PipeChat Digest #937 - Saturday, June 19, 1999
 
Re: John Sherer
  by "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: sung vs said
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Fw: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Asst. Organist Auditions
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Fw: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: sung vs said
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Crystal Cathedral
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
RE: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
European Organ Pics
  by "Aida van de Brake" <Celeste@cable.A2000.nl>
 


(back) Subject: Re: John Sherer From: "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:40:55 -0500       >Fourth Presbyterian in Chicago has a 4/125 Aeolian-Skinner, #1516 = installed >in 1969. Some restoration was done by Goulding & Wood in 1994.     I don't know if I'm helping or confusing, but here goes... As a life long Chicagoan, I've been racking my brain to try and think of a bigger organ = in Chicago than Fourth Presbyterian. For the life of me... I can't. =3D) The closest that I can get is Millar Chapel at Northwestern (Aeolian-Skinner = 100 Ranks) and Rockefeller Chapel at University of Chicago (E.M. Skinner ? Ranks)   John Sherer replaced Morgan Simmons as Organist and Choirmaster in = somewhere around 1996. He's the head honcho in everything that happens there = musically from Playing for worship, directing choirs, and adminstrating a MASSIVE concert series. That's as far as I know, however... anyone can add or correct me... let me know!   Pax, Jason   Jason R. Klein Associate Organist - First Presbyterian Church, Arlington Heights, = Illinois Organ Performance Major - Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:44:09 -0400 (EDT)   We can all learn a lesson from Brother Izaak Perlmann (please forgive bad spelling). Every chance he gets, he plays IN the orchestra. One of the world's greatest virtuosi? Sure. Too pompous to play in the pit? No way. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:46:39 PDT       >Does the parable of the widow's mite not apply here? Each person who >offers >his/her service to Divine Worship in leading music comes under the cover = of >this >parable. The offerings of the amateur part time musician working to the >limits >of his/her ability, or by the Grace of God, beyond them, may be more >pleasing to >the ear than the "half hearted" efforts of the professional who can to a >technically superior job in all aspects covered by the job description >while >half asleep.   Apples and oranges. I'd rather hear Beverly Sills (most certainly Jewish) =   sing the soprano arias from Handel's "Messiah" over Amy Grant (most certainly CCM) any day. Would even prefer Sandi Patti over Ms Grant. = While it's important that our hearts are in the right place, and that = worshipping God is our primary goal, you need to have the musical skills if you're the =   one responsible for the music leadership.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:52:03 -0400 (EDT)   Ray, your post reminds me of the recent release of Michael Bolton's aria album (don't know title-couldn't care less). I heard him scruf out "Nessun Dorma" on that Nanny show. Ugh. It just don't work. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:53:12 PDT   >A shame, yes, but a minor point for me, a very, very, VERY amateur >Organist who is FAR more interested in training the Choir in a >largely acapella repertoire, which is EXTREMELY well-received. > >Mark Checkley.   Finally, the truth is revealed. Would have saved us the bandwith had MOC been upfront with us. Now, hire yourself a competent organist.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: sung vs said From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:53:00 EDT   Anglican inconsistencies   1. The Prayerbook calls it Evening Prayer   2. It becomes Evensong when sung.   3. Then without music they call it Evensong (Said)   Or am I just a liturgically depraved Presbyterian?   Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Fw: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:11:00 -0500   My white flag is up..........   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:12 PM Subject: Re: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy     >OK Y'ALL,,, > >I acknowledge that I may be an Anglican at heart... and at ONE time = thought >that all who didn't believe what I believed should be burnt at the = stake... >but.... we must respect other's (though they may be different) religious view >points it doesn't mean that we have to accept those teaching AND this = gives >us NO license to bash others. >There is enough BASHING of people for religious, racial, sexual, etc.... >preferences -- in our supposedly free land. Let us please call a truce! > >I realize that I started this with my original posting a number of days ago, >but I didn't mean for it to take this turn..... > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Asst. Organist Auditions From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:11:40 -0400 (EDT)   Thanks to every1 for their imput. Your responses were very useful. I obviously touched a sensitive nerve when I mentioned sightreading. But it is an important church music skill, albeit not as important as other more crucial ones. Peace to you all. