' extension of the >> Soubasse. >> I'm not quite sure what you mean by calling Greg Harrold's organ "a = fine >> Ligeti instrument." Is this a wisecrack? If so, you must pardon my saying >> it is a foolish one. For what you are looking at here is a very >> intelligent specification for a small polyvalent organ. > > Some of its virtues are slowly becoming appearant, but if I may read >"polyvalent" as "unswelled eclectic" then we seem to >agree that this instrument, er, stoplist, departs from historical >models, or shall we say belongs to a living tradition? I like organs = that >make me want to learn something outside of the `suitcase" repertoire, >that one thing that can be played without compromises, >and in this case I'll stick with Ligeti. What's the first thing you >would place on the rack? > > Richard Mix > >If G. H. scaled >> things right and voiced them in proper balance this organ would prove >> astonishingly versatile.The 'orgue =E0 tout faire' really doesn't exist with >> so few stops, but I challenge anybody to come closer. > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::    
(back) Subject: New From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:09:56 -0400       Hello List,   I'm new to Pipe Chat. Peter suggested that I introduce myself to you all, = so here goes. I studied with the late Russell Saunders at Drake University, = Des Moines, IA for 2 years. I finished my BM at the University of Iowa, Iowa = City, studying organ with Gerhard Krapf. Moving to Minneapolis, MN to take a = job at Christ Lutheran Church (the Saarinen building), I did two years of = graduate studies at the University of MN - organ studies with Heinreich Fleisher = and composition studies with Dominick Argento. My partner Joe and I live in Brooklyn Heights, NY and Milford, PA. He is a microbiologist at Memorial = Sloan Kettering Cancer Hospital in NYC and has a rather ho hum approach to the = pipe organ. I spend my days on Wall Street in insurance underwriting, and the weekends in Milford, PA as organist at the local Episcopal Church, Good = Shepherd Church. It has a 5 rank mongrel that is at least a pipe organ and not an appliance. I've had the chance to hear many organs in the US. Would be = happy to answer any questions if I can be of help. In European travels I've had = the chance to hear organs in London, Canterbury, Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, = York, Coventry, Paris, Saint Denis, Versailles, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, = Cologne, Ulm - it's been great. Does anyone have experience adding MIDI to a pipe = organ? Knowing that our local parish does not/ probably will not have the money = any time in the near or distant future to significantly add ranks to the = organ, I would be interested in the viability of electronic additions, pro or con. = If you have any experience or knowledge I would be interested in your advice.   Regards,   Wayne      
(back) Subject: Fw: New From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:20:22 -0500   Hi Wayne... What ...no theatre organ background??? Geeze !!   WELCOME TO THE PACK.   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 7:14 AM Subject: New     > > >Hello List, > >I'm new to Pipe Chat. Peter suggested that I introduce myself to you = all, so >here goes. I studied with the late Russell Saunders at Drake University, Des >Moines, IA for 2 years. I finished my BM at the University of Iowa, Iowa City, >studying organ with Gerhard Krapf. Moving to Minneapolis, MN to take a = job at >Christ Lutheran Church (the Saarinen building), I did two years of = graduate >studies at the University of MN - organ studies with Heinreich Fleisher = and >composition studies with Dominick Argento. My partner Joe and I live in >Brooklyn Heights, NY and Milford, PA. He is a microbiologist at Memorial Sloan >Kettering Cancer Hospital in NYC and has a rather ho hum approach to the pipe >organ. I spend my days on Wall Street in insurance underwriting, and the >weekends in Milford, PA as organist at the local Episcopal Church, Good Shepherd >Church. It has a 5 rank mongrel that is at least a pipe organ and not an >appliance. I've had the chance to hear many organs in the US. Would be happy >to answer any questions if I can be