PipeChat Digest #927 - Thursday, June 17, 1999
 
beer can organ pipes  From: "
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Hyfrydol
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Fw: beer can organ pipes  From: "
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Hyfrydol
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Hyfrydol
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Hyfrydol
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Re: Hyfrydol
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Fw: beer can organ pipes  From: "Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999  06:39:08 -05
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by <George.Greene@RossNutrition.com>
Nicea
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Re: Nicea
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Nicea
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM>
Drinking and driving the organ
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Nicea
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Nicea
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Drinking and driving the organ
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
hymn repertoire
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fw: beer can organ pipes  From:	"Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:39:08 -050
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Nicea
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
 


(back) Subject: beer can organ pipesFrom: " From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:28:05 EDT   Perhaps the names say it all; perhaps the sound quality, timbre, etc., is different for each brand?!?!?   Stan Krider   VEAGUErecently wrote: >I have no idea. What sound comes from Papst, Bud, Becks, Rolling Rock, = etc, besides the usual backfire?    
(back) Subject: Re: Hyfrydol From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:28:17 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/99 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << Episcopalians would sing it every Sunday if they could get away with it.   As would most other congregations in all probability.       At St. Matthew's, they can't (grin). >>   And THAT is indeed a very sad state of affairs. People know Hyfrydol and = it is ONE of the hymns that people really CAN sing these days, especially in = the wake of all the "fine" hymnody that has come about in the past twenty or thirty years- esiecially in the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps sticking = to the traditional familiar hymns LONG ENOUGH (like for an entire generation = or two) would enable congregations to actually build a repertoire of music = they can sing robustly and assertively instead of learning a new batch or contemporary, gimmicky "feel good" music every time some composer gets a = whim and writes down some of the "new stuff" that seems to be plaguing churches = of all denomonations these days.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw:_beer_can_organ_pipes=7F=7FFrom:_=22?= From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:39:08 -0500   German beer could perhaps have a heavy, robust tone, and Lite beer could have a skinny string tone?   Rick   -----Original Message----- From: KriderSM@aol.com <KriderSM@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:31 AM Subject: beer can organ pipesFrom: "     >Perhaps the names say it all; perhaps the sound quality, timbre, etc., is >different for each brand?!?!? > >Stan Krider > >VEAGUErecently wrote: >>I have no idea. What sound comes from Papst, Bud, Becks, Rolling Rock, etc, >besides the usual backfire? > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: Hyfrydol From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:42:32 -0500   Never heard of this hymn -will check it out. One of my faves is ' Bringing In The Sheep '. The last, unpublished verse is unprintable AND unsuitable for Sunday mornings.   Rick   -----Original Message----- From: ScottFop@aol.com <ScottFop@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Hyfrydol     >In a message dated 6/17/99 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >budchris@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Episcopalians > would sing it every Sunday if they could get away with it. > >As would most other congregations in all probability. > > > >At St. Matthew's, they can't (grin). > >> > >And THAT is indeed a very sad state of affairs. People know Hyfrydol and it >is ONE of the hymns that people really CAN sing these days, especially in the >wake of all the "fine" hymnody that has come about in the past twenty or >thirty years- esiecially in the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps sticking = to >the traditional familiar hymns LONG ENOUGH (like for an entire generation or >two) would enable congregations to actually build a repertoire of music they >can sing robustly and assertively instead of learning a new batch or >contemporary, gimmicky "feel good" music every time some composer gets a whim >and writes down some of the "new stuff" that seems to be plaguing = churches of >all denomonations these days. > >Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination >National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Hyfrydol From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:31:20 +0100   Oh dear. What other fine stuff have you time-capsuled?   tut.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 05:59 Subject: Hyfrydol     >I have consigned Hyfrydol to that stack of stuff that needs to go into a >time capsule and be forgotten for a generation, along with Bach's >Toccata and Fugue in d minor and the Widor Toccata. > >We sing it ONCE a year, on the Sunday After Ascension. Episcopalians >would sing it every Sunday if they could get away with it. At St. >Matthew's, they can't (grin). > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Hyfrydol From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:47:28 -0400       I thought that Hyfrydol crossed all denominational boundaries. I can't = imagine a mainstream hymnal not having it. Maybe some of the happy-clappy = loose-leaf disposable song books wouldn't. Of course, like anything else, it can be overused. But would we say don't sing a great hymn tune from a rich = tradition simply because some folks have overused it? I think not. Poor = Beethoven's 5th gets used in everything from commercials (the worst offenders) to movies = to you-name-it. Should we put it aside for a generation and deprive folks of hearing the real symphony in concert for the first time? I think not.      
