PipeChat Digest #936 - Friday, June 18, 1999
 
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
RE: Crystal Cathedral
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Story of St. Joseph's Table
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Peace
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: sung vs said
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: treatment of choirs
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: Peace
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
trained or untrained?
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: John Sherer
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re: St. Sulpice
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Crystal Cathedral
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: hymn-playing, etc.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Hyfrydol
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:22:50 EDT   Regarding this wedding of HRH Prince Edward... I can't imagine why the HM =   the Queen would want this broadcast the world over in light of the last = three Royal weddings.... Especially since HRH Prince Edward is not "quite" the marrying type!   John  
(back) Subject: RE: Crystal Cathedral From: Sam Vause <vause@home.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:24:45 -0700   Just to be picky: glass, steel, concrete are crystalline in nature. :-) = :-) --sam   -----Original Message----- From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM [SMTP:WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM] Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 8:51 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Crystal Cathedral   For the record, the "Crystal Cathedral" is neither crystal nor a = cathedral. Perhaps the Truth in Packaging law should apply here.    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:33:06 PDT     > >You don't have to be concert-level organists, or great improvisers, or >great >sight-readers, or learn nothing but Bach, Buxtehude, and all the other...   I can't image a concert-level organist wanting to be in a church = situation. I don't recall that Arturo Toscanini conducting community choruses or Vladimir Horowitz accompanying them.   Concert level skills may not be necessary for the average church job but = you need a good ear, a sense of rhythm and phrasing, accompanying skills, a sense of orchestration, and know how to manage and play the organ. I've been to too many services where they "just get by" and I frankly find = those services not at all worshipful. Congregations don't sing, the choir sings =   poorly, and the organ playing is just painful. If we're also expected to trainer cantors, then we'd better know how to sing too. Hey, let's put = the voice teachers out of business too!     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Story of St. Joseph's Table From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:38:02 -0400   There are a great many people of Italian heritage in this part of the country. They came to dig the Erie Canal, they came to build the = railroads, they came because life was so difficult where they were and this was a = land of opportunity. There were 3 towns on the island of Sicily, which is a part of Italy = but has it's own strong character. In the Middle Ages, when the plague came, the people of this part of Sicily prayed to St. Joseph that if they were spared they would have a feast in his honor every year, and provide food = for all the poor. It happened. They were not decimated by the plague, and the ceremony was held as promised, on his feast day, in January. In the late 1800's there was a drought, and many young men came to America looking for a future. Times were desperate, whole families pooled their resources to send a son. The venture was successful, the young men found work and started sending money back to help their families, and also sent word of the new country. These island people are clannish, and heavily intermarried, with a closely intertwined culture and religion. Three entire towns decided to emigrate. One was a small urban town, one was a more rustic peasant = farming community, and one was a market center. They all came at once, and settled around the Rochester, NY area. One group on each of the three sides, as Rochester is a port on Lake Ontario. They brought their culture and abilities and religion with them, and very successfully reestablished themselves and multiplied. One of the traditions they brought along was St. Joseph's Table. The feast is still held here in many communities every year. Everyone contributes their best cooking and baking, there is a charge for the meal, and the money goes to feed the poor. I believe the tradition is about 400 yrs. old at this = point. So are some of the recipes. My husband delivers appliances to homes where sometimes little old ladies,who prefer to speak Italian, and seldom leave the house, offer him unusual and luscious baked goods. They must be 3rd or 4th generation adults. Very interesting history. Can you imagine an entire American village agreeing to do ANYTHING? Well they did, and they brought the priests too. Must have been quite an adventure. Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: Peace From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:09:49 -0400   This is about the end of the day. It's 11 p.m. on the east coast. I = would like to recommend that we all follow our directive as citizens of the Kingdom and finish the day in peace, not anger. It's been interesting, and way too many people have continued right on into divided churches, divided towns, and out and out "religious" war. That's not who we are, not what we are to do, not how we are to behave. Besides, this is the United States of America, and I have relatives = who sacrificed their lives for your freedom to talk. It's one of the few = places in the world where we can live together with quite extreme differences, = and get along. Those in England and New Zealand also live in such privileged countries, but, superseding that, we are all citizens of another, better, place. I wish a peaceful night to you all. Diane S. (straight@infoblvd.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:42:28 -0400 (EDT)   Can someone please email me to tell me to where, to whom are we to send our top 10 lists? I can't find the original post anywhere in my files. Your assistance is apprec. Danke. --Neil , Innkawgneeto@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Re: sung vs said From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:50:22 EDT   In a message dated 6/18/99 1:32:31 AM Central Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << And let all the people say "AMEN" (except the low-church folks, who = still growl at me for singing the Psalms). >>   Hmmm, and I for one thinks that the psalms are SONGS of praise.... = therefore, meant to BE SUNG....   John  