of help. In European travels I've had the >chance to hear organs in London, Canterbury, Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, York, >Coventry, Paris, Saint Denis, Versailles, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, = Cologne, Ulm >- it's been great. Does anyone have experience adding MIDI to a pipe organ? >Knowing that our local parish does not/ probably will not have the money any >time in the near or distant future to significantly add ranks to the = organ, I >would be interested in the viability of electronic additions, pro or con. If >you have any experience or knowledge I would be interested in your = advice. > >Regards, > >Wayne > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: New From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:29:54 -0400       Hi Rick V.   Alas, no theatre organ background, at least not playing any. In my = Minneapolis days there was a pizza parlor in the suburbs that had a refurbished = theatre organ that was manned (personned) in the evenings. It was great fun.           "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> on 06/14/99 08:20:22 AM   Please respond to "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   To: "e-mail organ chat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> cc: (bcc: WAYNE BURCHAM/NYOM/ROYAL-SSD) Subject: Fw: New         Hi Wayne... What ...no theatre organ background??? Geeze !!   WELCOME TO THE PACK.   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 7:14 AM Subject: New     > > >Hello List, > >I'm new to Pipe Chat. Peter suggested that I introduce myself to you = all, so >here goes. I studied with the late Russell Saunders at Drake University, Des >Moines, IA for 2 years. I finished my BM at the University of Iowa, Iowa City, >studying organ with Gerhard Krapf. Moving to Minneapolis, MN to take a = job at >Christ Lutheran Church (the Saarinen building), I did two years of = graduate >studies at the University of MN - organ studies with Heinreich Fleisher = and >composition studies with Dominick Argento. My partner Joe and I live in >Brooklyn Heights, NY and Milford, PA. He is a microbiologist at Memorial Sloan >Kettering Cancer Hospital in NYC and has a rather ho hum approach to the pipe >organ. I spend my days on Wall Street in insurance underwriting, and the >weekends in Milford, PA as organist at the local Episcopal Church, Good Shepherd >Church. It has a 5 rank mongrel that is at least a pipe organ and not an >appliance. I've had the chance to hear many organs in the US. Would be happy >to answer any questions if I can be of help. In European travels I've had the >chance to hear organs in London, Canterbury, Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, York, >Coventry, Paris, Saint Denis, Versailles, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, = Cologne, Ulm >- it's been great. Does anyone have experience adding MIDI to a pipe organ? >Knowing that our local parish does not/ probably will not have the money any >time in the near or distant future to significantly add ranks to the = organ, I >would be interested in the viability of electronic additions, pro or con. If >you have any experience or knowledge I would be interested in your = advice. > >Regards, > >Wayne > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org                
(back) Subject: Re: AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: Cheryl C Hart <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:54:48 +0100   Richard,   I hope yesterday was not as bad as you feared!   Can the church not be persuaded to get a truly reputable pipe organ = builder or repairer in to make it work without cyphering, at the very least?   Cheryl     http://www.copemanhart.co.uk Email: info@copemanhart.co.uk  
(back) Subject: "Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy" From: George.Greene@RossNutrition.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:21:42 -0400     When I come home from visiting a Presbyterian church, I feel like I have = truly been to CHURCH. When I come home from the fundamentalist churches where I = grew up and still play, I feel like I have been to the circus! Unfortunately, = my organ-playing skills are far too modest to play in a "Frozen Chosen" = church.    
