PipeChat Digest #934 - Friday, June 18, 1999
 
Re: hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Policy for weddings in local church
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by <douglas@blackiris.com>
Re: Hyfrydol
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by "John Winn" <john@jwinn.demon.co.uk>
Re: hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Hyfrydol
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
opus numbers
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:33:19 +0100   Absolutely.   I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said.   This is exactly what I have been saying in my postings.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: CHERCAPA@aol.com <CHERCAPA@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 09:37 Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc.     >Dear Mark, To insist that organists have x number of years in = professional >schools of music, and be qualified to play recital music to be church >organists would eliminate most opportunites for the young to study organ. To >study organ is not just limited to what is taught by others with degrees but >what can be learned by ones self at the console. I am not saying that = one >will not play better or cannot improve their playing with formal = training. >Nor do I say that some organists should be placed in positions where the >demands of the music, congregation could be far beyond their expertise. >People rise according to their talents. I have heard some who have not risen >to the talents of a small chapel. I know that I would be embarrassed to = be >known for the quality of music in that church. In that case, I stay away from >those services. I also feel that the congregation picks the musician. = If >they are satisfied and they are paying the bill, then no problem exists. = I >know that when I began to play in a church, for use of the pipe organ to >practice, I knew two hymns but I can now play some recital music and = went on >to study organ for four years. I do not come up to the level of many >organists that I know of but I play only for an occasional wedding. I = also >accept that there will always be others better than I both in the guild = and >without. Most organists I know also accept that fact and will say in >confidence that they wish"they could play like that". In either = competence or >style or phrasing or just plain interpretation. Unless you can say that = you >have learned everything, I believe that few don't think that they can do >better. God help the man who doesn't Paul > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Policy for weddings in local church From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:41:12 +0100   I agree with Jim.   I also agree with Keith.   It is the CHURCH that "ministers".   In order to carry out that ministry, the CHURCH may need to "hire in" certain skills or equipment that it does not have "in house".   That is all perfectly legitimate.   Mark Checkley.   PS. In the Church of England, it is not permitted for an EMPLOYEE of the Church to sit on the Parochial Church Council. Thus Organists / Musicians who are PAID for what they do, are regarded - respectfully - as "hired hands" and are not permitted to hold a seat on the governing body which manages Parish affairs.   Members of the Congregation who just HAPPEN to have musical skills and make those skills available to the Church for free are, contrariwise, eligible to sit on the PCC.   This makes eminent good sense.   To the Bidding "the labourer is worthy of his hire" let us all respond "do you want to be a family member or a hired labourer". <grin>   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message-----       >From: "Jim Rutherford" <pastor@swcf.org> > >Keith - > >I don't think it is wrong for anyone to charge even if they are full time >and work only for the church. It's up to the individual to make that >decision. > >I was just questioning calling it a ministry - when you wouldn't do it >unless you got paid to do it. > >Paul in Corinth chose not to ask the Christians there to support him - = but >he defended his right to be supported just as Peter and the rest of those >preaching the gospel were supported - it is a Biblical principle. > >It just struck me as odd to refer to something you were doing only = because >you were paid to do it as ministry. > >Most of the time when I perform a wedding I am given something - I don't >return it or refuse it - but I have just decided - for me - that I will make >it clear that they do not owe me anything and that I do not charge >anything - because it is a ministry for me. > >I also always buy a Bible for the couple (out of my pocket) and have Mr. = & >Mrs. whoever? embossed on the front - especially if they are not members = of >the church - and give it to them at the end of the service with an >encouragement to base their marriage on God's Word. > >Again, that's just my choice - I don't expect anyone to do the same - that's >just what I do because I feel it makes a difference and allows me to = truly >minister to people. > >Jim Rutherford <{{{>< >Pastor, SouthWest Christian Fellowship >Tulsa, OK www.swcf.org > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <JWilke3832@aol.com> >>> >> Jim, (and list) >> I'm not disagreeing with you - just curious. Would your opinion be the >same >> for an organist that is employed on a part time basis at a church as it is >> for a full time organist? >> It seems to me "part time" organists (you know the definition: full time >> work, part time pay! Just kidding!) would best describe the working >> arrangement of most church organists. >> >> Just curious, >> >> Keith Wilkerson >> First Baptist Church Liberty City > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Last chance to earn $5000 for your charity of choice! >http://www.onelist.com >Deadline for "GROW TO GIVE" is June 19. See homepage for details. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >*********************************************************************** >THANK YOU FOR USING CHURCH-MUSIC-DISCUSS A SERVICE OF TCMR = COMMUNICATIONS, INC. >*********************************************************************** > Visit our web site at http://www.tcmr.com >*********************************************************************** >To unsubscribe send a blank e-mail to: >church-music-discuss-unsubscribe@onelist.com >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: douglas@blackiris.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:25:06 -0500   TLC (The Learning Channel) will be broadcasting a special tonight, June 18th at 10pm & 1am ET "Edward & Sophie - A Royal Love Story"   Coverage of the wedding is supposed to follow tomorrow, June 19 at 11am - 1:30pm ET "Live from St. Georges Chapel"   A distillation with highlights & delightful commentary will occur June = 19th at 9pm & Midnight ET   .... All of this on TLC as best I can deduce from their website. All times =   listed ET, please reduce the hours as required for your particular time = zone.   > I believe it's June 19th, no? And it's to be a "smallish" affair. > I've heard that MSNBC will cover it, not in entirety, but will show > snippets of it. --Neil     - Douglas McMurry <douglas@blackiris.com>   "Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open"  
(back) Subject: Re: Hyfrydol From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:36:57 -0500       Randolph Runyon wrote, in part :   > <snip>... I think the real reason they have come is not to worship, or = to > praise God, > but to partake of the eucharist.   I suspect that there may be a significant number of Christians for whom = worship and partaking of the Eucharist are so closely intertwined that it is undesireable to have one without the other.    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:01:58 -0400   Well, Mark, I'm surprised; but it could be. I understand the folks at St. Thomas in Leipzig felt the same way in the 1740s, so they stand in an honorable tradition, albeit one respecting which I'm on the other side. = But that's OK. Our organist does all kinds of wild things during our = hymns--the kind of things that would obviously drive your folks nuts!   But (though there may be exceptions that I don't know about) we LOVE it! It's kind of a challenge to come down on the same final chord at the same time with him. And I can tell you that the huge majority of "big-name" church organists in America do very much the same kind of thing. If you = are an Anglican you'll know the names of St. John the Divine and St. Thomas in New York, where such improvisatory activity as VERY MUCH a part of Sunday morning, and Gerre Hancock, organist at the latter parish is HUGELY in demand to teach these skills at organist workshops all over the country. = In Lutheran circles, Charles Ore and Paul Manz are famous for doing this; in Presbyterianism, there's John Sherer in Chicago and several others here in New York. The list could go on and on!   Alan   ---------- >From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. >Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 2:32 PM >   > I have to say, Alan, that my Choir and Congregation object > MOST STRONGLY to ANY last verse reharmonisation > of hymns, beit extemporary or pre-composed, and be it played > by me, or by visiting Organists of greater skill. > > I have found this practice to be MOST UNPOPULAR, almost > everywhere I have been.  
(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: "John Winn" <john@jwinn.demon.co.uk> Date: 18 Jun 99 22:25:08 +0200   > I believe that a week from this Saturday there will be a royal wedding = at St. > George's Chapel, Windsor. Will it be broadcast, televised? Does = anyone > know the music planned or any websites giving info? > Jerry in Seattle > I'm sorry Jerry but there aren't any details in "Radio Times" which normally details all our TV and Radio broadcasts in the UK, so I can't tell you.   John   -- John Winn   Upminster, England  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:09:28 -0400   Mark, for Pete's sake, relax! Seriously! We can all talk nice.   Alan   >From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. >Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 3:54 PM   > Robert, I am FAR FAR MORE CONCERNED with meeting > the musical needs of our very ordinary church, than I am with being > some sort of "ambassador" for the Organ. I hate to be sanctimonious, > because Anglicans aren't, but if I am any sort of ambassador, I am > an ambassador, firstly, for the gospel.  
