PipeChat Digest #935 - Friday, June 18, 1999
 
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Hymnsinging was Hyfrydol
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by <douglas@blackiris.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Rodgers Trio 321B for Sale & two Leslies,
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Re: hymn-playing, etc.
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: John Sherer
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
jalapenos
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
treatment of hymns
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
"amateur" organists I've known and loved
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: John Sherer
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: "amateur" organists I've known and loved
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: treatment of hymns
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Happy Clappy vs. Frozen Chosen
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: treatment of choirs
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:59:18 +0100   Don't you TELL the Choir, in advance, when to sing harmony and when unison = ?   I certainly do.   I would have thought - respectfully - that that was basic.   MOC. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:57 Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.         That's a shame. My particular congregation have come to expect a variety of organ treatments in hymns. In fact, my choir has become good enough to =   know within a few beat of each verse when to sing harmony and when to sing =   in unison. I have no doubt that my parish would be quite upset if every verse had the same harmonic structure.   This is consistent with all other churches I've served. (Of course, there =   have been OTHER challenges . . .). Sorry to hear about this restriction, Mark, it certainly limits the opportunities for insightful hymn accompaniments.   Mark       > BUT:_ > > A. My Congregation hates it. > > B. Every Congregation of which I have ever been a member, > including those where they have had very good organists indeed, > has always - at the very least - expressed a strong preference that > THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. > > C. My previous Parish Priest (now, as then, a dear friend whom I > dearly love and greatly respect) actually FORBADE me, and my various > Assistants / colleagues, to reharmonise last verses. And he seldom, if > ever, "interfered" with the music. > > > Kind regards, > MOC.       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. --- Abraham Maslow     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Hymnsinging was Hyfrydol From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:04:49 -0500   JKVDP@aol.com wrote:   > BTW, does anyone know any mailing list devoted to hymns and Hymnology?   Haven't found a mailing list yet, but here is a website which may get you started:   <http://web.presby.edu/~danderso/misc/hymns.htm>    
(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: douglas@blackiris.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:13:02 -0500   MSNBC will also be carrying the wedding in it's entirety - 11am-2pm Eastern Time US. They have info on the website with a schedule of cermonies but no mention of the music of course <http://www.msnbc.com/news/277522.asp> - Douglas McMurry <douglas@blackiris.com>   "Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open"  
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:44:43 EDT   In a message dated 99-06-18 18:02:09 EDT, afreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   > in Presbyterianism, there's John Sherer in Chicago   Where is he in Chicago and what type of things does he do? Jerry  
(back) Subject: Rodgers Trio 321B for Sale & two Leslies, From: Blaine Ricketts <blaineri@home.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:45:38 -0700   For Sale, a Rodgers 321B, ca.1975-78, $3,000.00. It is self contained, walnut finish, but can be connected to external speakers, not included but available.     Also two Leslie Speakers not used in same organ with Walnut type finish:   Model 720 with a model 540 speaker on top. $500.00   Model 700 $400.00   All located in the San Francisco Bay Area.   Contact me for details.   Blaine Ricketts  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:44:41 EDT   In a message dated 99-06-18 16:25:58 EDT, xcs53@dial.pipex.com writes:   >Parish of Holy Trinity, Belbroughton w. St. Mark's, Fairfield. >Rector: Rev. Dr. Derek Sharples. >Director of Music: Mark Checkley. >Assistant Organist: Clare Westley. > > >Evensong: Sunday 13th June, 1998. > > Congratulations on fine music, Mark. In which town - district of England = are you located? How many people come to Evensong? Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: John Sherer From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:10:54 -0400   Jerry: He was with us for a couple years at St. Luke's, Manhattan, and = left about three or four years ago to take the High Bench at Fourth = Presbyterian, near north side in Chicago. Biggest pipe organ in the midwest, I'm told. If I understand correctly he's the head honcho of the whole music program, which is extensive indeed. Shortly after his departure from here he got = his doctorate from Juilliard, where he'd been studying with John Weaver.   Alan Freed   ---------- >From: JKVDP@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. >Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999, 7:44 PM >   > Where is he in Chicago and what type of things does he do? > Jerry  