(back) Subject: Re: treatment of choirs From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:44:34 +0800 (CST)       On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Bud/burgie wrote:   > The choir's FIRST duty is to LEAD the congregation in the hymns and the > Ordinary of the Mass. THAT they do by singing the tune (except in the = Gloria, > which the CONGREGATION sings in parts). And they don't sing ALL the = hymns in > unison ... just the pro and the rec. The sermon hymn (when there is one) = and > the communion hymn they sing in parts. They also sing the Introit, = Gradual, > Alleluia, Anthem, Communion, Psalm and Motet in parts, which is PLENTY = for > them. > > Cheers, > > Bud     Your post brings back memories of my home church when the choir was in the balcony and the organ was in chambers on either side of the choir.... The choir always sang in unison until we got up into the balcony.... and with some hymns we might change into harmony.... Other hymns (sermon, communion) we would sing in harmony if appropriate.... But the whole point I'm making is that the choir received some very nice comments from the members of the congregation when the choir sang in harmony....   Somehow these members realized that it took a little more effort on the part of the choir to learn how to sing the parts.... and the members appreciated the beauty of singing in parts, where appropriate...   Best wishes to all....       Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member     > > P.S. - I'm old enough and big enough and ugly enough that choirs have = finally > quit trying to blackmail me by "not standing" for this, that or the = other > thing. Either they're there to sing for the glory of God (AND for me!), = or > there's the door. My choir loves me, and I love them, but my choir loft = is a > benevolent dictatorship. In point of fact, THEY have asked a couple of = people > to leave who thought to come in and "take over the music". On the other = hand, > when they say "no" and I know that they really MEAN "no", I listen. I = asked > them if we could pull off the Mozart "Veni Sancte Spiritus" for = Pentecost > with extra rehearsals. They said, "no, we're tired; it's the end of the > season; wait till the new open scores come in the Fall ... this old > closed-score Kalmus edition is too hard to read." We have THAT kind of = give > and take, but as to WHAT the music is (for the most part) and HOW it's = done > ... I'm not ABOUT to take a vote on how to arrange the antiphonal = singing in > the psalms -- I tell them what it's to be, and they do it. Ditto the = hymns. > And I've NEVER been in a church (as a chorister OR an organist) where it = was > otherwise. And, incidentally, that is my MANDATE from the Rector. > > We have lots of fun; there's been exactly ONE dust-up in the choir in = the two > years I've been there, and it turned out it had to do with one of the = bass's > meds being out of whack and had NOTHING to do with the music. They HAD a > musical troika (tenor soloist, choir director, organist) before I came; > they're having NONE of music-by-committee (grin). If they don't like > something, they SAY so, but it's THEIR church; they DON'T walk. And = usually > if I explain "why", they go along. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Mark Checkley wrote: > > > Don't think my Choir Men would be too happy about all that > > unison hymnsinging. > > > > I certainly wouldn't stand for it, if I was in your Alto department !! > > > > I would be inclined to wonder why I was there. > > > > MOC > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > > To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat = <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:28 > > Subject: treatment of hymns > > > > >Free hymn accompaniments, improvisations, modulations, etc. must be = in > > >Anglicans' genes ... the first Sunday I played at St. Matthew's, I = did > > >all of the above as a matter of course, and nobody batted an eye, = except > > >to say, "Gee! That was exciting! The people really SANG!" Which, we > > >should never forget, is the PURPOSE of flossying up the hymns in the > > >first place. > > > > > >In fairness, most of my people are refugees from St. Luke's Episcopal in > > >Long Beach, which had a long and distinguished history of traditional > > >Anglican service-playing and choir singing in the high Victorian = English > > >style; and from Blessed Sacrament Episcopal in Placentia, which at = one > > >time was an old-line Anglo-Catholic parish. So while they'd never = heard > > >it AT ST. MATTHEW'S, they'd certainly HEARD it. > > > > > >We always sing the processional and recessional hymns in unison from > > >start to finish ... I dislike hearing the parts go by if I'm sitting = in > > >the congregation ... not unlike listening to the doppler effect of a > > >train going by (grin) ... so I don't have to tell them ahead of time > > >what I'm going to do in those. Occasionally I DO tell them if I'm = going > > >to improvise a partita between verses of the communion hymn ... their > > >term for that (which I discovered written in their hymnals) is "Bud > > >gonna go nuts" (grin). > > > > > >There's a fairly major (if short) improvisation after the Gospel = every > > >Sunday (usually on the Alleluia melody) to get the Gospel procession > > >back to the Sanctuary. I practically ALWAYS improvise the closing > > >voluntary at Evensong, usually on the Office Hymn. > > > > > >I've gathered quite an audience for the closing voluntaries, both at > > >Mass and at Evensong ... they come and sit in the choir stalls (if > > >there's any room ... most of the choir stays as well) and in the back > > >pews, or just stand around the console. And this has occurred in a > > >relatively short period of time since Easter last. I'm not PLAYING > > >anything different ... I guess they just NOTICED (grin). > > > > > >I can't think of anything more BORING that playing ALL the verses of = ALL > > >the hymns with the same harmonization, Hyfrydol included (grin). > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Bud > > > > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:52:03 -0400 (EDT)   >>But for the most part, in my experience, the 1'ns who don't worship "that way" fail to recognize the other's need and make certain the fallacy is pointed out to them.