(back) Subject: Re: "Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy" From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:32:59 -0400       Don't sell yourself short, George. There is a lot of music out there that = can be done manuals only, or with modest pedal work. If you want to play in a "real" church vs. happy clappy circus, then go for it. Not sure exactly = what you mean by "frozen chosen" unless it's predestination. But we Episcopals = don't get worried about that.           George.Greene@RossNutrition.com on 06/14/99 09:21:42 AM   Please respond to "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   To: " - *pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> cc: (bcc: WAYNE BURCHAM/NYOM/ROYAL-SSD) Subject: "Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy"           When I come home from visiting a Presbyterian church, I feel like I have = truly been to CHURCH. When I come home from the fundamentalist churches where I = grew up and still play, I feel like I have been to the circus! Unfortunately, = my organ-playing skills are far too modest to play in a "Frozen Chosen" = church.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org                
(back) Subject: Re: Wonderful Discovery From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:32:03 -0500   >Friends, while this is not earth shattering news, it did make my >weekend. While preparing for today's worship on Saturday, I discovered >that our 2nd hymn was to the tune GRAFENBERG. > This tune is quoted in Peter Planyavsky's Toccata alla Rumba, which of >course you'll recall I played for the ToccataFest in May. > Text: Charles Wesley's "Jesus, the name high over all." (Meth >Hymnal #193) > These little revelations always give me a boost, don't know why, but >I"ll take a boost whenever I can get one. > Cheers. >Neil > The tune is given in many hymnals as "Nun danket all' und bringet Ehr".   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu   Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: church musician as servant From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:31:36 EDT   Dear Bud, I guess I haven't spent enough time on the actual battle lines = to be threatened or have the music disparaged. No one needs to be a doormat = in any profession. Even in the military you have the Inspector General . No = one should be berated or insulted because of their profession. In most cases, organists and choir masters still can only chose within certain parameters =   set by their denomination aasa to what music is acceptable during liturgy. = (I don't include recitals, concerts etc. held within the building) Everyone = has the final vote anyway, walk. Sincerely, Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: church musician as servant From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:21:24 EDT   In a message dated 6/14/99 12:56:04 AM Central Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << But I'M called upon to be a saint, and I'm not. No way no how. Rattle = my cage TOO much, and I'll swear like a sailor, for starters. Keep it up, and I'll walk. >>   You go BUD! I can empathize with you (from previous church positions) and =   can say that in my current position everyone thinks I'm a SAINT (I got stopped so many times yesterday to receive accolades I never thought I'd = get to the parking lot!), ... hmmmm, how little they know, he he he. :-)   John     John  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT)   > At the tiny, exquisitely beautiful and historic > Church of St. Giles, Packwood, in rural > Warwickshire in the English Midlands, there is > a small tracker organ of no particular pedigree > but, in my opinion, an instrument without > peer. The Specification is:-   >Great 8,8,4,2, Mixture (iv) >Swell 16 (TC) 8, 4, 2, Sesquialtera (ii); 8 Pedal > 16,8,4; 16 usual three couplers.   Surely there's more on the knobs than that!! Can thou be'st more specific. Thanque!     Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: Curious about improvisation... From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:49:01 EDT   In a message dated 6/13/99 9:44:38 PM Central Daylight Time, rohrschok8@webtv.net writes:   << Start by learning to play "Happy Birthday"! Just sit down and do it: play the melody, single note, in various keys, major and minor. Then add a second voice in parallel movement; >> etc....   Bruce,   This is good advice which I will attempt. I CAN'T improvise or play by = ear any more than I can fly to the moon. This is the best advice I've seen so =   far on this particular thread. Thanks!   John    
(back) Subject: Few! From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:40:16 +0100   Hi List, Yesterday evening went OK. Unfortunately I had eaten something in the day which made me feel very sick, but I still played. All was OK, I made a few slips in the Psalm, but it was my first Psalm, and I was ill so I have = been forgiven!!! I managed to find the 2 ciphering pipes and take them out, all of the extracted pipes are from the lower regions of the 2r mixture, so = they don't matter too much. A few weeks ago, when I actually found out that = this service was at this church, my organ teacher said that he would play the final hymn then improvise a voluntary (because I had put down "Fanfare" by Leighton), so I didn't learn the last hymn. I reminded him on the day and = he said that all was OK. Did he bother to come and play it? No way. I had to sight read it, which usually I wouldn't mind, but I was ill and it was a particularly hard hymn. As I played along I asked the organ scholar to = find something easy for me to play in my Old English book, which he luckily = found and I grudgingly played between curses for my teacher!!!   Anyway - glad that's over!!!   Richard.    