(back) Subject: jalapenos From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:07:39 -0700   OK, who put the jalapenos in everybody's Preparation H??!! What is going ON??!! Is the moon full, or WHAT??!! (grin)   Bud    
(back) Subject: treatment of hymns From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:23:21 -0700   Free hymn accompaniments, improvisations, modulations, etc. must be in Anglicans' genes ... the first Sunday I played at St. Matthew's, I did all of the above as a matter of course, and nobody batted an eye, except to say, "Gee! That was exciting! The people really SANG!" Which, we should never forget, is the PURPOSE of flossying up the hymns in the first place.   In fairness, most of my people are refugees from St. Luke's Episcopal in Long Beach, which had a long and distinguished history of traditional Anglican service-playing and choir singing in the high Victorian English style; and from Blessed Sacrament Episcopal in Placentia, which at one time was an old-line Anglo-Catholic parish. So while they'd never heard it AT ST. MATTHEW'S, they'd certainly HEARD it.   We always sing the processional and recessional hymns in unison from start to finish ... I dislike hearing the parts go by if I'm sitting in the congregation ... not unlike listening to the doppler effect of a train going by (grin) ... so I don't have to tell them ahead of time what I'm going to do in those. Occasionally I DO tell them if I'm going to improvise a partita between verses of the communion hymn ... their term for that (which I discovered written in their hymnals) is "Bud gonna go nuts" (grin).   There's a fairly major (if short) improvisation after the Gospel every Sunday (usually on the Alleluia melody) to get the Gospel procession back to the Sanctuary. I practically ALWAYS improvise the closing voluntary at Evensong, usually on the Office Hymn.   I've gathered quite an audience for the closing voluntaries, both at Mass and at Evensong ... they come and sit in the choir stalls (if there's any room ... most of the choir stays as well) and in the back pews, or just stand around the console. And this has occurred in a relatively short period of time since Easter last. I'm not PLAYING anything different ... I guess they just NOTICED (grin).   I can't think of anything more BORING that playing ALL the verses of ALL the hymns with the same harmonization, Hyfrydol included (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: "amateur" organists I've known and loved From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:37:35 -0700   I guess it's time to tell the stories again ... Mrs. A.K. Wood, Mulberry Methodist Church, Mulberry Fl ... schoolteacher, by-courtesy organist, huge library of Lorenz organ and choir music, played with both feet (occasionally), produced a Christmas and Easter cantata year end and year out, and practically never missed a Sunday. Mrs. Woods inspired me to become an organist.   Mrs. C.C. ("Pet") Harper, Holy Trinity Episcopal Church, Bartow FL ... couldn't read music; played the Mass and the hymns by ear. Since she had inherited John Brown's "Mass in D" from her mother, who was organist before her, who had inherited it from HER great aunt, who was organist before HER, the Mass was no problem (grin). And they sang the same hymns for the forty years that Father Carelton was Rector, so the hymns were no problem either.   Miss Pet played for the Kiwanis, Lions, local dance studios, etc. ... played for Mass in the same style, but the congregation was so used to her bump-and-thump style that they sang right along. She was given to wearing many bracelets, the jingle of which gave the beat to the choir. She regularly broke the stop tabs off the little old Moller Artiste, and was reduced to registering with the crescendo pedal until the next time the organ cobbler came around.   But she was THERE, on the bench, EVERY Sunday, winter and summer, for close to fifty years. She finally retired when they built the new church and got a new organ, and everybody was sorry to see her go.   The Dietz sisters, Sacred Heart RC, Oberlin OH ... Teresa played the organ and sang the daily High Masses; her sister ran the sacristy. Miss Tessie played an hysterical old Mason & Hamlin reed organ (with voice to match) ... I think they finally got an electronic when the new church was built. But SHE was there SEVEN days a week, 365 days a year, and knew every Mass in Father Rossini's proper books, probably by heart.   I wouldn't have THOUGHT to criticize their abilities, then OR now ... they kept the music going with NO salaries, NO budget, and (except for Mrs. Wood, who presided at a magnificent 7-rank Estey), practically no instruments.   