(back) Subject: Re: Hyfrydol From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:39:50 +0100   I am convinced that the generally poor standard of Congregational singing in many Churches is brought about by the inclusion - for whatever well-meaning or nefarious reasons - of FAR TOO MUCH NEW MATERIAL. Whatever style of music is used, there is a very strict limit to the amount of music a Congregation can hold in repertoire, and the amount of new music they can take on board.   Of course we do need continually to be considering a STRICTLY LIMITED amount of new music (perhaps three or four items PER YEAR is about right for the average congregation), but the bulk of the material needs to remain the same, not only year-on- year, but generation-on-generation.   This is a purely pragmatic, practical necessity if congregations are successfully to join in with those aspects of the worship which rightly belong to them.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: ScottFop@aol.com <ScottFop@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:31 Subject: Re: Hyfrydol     >In a message dated 6/17/99 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >budchris@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Episcopalians > would sing it every Sunday if they could get away with it. > >As would most other congregations in all probability. > > > >At St. Matthew's, they can't (grin). > >> > >And THAT is indeed a very sad state of affairs. People know Hyfrydol and it >is ONE of the hymns that people really CAN sing these days, especially in the >wake of all the "fine" hymnody that has come about in the past twenty or >thirty years- esiecially in the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps sticking = to >the traditional familiar hymns LONG ENOUGH (like for an entire generation or >two) would enable congregations to actually build a repertoire of music they >can sing robustly and assertively instead of learning a new batch or >contemporary, gimmicky "feel good" music every time some composer gets a whim >and writes down some of the "new stuff" that seems to be plaguing = churches of >all denomonations these days. > >Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination >National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:29:47 -0400   Fifty years ago I knew of Lutheran congregations in the Pacific Northwest that sang it as the unvarying processional EVERY Sunday. It's decent enough, but NOTHING is good enough for THAT!   Alan   >From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns >Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999, 9:13 PM   > Nicea (Holy, Holy, Holy). I once played for a church > that sang it every three months.  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: beer can organ pipesFrom: "Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:39:08 -0500 From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:42:32 -0500 (CDT)   At 11:47 AM 12/30/98, you wrote:   >German beer could perhaps have a heavy, robust tone, and Lite beer could >have a skinny string tone? > I would like mine to have plenty of Bass ...   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: George.Greene@RossNutrition.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:10:50 -0400     "I Will Enter His Gates (He Has Made Me Glad)" and "We Bring the Sacrifice = of Praise", each sung at least twenty times, accompanied by organ, piano (or keyboard), and geee-tar. Six-hundred-plus hymns in the Nazarene hymnal, = and we wind up using this garbage every week. Pastor loves 'em. Apparently the seminary does not make ANY attempt to instill ANY sort of musical taste or awareness in their product these days!    
(back) Subject: Nicea From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:19:03 -0400       I was at a Lutheran Church in Brookklyn, NY for several years and one of = the choir members was reminiscing about the good old days when they used to = sing "Holy, Holy, Holy" every Sunday for the Professional hymn. Ye gads! One wonders if that also included Easter, Christmas and other holidays. I = didn't ask since I didn't want to know.      