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Frozen Chosen" vs. "Happy Clappy From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:12:22 -0400 (EDT)   I've been in the DMZ through this whole thing. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:32:57 -0700   Earnest Young Rector at St. Matthew's wouldn't DARE (not to mention that = it would never occur to him) ... we have our dust-ups about the minutiae of liturgy, but he has NEVER, EVER told me what to sing or play, and/or how = to sing or play it. That's what he hired ME to take care of, yes/no?   Bud   ray ahrens wrote:   > >C. My previous Parish Priest (now, as then, a dear friend whom I > >dearly love and greatly respect) actually FORBADE me, and my various > >Assistants / colleagues, to reharmonise last verses. And he seldom, if > >ever, "interfered" with the music. > > A dangerous duo, the Uneducated and the Ill-informed. > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:31:13 -0500   I wrote, in part:   > <snip>...The offerings of the amateur part time musician working to the = limits > > >of his/her ability, or by the Grace of God, beyond them, may be more > >pleasing to > >the ear than the "half hearted" efforts of the professional who can to = a > >technically superior job in all aspects covered by the job description > >while > >half asleep.   ray ahrens wrote:   > Apples and oranges. I'd rather hear Beverly Sills (most certainly = Jewish) > sing the soprano arias from Handel's "Messiah" over Amy Grant (most > certainly CCM) any day. Would even prefer Sandi Patti over Ms Grant.   It seems to me that comparing Ms. Sills to Ms. Grant to Ms Patti is = comparing apples to apples. These are all professional musicians. A more apt = comparison would be any of these three ladies to "Alice Alto", who couldn't get off = 'a (above middle c)' to save her soul, but who sings that 'a' to and for God = every week, to the best of her God given ability, and with all the enthusiasm = God has, in His grace, given her. If Alice is "singing her heart out", and = any/all of the other three ladies are not giving it their best effort [and I do not = mean to suggest here that any of these singers ever does fail to offer a = half-hearted performance] I suggest that Jesus would say, based upon the parable I = cited, that God prefers Alices whole hearted 'a' to Ms. Sills technically = superior, but half hearted aria.   > While it's important that our hearts are in the right place, and that > worshipping > God is our primary goal, you need to have the musical skills if you're = the > one responsible for the music leadership.   Only if there are those whose leadership is superior to yours at the same = time and place.    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:36:44 -0700   Doesn't he also play a mean klezmer (sp?) fiddle?   Bud   N Brown wrote:   > We can all learn a lesson from Brother Izaak Perlmann (please forgive > bad spelling). Every chance he gets, he plays IN the orchestra. > One of the world's greatest virtuosi? Sure. Too pompous to play in > the pit? No way. > --Neil > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: sung vs said From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:38:14 -0700   If I'm not mistaken, the 1662 ENGLISH Prayer Book calls it Mattins and Evensong, whether it's said OR sung.   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - E.Y.R. tends to call it EvenSAID when it is (grin)   JKVDP@aol.com wrote:   > Anglican inconsistencies > > 1. The Prayerbook calls it Evening Prayer > > 2. It becomes Evensong when sung. > > 3. Then without music they call it Evensong (Said) > > Or am I just a liturgically depraved Presbyterian? > > Jerry in Seattle > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Crystal Cathedral From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:35:12 -0500   Sam Vause wrote:   > Just to be picky: glass, steel, concrete are crystalline in nature. :-) = :-) > --sam   IIRC, while steel is indeed crystalline, concrete is an aggregate = material, and glass is an amorphous solid.    
(back) Subject: RE: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:59:24 -0700   > Finally, the truth is revealed. Would have saved us the bandwith had . = .. .. > been upfront with us. Now, hire yourself a competent organist.   This is starting (starting) to get personal and insulting, and certainly = not appropriate to this forum. Perhaps if you find it necessary to sink to = this level of commentary, you can at least go off list with it and spare the = rest of us.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: European Organ Pics From: Aida van de Brake <Celeste@cable.A2000.nl> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:04:19 +0200   Hi All,   I've had some very enthusiastic reactions from members of one of the other lists to some Zwolle Schnitger pictures I posted that I would like to share with you guys as well. For those of you interested: Mr. Toku Ohbayashi has built a whole 'Museum' on the Web: http://orgel.com/vlm/   For even more pictures you might want to try these: http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/orgelinfo/schnitger.html http://www.kerknet.smra.nl/~carla/infohtml/gebouw.html http://www.orgelmagazin.de/mom/orgeln/po100.htm     Enjoy them,   Cheers,   Aida.