We won't see their likes again, sadly ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: John Sherer From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:44:00 EDT   In a message dated 99-06-18 20:11:02 EDT, you write:   << Biggest pipe organ in the midwest, I'm told. >> I've been in the church but haven't heard the organ, but given the size of =   the place, I wonder if it really has the biggest pipe organ in the = midwest. Perhaps someone familiar with 4th Pres can elucidate.  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:07:11 +0100   Worcestershire.   Right in the middle.   Evensong usually commands a Congregation of between 40 - 60, plus about 30 - 35 in the Choir.   It's by far the best attended service - alas; they're not very Eucharistic. Only a TINY village.   Mark Checkley.   -----Original Message----- From: JKVDP@aol.com <JKVDP@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:52 Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc.     >In a message dated 99-06-18 16:25:58 EDT, xcs53@dial.pipex.com writes: > >>Parish of Holy Trinity, Belbroughton w. St. Mark's, Fairfield. >>Rector: Rev. Dr. Derek Sharples. >>Director of Music: Mark Checkley. >>Assistant Organist: Clare Westley. >> >> >>Evensong: Sunday 13th June, 1998. >> >> >Congratulations on fine music, Mark. In which town - district of England are >you located? How many people come to Evensong? >Jerry in Seattle > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: "amateur" organists I've known and loved From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:14:03 +0100   Yes you will see their likes again.   You can see them now, all over England.   True.   <grin>   MOC   -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:41 Subject: "amateur" organists I've known and loved     >I guess it's time to tell the stories again ... Mrs. A.K. Wood, Mulberry >Methodist Church, Mulberry Fl ... schoolteacher, by-courtesy organist, >huge library of Lorenz organ and choir music, played with both feet >(occasionally), produced a Christmas and Easter cantata year end and >year out, and practically never missed a Sunday. Mrs. Woods inspired me >to become an organist. > >Mrs. C.C. ("Pet") Harper, Holy Trinity Episcopal Church, Bartow FL ... >couldn't read music; played the Mass and the hymns by ear. Since she had >inherited John Brown's "Mass in D" from her mother, who was organist >before her, who had inherited it from HER great aunt, who was organist >before HER, the Mass was no problem (grin). And they sang the same hymns >for the forty years that Father Carelton was Rector, so the hymns were >no problem either. > >Miss Pet played for the Kiwanis, Lions, local dance studios, etc. ... >played for Mass in the same style, but the congregation was so used to >her bump-and-thump style that they sang right along. She was given to >wearing many bracelets, the jingle of which gave the beat to the choir. >She regularly broke the stop tabs off the little old Moller Artiste, and >was reduced to registering with the crescendo pedal until the next time >the organ cobbler came around. > >But she was THERE, on the bench, EVERY Sunday, winter and summer, for >close to fifty years. She finally retired when they built the new church >and got a new organ, and everybody was sorry to see her go. > >The Dietz sisters, Sacred Heart RC, Oberlin OH ... Teresa played the >organ and sang the daily High Masses; her sister ran the sacristy. Miss >Tessie played an hysterical old Mason & Hamlin reed organ (with voice to >match) ... I think they finally got an electronic when the new church >was built. But SHE was there SEVEN days a week, 365 days a year, and >knew every Mass in Father Rossini's proper books, probably by heart. > >I wouldn't have THOUGHT to criticize their abilities, then OR now ... >they kept the music going with NO salaries, NO budget, and (except for >Mrs. Wood, who presided at a magnificent 7-rank Estey), practically no >instruments. > >We won't see their likes again, sadly ... > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: treatment of hymns From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:11:52 +0100   Don't think my Choir Men would be too happy about all that unison hymnsinging.   I certainly wouldn't stand for it, if I was in your Alto department !!   I would be inclined to wonder why I was there.   