<< =A0   Bruce, once again you are quite right. As I am accustomed to saying, there are snobs at both extremes of most issues. But you, Bruce, are certainly not one of them. One cannot work successfully in the Methodist church and not embrace (to a certain extent) the beauty that both worship traditions have to offer (this is not to say there are not OTHER traditions; I'm merely referring to the frozen and clappy ones for this post). Cheers, every1 --Neil    
(back) Subject: Fw: Peace From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:54:11 -0500   Amen, Diane.   -----Original Message----- From: STRAIGHT <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: Peace     >This is about the end of the day. It's 11 p.m. on the east coast. I = would >like to recommend that we all follow our directive as citizens of the >Kingdom and finish the day in peace, not anger. > It's been interesting, and way too many people have continued right = on >into divided churches, divided towns, and out and out "religious" war. >That's not who we are, not what we are to do, not how we are to behave. > Besides, this is the United States of America, and I have relatives = who >sacrificed their lives for your freedom to talk. It's one of the few places >in the world where we can live together with quite extreme differences, = and >get along. Those in England and New Zealand also live in such privileged >countries, but, superseding that, we are all citizens of another, better, >place. > I wish a peaceful night to you all. >Diane S. >(straight@infoblvd.net) > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: trained or untrained? From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:55:10 EDT   greetings,   I've been reading the postes on this subject all day and = I'd like to put in my 2 cents. I really don't think it matters one tiny little =   bit if an organist is trained. If he/she is doing the job, then enough = said. I think it's safe to assume that every church would love to have the = world's best organist tickling the ivories every Sunday, but such a dream is often =   just that....a dream (in technicolor). If we do our best, then in the eyes =   of our congregations, we may very well be the best organists, in their worlds. To the organists of the world: 2 thumbs up. We're doing God's = work. That's what really matters, and that's all that ever mattered. Often = times, people don't realize what they have until they lose it. To my fellow = Johann Sebastians....keep up the good work!   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:58:10 PDT   >I have to say, Alan, that my Choir and Congregation object >MOST STRONGLY to ANY last verse reharmonisation >of hymns, beit extemporary or pre-composed, and be it played >by me, or by visiting Organists of greater skill. > >I have found this practice to be MOST UNPOPULAR, almost >everywhere I have been. > >Just my experience - yours may be different. > >Mark Checkley.   Perhaps they know no other way, owing to your lack of "professional" = skills and lack of desire to obtain any.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: 1998 Ten Top Hymns From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:02:58 -0500   Neil, here's the original post...   Subject: 1998 Ten Top Hymns Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:16:17 EDT From: ProOrgo48@aol.com Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: choraltalk@lists.colorado.edu, pipechat@pipechat.org, PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu         Music-Makers of North America, Greetings:   The Hymn Society of America and Canada is to publish a list of the ten top hymns sung in churches throughout our countries last year, in 1998. Accompaniment by Organ (pipe or electronic) or Piano is not really = germaine   to the study, however it would be of interest to me, personally, if you don't mind adding that to a listing you might care to forward. example:   Praise the Lord, Ye Heavens Adore Him/HYFRYDOL Sung 4 times O God, Our Help in Ages Past/ST. ANNE 3 times etc.   Please respond via Email, if you possibly can, by July 15. Many thanks, and have a great summer! Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Life Member/Hymn Society of America/Canada ProOrgo48@aol.com   Rod Murrow   N Brown wrote:   > Can someone please email me to tell me to where, to whom are we to send > our top 10 lists? I can't find the original post anywhere in my files.    
(back) Subject: Re: John Sherer From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:59:44 -0700   Fourth Presbyterian in Chicago has a 4/125 Aeolian-Skinner, #1516 = installed in 1969. Some restoration was done by Goulding & Wood in 1994.   Sand Lawn     >In a message dated 99-06-18 20:11:02 EDT, you write: > ><< Biggest pipe organ in the midwest, I'm told. >> >I've been in the church but haven't heard the organ, but given the size = of >the place, I wonder if it really has the biggest pipe organ in the = midwest. >Perhaps someone familiar with 4th Pres can elucidate. >   >      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Sulpice From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:01:53 -0400 (EDT)   There is absolutely no excuse for crotchety organists in the kingdom of God, with perhaps one exception-- the complete disregard for worship by wedding photographer/videographers. Assertive, yes; strong leading, yes; crotchety, absolutely uncalled for. Sometimes these fountains of charm fail to realize just how easy it is to replace them. Just my 2 pennies worth. --Neil P.S. Sorry Bruce, I seem to have a burr up my saddle, but I don't think it's fundy pills.    