(back) Subject: Re: Nicea From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:45:14 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/99 9:22:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM writes:   << I was at a Lutheran Church in Brookklyn, NY for several years and one = of the choir members was reminiscing about the good old days when they used to = sing "Holy, Holy, Holy" every Sunday for the Professional hymn. Ye gads! >>   Hell, that's nothing. You should have heard the Amateur hymn!!   Anonymous  
(back) Subject: Re: Nicea From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:52:16 -0400       What's the Amateur hymn? Of course I meant Processional not Professional. Freudian slip on my part?         ManderUSA@aol.com on 06/17/99 09:45:14 AM   Please respond to "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   To: pipechat@pipechat.org cc: (bcc: WAYNE BURCHAM/NYOM/ROYAL-SSD) Subject: Re: Nicea         In a message dated 6/17/99 9:22:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM writes:   << I was at a Lutheran Church in Brookklyn, NY for several years and one = of the choir members was reminiscing about the good old days when they used to = sing "Holy, Holy, Holy" every Sunday for the Professional hymn. Ye gads! >>   Hell, that's nothing. You should have heard the Amateur hymn!!   Anonymous   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org                
(back) Subject: Drinking and driving the organ From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:15:00 -0700   On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:03:57 -0700, Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> wrote:   > It would be a fun party item if there were a few stops that had the beer =   > names on them and spouts from a few of the pipes (additional ones added = for > the purpose) ... someone could play a few notes and serve beer to = guests!   Actually, one instrument we did, as a spoof, we put on an extraneous coupler called: "BOURBON TO ORGANIST 8'"   One day, I think I'll take an old drink dispenser from a 'fridge apart and install it inside the console to dispense both H20 and ice!   Actually, that might be a very PRACTICAL idea!   Faithfully,   "Arp" in the Corn Patch, where it's cooler than usual for this time of year.   Rich Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)    
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:26:43 +0100   I would be very surprised if three whole months went by without us singing this excellent Hymn.   I keep a "core repertoire" of not more than twenty "rousing" traditional hymns, suitable for general Eucharistic congregational use, each of which comes round about every two months.   Examples:-   Praise, my soul, the King of Heaven Angel voices ever singing Come let us join our cheerful songs All hail the power of Jesus' name Alleluia, sing to Jesus Love Divine, all loves excelling   and suchlike and so forth.   The remainder of the hymnody comes around less frequently, as it will be specific to the season. Even so, it's much the same from one year to the next.   The result of this is a very good standard of Congregational singing, as the great majority of the material is known to all present.   We then introduce perhaps two or three totally new items - sometimes traditional, sometimes contemporary - each year. These are usually tolerantly received; I am sure because they are the exception rather than the rule.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 01:27 Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns     >Fifty years ago I knew of Lutheran congregations in the Pacific Northwest =   >that sang it as the unvarying processional EVERY Sunday. It's decent >enough, but NOTHING is good enough for THAT! > >Alan > >>From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) >>To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns >>Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999, 9:13 PM > >> Nicea (Holy, Holy, Holy). I once played for a church >> that sang it every three months. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Nicea From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:48:28 +0100   In my previous Parish, where I was for 10 years, we ALWAYS used to sing "Wherefore, O Father, we thy humble servants" - Choir and Congregation - as the first Communion Hymn i.e. immediately after the anthem.   It worked well. Certainly everyone knew it !!   