(back) Subject: Re: church musician as servant From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:27:56 +0100   We are all very fallible human beings.   My experience of the Church, however, is that when a CLERGYMAN displays his humanity by committing some misdeed - even quite a serious misdeed - the Church does all it can to "cover it up". Only when media / newspapers / TV get involved, does the Church start imposing discipline.   Let a layperson drop a "lifestyle clanger", however, - particularly, it seems to me, if the "offender" is a Church Musician of the traditional school - and the wrath of the Clergy and Church Council comes crashing down, even in the case of comparatively minor matters (such as politely but firmly telling the Churchwarden that "I'm not doing THAT").   A parable about adultery and stone-throwing comes immediately to mind, together with another about people with logs in their eyes.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 04:23 Subject: Re: church musician as servant     >In a message dated 6/14/99 12:56:04 AM Central Daylight Time, >budchris@earthlink.net writes: > ><< But I'M called upon to be a saint, and I'm not. No way no how. Rattle = my > cage TOO much, and I'll swear like a sailor, for starters. Keep it up, > and I'll walk. >> > >You go BUD! I can empathize with you (from previous church positions) = and >can say that in my current position everyone thinks I'm a SAINT (I got >stopped so many times yesterday to receive accolades I never thought I'd get >to the parking lot!), ... hmmmm, how little they know, he he he. :-) > >John > > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Few! From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT)   After reading your description of playing a service whilst ill, I would suggest changing the spelling of your subject header to "Phew!" Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: church musician as servant From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:48:58 +0100   >I cannot, however, see why he is NECESSARILY a leader.     You play hymns don't you? Then you are leading the congregation (& choir), let them try doing it without you leading them, or even worse let them = lead you and you will probably grind to a halt half way through the 2nd verse!!   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:01:28 +0100   Great   8 Open Diapason 8 Stopped Diapason 4 Principal 2 Fifteenth iv Mixture (19 / 22 / 26 / 29 breaking three times to 8 / 12 / 15 / 19)   Swell   16 Lieblich Bourdon (Tenor C) 8 Principal 4 Octave 2 Gemshorn ii Sesquialtera (12 / 17 unbroken) 8 Cornopean (it's a "little Trumpet", actually; not over loud, but bright)   Pedal   16 Lieblich Bourdon (separate from Swell and a little louder) 8 Principal 4 Octave 16 Contra Fagotto   Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal Swell to Great Mechanical Action throughout no registration aids.   There you go, Bruce.   Mark. -----Original Message----- From: bruce cornely <rohrschok8@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 04:46 Subject: Re: Re: Hauptwerk, Floetenwerk     > At the tiny, exquisitely beautiful and historic > Church of St. Giles, Packwood, in rural > Warwickshire in the English Midlands, there is > a small tracker organ of no particular pedigree > but, in my opinion, an instrument without > peer. The Specification is:-   >Great 8,8,4,2, Mixture (iv) >Swell 16 (TC) 8, 4, 2, Sesquialtera (ii); 8 Pedal > 16,8,4; 16 usual three couplers.   Surely there's more on the knobs than that!! Can thou be'st more specific. Thanque!     Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: church musician as servant From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:03:31 +0100   Yes, of course, in that sense you are right (although I am quite certain our Choir could sing hymns without the benefit of me, or anyone else, "leading" them with an Organ, especially if one of the several people capable of so doing were to conduct)   I would, however, still maintain that the matter of leadership as in person-leadership / team leadership varies from Parish to Parish. In my own Parish I am expected to be the "captain" of a team (the Choir and my Assistant Organists). I know of other Parishes, however, where the PCC do not want a "Director of Music", because they themselves - or the Priest - wishes to do the "directing". They just want a functional Organist to play what (s)he is told to play.   Whilst my experience teaches me that the Organist-led team tends to work better, in pragmatic terms, than the Parish-led team, nevertheless, as a democrat, I must agree that it is for each Parish to decide how they want to order these affairs.   Mark Checkley. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pinel <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 06:52 Subject: Re: church musician as servant     >>I cannot, however, see why he is NECESSARILY a leader. > > >You play hymns don't you? Then you are leading the congregation (& = choir), >let them try doing it without you leading them, or even worse let them = lead >you and you will probably grind to a halt half way through the 2nd = verse!! > >Richard > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: musician as servent From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:07:57 -0500   +AD4APgA+- Let a layperson drop a +ACI-lifestyle clanger+ACI-, however... = +ADwAPAA8ADw- snip.   What difference should it make what ANY person does on their own time, or = in their own bedroom. It only makes gossip fodder for someone elses' empty life.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net