(back) Subject: Re: Crystal Cathedral From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:05:25 -0400 (EDT)   Perhaps, Wayne, but it is in Garden Grove. Isn't it? --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:07:14 EDT   OK Y'ALL,,,   I acknowledge that I may be an Anglican at heart... and at ONE time = thought that all who didn't believe what I believed should be burnt at the = stake... but.... we must respect other's (though they may be different) religious = view points it doesn't mean that we have to accept those teaching AND this = gives us NO license to bash others. There is enough BASHING of people for religious, racial, sexual, etc.... preferences -- in our supposedly free land. Let us please call a truce!   I realize that I started this with my original posting a number of days = ago, but I didn't mean for it to take this turn.....   John  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn-playing, etc. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:13:18 PDT       > >Robert, I am FAR FAR MORE CONCERNED with meeting >the musical needs of our very ordinary church, than I am with being >some sort of "ambassador" for the Organ. I hate to be sanctimonious, >because Anglicans aren't, but if I am any sort of ambassador, I am >an ambassador, firstly, for the gospel.   Get thee off the bench and into the pulpit where you'll do less harm to = the music. Quit settling for ordinary, expand your horizons and hire a professional!     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:13:50 -0700       ray ahrens wrote:   > > > >You don't have to be concert-level organists, or great improvisers, or > >great > >sight-readers, or learn nothing but Bach, Buxtehude, and all the = other... > > I can't image a concert-level organist wanting to be in a church = situation. > I don't recall that Arturo Toscanini conducting community choruses or > Vladimir Horowitz accompanying them.   I must disagree ... I think to be a fine church musician over the long = haul requires a MUCH broader range of skills, AND depth at each. The conductor Leopold Stowkowski (sp?) was a church organist (Anglican) for much of his professional life, if I'm not mistaken.   Maybe it's just my arthritis acting up after spending six hours standing = at the copy machine making choirbooks for our Friday 6 a.m. Sung Mattins service, = but do I detect just a HINT of condescension in the statement "I can't image a concert-level organist wanting to be in a church situation."?   Bud   > > > Concert level skills may not be necessary for the average church job but = you > need a good ear, a sense of rhythm and phrasing, accompanying skills, a > sense of orchestration, and know how to manage and play the organ. I've > been to too many services where they "just get by" and I frankly find = those > services not at all worshipful. Congregations don't sing, the choir = sings > poorly, and the organ playing is just painful. If we're also expected = to > trainer cantors, then we'd better know how to sing too. Hey, let's put = the > voice teachers out of business too! > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:23:06 -0400 (EDT)   Friends, I've been in a church where I would get letters from 2 people everytime I modulated on the final verse. Actually, the consistory would get the letters. But you know what? The rest of the folks absolutely loved what I did. In my present position, I have been doing interludes pro forma (is that the right word?) since the installation of our pipe organ 4 years ago. Not on every hymn, but when it seems appropriate. I wrote an article for our church newsletter indicating why I do it. It is part and parcel of our worship experience now for me to do something with the hymns. And, if I may be so bold, I am gaining a reputation for some pretty awesome hymn festivals. It's not what you do that counts so much as how and why you do it. If interludes, alternate accomps are offered AS worship FOR worship, they are very often received graciously. If they are offered AS show FOR performer's own gratification, they are not received well. The old rule still applies, folks: Less is more. And the 2nd is like unto it: Everything in moderation. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:28:38 -0400 (EDT)   And, Alan, sir, if I may be so bold, the tradition continues here in Toms River, USA. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Hyfrydol From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:29:06 PDT   Mark,   On this issue I concur with your observation.   >There is, and always has been in my lifetime, a strong feeling >amongst many practising Roman Catholics that:- > >A. One MUST, without fail, GO TO MASS. > >B. One need NOT do anything else, other than "be there". > >This leads to a significant percentage of Roman Catholics >who do precisely these things. Both of them. > >Mark Checkley. >     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:33:40 PDT     >C. My previous Parish Priest (now, as then, a dear friend whom I >dearly love and greatly respect) actually FORBADE me, and my various >Assistants / colleagues, to reharmonise last verses. And he seldom, if >ever, "interfered" with the music.   A dangerous duo, the Uneducated and the Ill-informed.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com