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: ManderUSA@aol.com <ManderUSA@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 02:46 Subject: Re: Nicea     >In a message dated 6/17/99 9:22:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM writes: > ><< I was at a Lutheran Church in Brookklyn, NY for several years and one = of >the > choir members was reminiscing about the good old days when they used to sing > "Holy, Holy, Holy" every Sunday for the Professional hymn. Ye gads! >> > >Hell, that's nothing. You should have heard the Amateur hymn!! > >Anonymous > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:58:48 -0700     > Praise, my soul, the King of Heaven > Angel voices ever singing > Come let us join our cheerful songs > All hail the power of Jesus' name > Alleluia, sing to Jesus > Love Divine, all loves excelling >   That's a great one, how about SINE NOMINE ... very upbeat, joyous sounding .... lots of pedal action. I have played it in several churches, but one = in particular the pedalboard was in view of the congregation and someone came up afterwards and commented on the pedal activity.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Nicea From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:39:54 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/99 8:22:05 AM Central Daylight Time, WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM writes:   << they used to sing "Holy, Holy, Holy" every Sunday for the Professional hymn. >>   Hmmm, did they have an Un-Professional Hymn too? LOL!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Drinking and driving the organ From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:42:08 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/99 9:21:20 AM Central Daylight Time, arpncorn@davesworld.net writes:   << Actually, one instrument we did, as a spoof, we put on an extraneous coupler called: "BOURBON TO ORGANIST 8'" >>   Now THAT'S my type of coupler!!!   John  
(back) Subject: hymn repertoire From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:48:07 -0700       ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 6/17/99 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > budchris@earthlink.net writes: > > << Episcopalians > would sing it every Sunday if they could get away with it. > > As would most other congregations in all probability. > > At St. Matthew's, they can't (grin). > >> > > And THAT is indeed a very sad state of affairs. People know Hyfrydol = and it > is ONE of the hymns that people really CAN sing these days, especially = in the > wake of all the "fine" hymnody that has come about in the past twenty or > thirty years- esiecially in the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps sticking = to > the traditional familiar hymns LONG ENOUGH (like for an entire = generation or > two) would enable congregations to actually build a repertoire of music = they > can sing robustly and assertively instead of learning a new batch or > contemporary, gimmicky "feel good" music every time some composer gets a = whim > and writes down some of the "new stuff" that seems to be plaguing = churches of > all denomonations these days. > > Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination > National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI >   Scott, we're in a TOTALLY different situation at St. Matthew's than in a = Roman Catholic church. The Hymnal (1940) has been in the hands of Anglican congregations since shortly after WWII ... printing was delayed by paper rationing, but the book circulated in manuscript ... organists played the = "new" tunes and congregations sang the old words out of the 1916 Hymnal ... so = we've HAD almost 60 years with the same book to build a repertoire. And = congregations KNOW that ... there was as much of a dust-up about changing the HYMNAL = (which Anglican Catholic churches DIDN'T do) as there was about changing the = Prayer Book (we didn't do that either ... grin).   St. Matthew's repertoire IS light on Gregorian hymns ... they know = "Creator of the Stars of Night" (Conditor alme siderum), "O Come, O Come Emmanuel" = (Veni Emmanuel), "Of the Father's Love Begotten" (Divinum mysterium), "The = Royal Banners Forward Go" (Vexilla regis), "Christians, To the Paschal Victim" (Victimae paschali), "Come, Thou Holy Spirit, Come" (Veni Sancte = Spiritus), "Now, My Tongue, the Mystery Telling" (Pange lingua), "O Splendor of God's Glory Bright" (Splendor Paternae gloriae) and "To Thee Before the Close of Day" = (Te lucis ante terminum ... ferial melody), and that's about it ... but that's = pretty typical for a high-church Anglican congregation.   The SEMINARIANS know (or are learning) most of the other major Office = Hymns ... I suppose that will filter down eventually.   They know most of the typical Anglican seasonal hymns, and a few that = AREN'T typical ... not many congregations sang "Babylon's Streams" or "Lew = Trenchard" when I was growing up, at least not in the South.   As to general hymns, they probably know 200 out of the 300 or so in the = book ... nothing particularly remarkable in that repertoire ... they DO sing "St. Patrick's Breastplate" with great gusto, but that has been sung at = ordinations and consecrations since time immemorial.   