(back) Subject: Re: Hyfrydol From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:05:58 +0100   There is, and always has been in my lifetime, a strong feeling amongst many practising Roman Catholics that:-   A. One MUST, without fail, GO TO MASS.   B. One need NOT do anything else, other than "be there".   This leads to a significant percentage of Roman Catholics who do precisely these things. Both of them.   Mark Checkley.     -----Original Message----- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:44 Subject: Re: Hyfrydol     > > >Randolph Runyon wrote, in part : > >> <snip>... I think the real reason they have come is not to worship, or = to >> praise God, >> but to partake of the eucharist. > >I suspect that there may be a significant number of Christians for whom worship >and partaking of the Eucharist are so closely intertwined that it is >undesireable to have one without the other. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:13:53 +0100   I am totally relaxed.   If you knew me, you would realise that it is almost unheard-of for me to get hot under the collar.   This guy is a stuck-up prig.   Mark Checkley. <grin>       -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:08 Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc.     >Mark, for Pete's sake, relax! Seriously! We can all talk nice. > >Alan > >>From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >>To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. >>Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 3:54 PM > >> Robert, I am FAR FAR MORE CONCERNED with meeting >> the musical needs of our very ordinary church, than I am with being >> some sort of "ambassador" for the Organ. I hate to be sanctimonious, >> because Anglicans aren't, but if I am any sort of ambassador, I am >> an ambassador, firstly, for the gospel. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:12:17 +0100   Oh yes.   Absolutely.   I, that is me, personally, am all in favour.   BUT:_   A. My Congregation hates it.   B. Every Congregation of which I have ever been a member, including those where they have had very good organists indeed, has always - at the very least - expressed a strong preference that THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.   C. My previous Parish Priest (now, as then, a dear friend whom I dearly love and greatly respect) actually FORBADE me, and my various Assistants / colleagues, to reharmonise last verses. And he seldom, if ever, "interfered" with the music.     Kind regards, MOC.     -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:00 Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.     >Well, Mark, I'm surprised; but it could be. I understand the folks at = St. >Thomas in Leipzig felt the same way in the 1740s, so they stand in an >honorable tradition, albeit one respecting which I'm on the other side. But >that's OK. Our organist does all kinds of wild things during our hymns--the >kind of things that would obviously drive your folks nuts! > >But (though there may be exceptions that I don't know about) we LOVE it! >It's kind of a challenge to come down on the same final chord at the same >time with him. And I can tell you that the huge majority of "big-name" >church organists in America do very much the same kind of thing. If you are >an Anglican you'll know the names of St. John the Divine and St. Thomas = in >New York, where such improvisatory activity as VERY MUCH a part of Sunday >morning, and Gerre Hancock, organist at the latter parish is HUGELY in >demand to teach these skills at organist workshops all over the country. In >Lutheran circles, Charles Ore and Paul Manz are famous for doing this; in >Presbyterianism, there's John Sherer in Chicago and several others here = in >New York. The list could go on and on! > >Alan > >---------- >>From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >>To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. >>Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 2:32 PM >> > >> I have to say, Alan, that my Choir and Congregation object >> MOST STRONGLY to ANY last verse reharmonisation >> of hymns, beit extemporary or pre-composed, and be it played >> by me, or by visiting Organists of greater skill. >> >> I have found this practice to be MOST UNPOPULAR, almost >> everywhere I have been. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:26:57 -0500   Rod Murrow wrote, in part:   > Mark Checkley wrote: > > The happy-clappy camp, in my opinion, don't really understand the = concept of > worship - I think it's a mark of our "feel-good" and "instant = gratification" > society. There needs to be constant education about what is and is not > appropriate for worship. I can't abide the "Be-bop-a-Jesus" hoopla. To = me, > it's a complete mockery of worship.   This sounds just a bit judgemental for my taste. One of the keystones of = the Reformation was that worship should be in the "language" of the people, a = point to which most would probably agree. I submit that there is a "language-componenent" to music, as well--that is to say that in any = culture, music posesses certain compositional customs (grammar) and contextual = meanings (syntax) which are significant to that culture, and this "language = component" has to be consistent with the understandings of the worshippers. As an = example of this, I would suggest that most people cannot listen to several of the plainsong psalm tones and determine why one text is usually paired with particular tones. For myself, I cannot find in "Heavy Metal" Rock and = Roll anything which evokes in me the ideas of "transcendance" or "joy". But I = do not thereby assert that there are not some for whom this is possible.   If the "happy clappy:" crowd can't find satisfactory expression in = traditional worship stylings, because it does not speak their language on all levels, = well, their worship style doesn't speak my language on all levels, either.   So maybe we need to add some new verses to the "Benedicite, omnes opera"    