MOC -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:28 Subject: treatment of hymns     >Free hymn accompaniments, improvisations, modulations, etc. must be in >Anglicans' genes ... the first Sunday I played at St. Matthew's, I did >all of the above as a matter of course, and nobody batted an eye, except >to say, "Gee! That was exciting! The people really SANG!" Which, we >should never forget, is the PURPOSE of flossying up the hymns in the >first place. > >In fairness, most of my people are refugees from St. Luke's Episcopal in >Long Beach, which had a long and distinguished history of traditional >Anglican service-playing and choir singing in the high Victorian English >style; and from Blessed Sacrament Episcopal in Placentia, which at one >time was an old-line Anglo-Catholic parish. So while they'd never heard >it AT ST. MATTHEW'S, they'd certainly HEARD it. > >We always sing the processional and recessional hymns in unison from >start to finish ... I dislike hearing the parts go by if I'm sitting in >the congregation ... not unlike listening to the doppler effect of a >train going by (grin) ... so I don't have to tell them ahead of time >what I'm going to do in those. Occasionally I DO tell them if I'm going >to improvise a partita between verses of the communion hymn ... their >term for that (which I discovered written in their hymnals) is "Bud >gonna go nuts" (grin). > >There's a fairly major (if short) improvisation after the Gospel every >Sunday (usually on the Alleluia melody) to get the Gospel procession >back to the Sanctuary. I practically ALWAYS improvise the closing >voluntary at Evensong, usually on the Office Hymn. > >I've gathered quite an audience for the closing voluntaries, both at >Mass and at Evensong ... they come and sit in the choir stalls (if >there's any room ... most of the choir stays as well) and in the back >pews, or just stand around the console. And this has occurred in a >relatively short period of time since Easter last. I'm not PLAYING >anything different ... I guess they just NOTICED (grin). > >I can't think of anything more BORING that playing ALL the verses of ALL >the hymns with the same harmonization, Hyfrydol included (grin). > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Happy Clappy vs. Frozen Chosen From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:05:26 -0400 (EDT)     >Is it just me, or has everything that can > possibly be said about the above referenced > subject been said already? Geeze. Actually no.... However, propriety, good breeding, and obscenity laws prevent more specificity! Cheeeaaaahs! ;-)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: treatment of choirs From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:13:31 -0700   The choir's FIRST duty is to LEAD the congregation in the hymns and the Ordinary of the Mass. THAT they do by singing the tune (except in the = Gloria, which the CONGREGATION sings in parts). And they don't sing ALL the hymns = in unison ... just the pro and the rec. The sermon hymn (when there is one) = and the communion hymn they sing in parts. They also sing the Introit, = Gradual, Alleluia, Anthem, Communion, Psalm and Motet in parts, which is PLENTY for them.   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - I'm old enough and big enough and ugly enough that choirs have = finally quit trying to blackmail me by "not standing" for this, that or the other thing. Either they're there to sing for the glory of God (AND for me!), or there's the door. My choir loves me, and I love them, but my choir loft is = a benevolent dictatorship. In point of fact, THEY have asked a couple of = people to leave who thought to come in and "take over the music". On the other = hand, when they say "no" and I know that they really MEAN "no", I listen. I = asked them if we could pull off the Mozart "Veni Sancte Spiritus" for Pentecost with extra rehearsals. They said, "no, we're tired; it's the end of the season; wait till the new open scores come in the Fall ... this old closed-score Kalmus edition is too hard to read." We have THAT kind of = give and take, but as to WHAT the music is (for the most part) and HOW it's = done .... I'm not ABOUT to take a vote on how to arrange the antiphonal singing = in the psalms -- I tell them what it's to be, and they do it. Ditto the = hymns. And I've NEVER been in a church (as a chorister OR an organist) where it = was otherwise. And, incidentally, that is my MANDATE from the Rector.   We have lots of fun; there's been exactly ONE dust-up in the choir in the = two years I've been there, and it turned out it had to do with one of the = bass's meds being out of whack and had NOTHING to do with the music. They HAD a musical troika (tenor soloist, choir director, organist) before I came; they're having NONE of music-by-committee (grin). If they don't like something, they SAY so, but it's THEIR church; they DON'T walk. And = usually if I explain "why", they go along.   Cheers,   Bud   Mark Checkley wrote:   > Don't think my Choir Men would be too happy about all that > unison hymnsinging. > > I certainly wouldn't stand for it, if I was in your Alto department !! > > I would be inclined to wonder why I was there. > > MOC > -----Original Message----- > From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:28 > Subject: treatment of hymns > > >Free hymn accompaniments, improvisations, modulations, etc. must be in > >Anglicans' genes ... the first Sunday I played at St. Matthew's, I did > >all of the above as a matter of course, and nobody batted an eye, = except > >to say, "Gee! That was exciting! The people really SANG!" Which, we > >should never forget, is the PURPOSE of flossying up the hymns in the > >first place. > > > >In fairness, most of my people are refugees from St. Luke's Episcopal = in > >Long Beach, which had a long and distinguished history of traditional > >Anglican service-playing and choir singing in the high Victorian = English > >style; and from Blessed Sacrament Episcopal in Placentia, which at one > >time was an old-line Anglo-Catholic parish. So while they'd never heard > >it AT ST. MATTHEW'S, they'd certainly HEARD it. > > > >We always sing the processional and recessional hymns in unison from > >start to finish ... I dislike hearing the parts go by if I'm sitting in > >the congregation ... not unlike listening to the doppler effect of a > >train going by (grin) ... so I don't have to tell them ahead of time > >what I'm going to do in those. Occasionally I DO tell them if I'm going > >to improvise a partita between verses of the communion hymn ... their > >term for that (which I discovered written in their hymnals) is "Bud > >gonna go nuts" (grin). > > > >There's a fairly major (if short) improvisation after the Gospel every > >Sunday (usually on the Alleluia melody) to get the Gospel procession > >back to the Sanctuary. I practically ALWAYS improvise the closing > >voluntary at Evensong, usually on the Office Hymn. > > > >I've gathered quite an audience for the closing voluntaries, both at > >Mass and at Evensong ... they come and sit in the choir stalls (if > >there's any room ... most of the choir stays as well) and in the back > >pews, or just stand around the console. And this has occurred in a > >relatively short period of time since Easter last. I'm not PLAYING > >anything different ... I guess they just NOTICED (grin). > > > >I can't think of anything more BORING that playing ALL the verses of = ALL > >the hymns with the same harmonization, Hyfrydol included (grin). > > > >Cheers, > > > >Bud > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:35:37 -0400 (EDT)     >I have to say, Alan, that my Choir and > Congregation object MOST STRONGLY to > ANY last verse reharmonisation of hymns, > beit extemporary or pre-composed, and be it > played by me, or by visiting Organists of > greater skill. >I have found this practice to be MOST > UNPOPULAR, almost everywhere I have > been. I must agree with Mark. This has also been my experience, and was impressed upon me by the father and step-mother who tell me that many elderly people, because of their changing voices, like to sing parts of their own making but within the harmonic framework of the hymn tune. They feel it is especially important to be able to sing the final stanza of a hymn. So when i do the occasional harmonic change, which is very seldom and then only a chord or two, I do it on an inner stanza. I have the freedom and opportunity to improvise and harmonize when introducing the hymn, or when "so moved" playing concluding improvisation following the final stanza. The congregation seems to like this method. I've been lucky to find several people in each parish/mass/service whose judgment I trust and upon whom I can count for realistic, honest and valid criticism. They are very helpful.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:48:58 -0400 (EDT)     >So you mean Holy, Holy, Holy was a new > hymn they had to repeat in order to learn? :) Nope! We sang it often because we loved singing it and it helped us worship.   >But I take your point about repeating in order > to learn. The only ones I repeated in 1998 > were new ones. The purpose of repeat hymns is not merely to "learn" them. It is the same reason we re-read books, poetry, and Scripture passages. It's simply because they are meaningful to us and we love them. Most people do not go to church to be educated or edified, but rather simply to worship God.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:07:32 EDT   Dearest Mark,   I whole heartedly agree with you!!! I am not a FULLY trained church = organist (IE I don't have a MM)... but I've been in the "business" since I was 14 years old and am fixin' to turn 32 :-( in a few days.... However, I feel that I provide much better service to my church as organist/choirmaster = than a left foot Tillie who has her right foot pumping the Swell box!!! = Granted, I'm not E. Power Biggs -- nor would I wish to be, but guess what... my congregation thinks I am!!! If MORE churches would pay us a living wage = more of us would go for the BIG degrees!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:14:19 PDT   >Half-trained Organists who just get by in Church are NOT a reflection >upon your "profession" as we are not a part of the "profession' and most >of us are not desirous to become part of your profession. We do what we = do >either for fun or as Christian Service; we are often not paid, or paid >simply a small sum to cover our expenses. > >We are not professional organists. > >We are half-trained organists who just get by in Church.   This is exactly why church musician salaries are so low, respect for same person is even lower, and music program are so poor. Until churches = finally realize you get what you pay for and quit hiring all these "hobbyists," church music will always provide poor salaries and Third World living standards. Would you expect your doctors to do it "for fun?"     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com