My hymnal just fell open to one of their favorites, "Remember all the = People" (Far Off Lands), that jingoistic old missionary hymn where the "apes swing = to and fro" ... #262 ... check it out (grin). We seldom sing it, except in Sunday = School or Vacation Bible School, but it's fun and the kids love to make the = motions.   And I would get SCALPED if I didn't include "I Sing A Song of the Saints = of God" (Grand Isle) on All Saints' Day ... "you can meet them in school, or in = lanes, or at sea, In church, or in trains, or in shops or at tea, For the saints of = God are just folk like me, and I mean to be one too" ... VEDDY "there are faeries = in the bottom of the garden, Maude", but quintessentially Anglican too.   They are rediscovering the Victorian repertoire, which gives E.Y.R. hives = right up until the point that everybody comes out of High Mass and thanks him = for picking their favorite hymns (I let him take the credit ... grin).   The first time we sang "O 'Twas A Joyful Sound To Hear" (Mount Sion ... = Horatio Parker, 1886), the choir could barely keep a straight face, but the = congregation LOVED it ... ditto "O Heavenly Jerusalem" to All Hallows (George Martin, = 1892) and "For Thee, O Dear, Dear Country" to Ely Cathedral (T.T. Noble, 1895 = ... the Nashotah House hymn). And "Come, Labor On" (Ora labora ... T.T. Noble, = 1918) is a fixture on Rogation Sunday and the Sunday nearest Labor Day.   There's a curious Anglican custom of singing all of what we call the = "Fight Songs" (the early 500s in the Hymnal) during Pre-Lent (yes, we still keep Pre-Lent) ... "The Song of God Goes Forth to War" (All Saints New), = "Christian, Dost Thou See Them" (Sohren), "Onward, Christian Soldiers" (St. Gertrude), = "He Who Would Valiant Be" (St. Dunstan's), and my absolute favorite, "Wave the Breast, Christian" (Fortitude), oops, er, ah, that's "Breast the Wave, Christian", etc. ... I suppose it has something to do with preparing to = fight the devil during Lent.   We DO face a critical shortage of hymns for Lent, Easter, Communion and = Saints' Days ... that's an historical thing ... when the 1940 came out, I'd = estimate that no more than 30% of American Episcopal churches had the Eucharist as the principal sung Sunday service ... it was Morning Prayer three Sundays out = of four, with "Holy Communion" on "St. Primus' Day" (the first Sunday of the = month). And few kept the Prayer Book Holy Days with sung services. So we sing a = LOT of the old subjective "Jesus and me" Evangelical hymns for communion, = particularly during green seasons, just to avoid ringing the changes on what few = communion hymns there ARE in the 1940. Some congregational favorites are: "Come, Ye Disconsolate" (Consolation), "O Love That Wilt Not Let Me Go" (St. = Margaret), "I Need Thee Ev'ry Hour" (Need), "Dear Lord and Father of Mankind" (Rest), = "Lead, Kindly Light" (Lux benigna) ... you have to be a certain age to know the = rhythm of THAT one (grin), etc.   So ... I'm not depriving them of anything by only letting them sing = "Hyfrydol" once a year ... well, MAYBE twice ... I think we sang it on the Sunday = Within the Octave of Corpus Christi as well this year. We run the gamut from = Gregorian hymns to Vaughn Williams. There is NOTHING that I'd call "contemporary Christian = music" in the 1940, nor are we likely to ever introduce any, at least not at the = High Mass ... I'm all for having a Sunday evening "Praise Service" for the = young people.   I don't push real hard for them to learn new hymns ... maybe once or twice = a year we'll have a "Hymn of the Month" and sing it four times ... I taught them = the Gallican chant to Tantum ergo that way, and "O Brother Man" (Intercessor, = C.H.H. Parry, 1904). But there really aren't many of the useful hymns in the 1940 = that they DON'T know.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: beer can organ pipesFrom: "Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:39:08 -0500 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:53:12 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/99 7:44:10 AM Central Daylight Time, jlspeller@stlnet.com writes:   << I would like mine to have plenty of Bass ... >> ROFLMAO.... Good one! (a decent ale too!)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Nicea From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:52:34 -0400       DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/17/99 8:22:05 AM Central Daylight Time, > WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM writes: > > << they used to sing > "Holy, Holy, Holy" every Sunday for the Professional hymn. >> > > Hmmm, did they have an Un-Professional Hymn too? LOL! >   Yes they did. But they saved it for the "Amateur Night" guest organist.   Stan :-)