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:33:01 +0100   With respect, you are attributing to me a quotation that was, in fact, posted by someone in reply to something I posted.   I agree with your comment that this statement is overly judgmental. I DID NOT MAKE IT.   MORE verses to the Benedicite !! Lord, deliver us !!!   Mark Checkley.     -----Original Message----- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:33 Subject: Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy     >Rod Murrow wrote, in part: > >> Mark Checkley wrote: >> >> The happy-clappy camp, in my opinion, don't really understand the = concept of >> worship - I think it's a mark of our "feel-good" and "instant gratification" >> society. There needs to be constant education about what is and is not >> appropriate for worship. I can't abide the "Be-bop-a-Jesus" hoopla. To me, >> it's a complete mockery of worship. > >This sounds just a bit judgemental for my taste. One of the keystones of the >Reformation was that worship should be in the "language" of the people, a point >to which most would probably agree. I submit that there is a >"language-componenent" to music, as well--that is to say that in any culture, >music posesses certain compositional customs (grammar) and contextual meanings >(syntax) which are significant to that culture, and this "language component" >has to be consistent with the understandings of the worshippers. As an example >of this, I would suggest that most people cannot listen to several of the >plainsong psalm tones and determine why one text is usually paired with >particular tones. For myself, I cannot find in "Heavy Metal" Rock and = Roll >anything which evokes in me the ideas of "transcendance" or "joy". But = I do >not thereby assert that there are not some for whom this is possible. > >If the "happy clappy:" crowd can't find satisfactory expression in traditional >worship stylings, because it does not speak their language on all levels, well, >their worship style doesn't speak my language on all levels, either. > >So maybe we need to add some new verses to the "Benedicite, omnes opera" > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: opus numbers From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:45:07 EDT   I posted this on Organchat yesterday and received no responses. Let's see = if anyone on this list can shed some light. Are there opus numbers to any of Yon's organ works, and "Zephyrs" by Dupr=E9? Since the latter is an improvisation, there's probably no opus number to it, but it's worth = asking. Thanks.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:39:18 -0500   Does the parable of the widow's mite not apply here? Each person who = offers his/her service to Divine Worship in leading music comes under the cover = of this parable. The offerings of the amateur part time musician working to the = limits of his/her ability, or by the Grace of God, beyond them, may be more = pleasing to the ear than the "half hearted" efforts of the professional who can to a technically superior job in all aspects covered by the job description = while half asleep.      
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:50:13 PST       That's a shame. My particular congregation have come to expect a variety of organ treatments in hymns. In fact, my choir has become good enough to =   know within a few beat of each verse when to sing harmony and when to sing =   in unison. I have no doubt that my parish would be quite upset if every verse had the same harmonic structure.   This is consistent with all other churches I've served. (Of course, there =   have been OTHER challenges . . .). Sorry to hear about this restriction, Mark, it certainly limits the opportunities for insightful hymn accompaniments.   Mark       > BUT:_ > > A. My Congregation hates it. > > B. Every Congregation of which I have ever been a member, > including those where they have had very good organists indeed, > has always - at the very least - expressed a strong preference that > THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. > > C. My previous Parish Priest (now, as then, a dear friend whom I > dearly love and greatly respect) actually FORBADE me, and my various > Assistants / colleagues, to reharmonise last verses. And he seldom, if > ever, "interfered" with the music. > > > Kind regards, > MOC.       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. --- Abraham Maslow    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:53:08 +0100   Well, precisely.   Mark Checkley.     -----Original Message----- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:46 Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.     >Does the parable of the widow's mite not apply here? Each person who offers >his/her service to Divine Worship in leading music comes under the cover = of this >parable. The offerings of the amateur part time musician working to the limits >of his/her ability, or by the Grace of God, beyond them, may be more pleasing to >the ear than the "half hearted" efforts of the professional who can to a >technically superior job in all aspects covered by the job description while >half asleep. > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:56:47 +0100   A shame, yes, but a minor point for me, a very, very, VERY amateur Organist who is FAR more interested in training the Choir in a largely acapella repertoire, which is EXTREMELY well-received.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:57 Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.         That's a shame. My particular congregation have come to expect a variety of organ treatments in hymns. In fact, my choir has become good enough to =   know within a few beat of each verse when to sing harmony and when to sing =   in unison. I have no doubt that my parish would be quite upset if every verse had the same harmonic structure.   This is consistent with all other churches I've served. (Of course, there =   have been OTHER challenges . . .). Sorry to hear about this restriction, Mark, it certainly limits the opportunities for insightful hymn accompaniments.   Mark       > BUT:_ > > A. My Congregation hates it. > > B. Every Congregation of which I have ever been a member, > including those where they have had very good organists indeed, > has always - at the very least - expressed a strong preference that > THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. > > C. My previous Parish Priest (now, as then, a dear friend whom I > dearly love and greatly respect) actually FORBADE me, and my various > Assistants / colleagues, to reharmonise last verses. And he seldom, if > ever, "interfered" with the music. > > > Kind regards, > MOC.       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. --- Abraham Maslow     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org