PipeChat Digest #940 - Saturday, June 19, 1999
 
Re: treatment of choirs
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
organ transplant(s)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: volunteer vs paid organists
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
village organists redux
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: organ transplant(s)
  by "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: treatment of choirs From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:04:09 +0100   Oh it is quite clear that you are doing a very great deal that is right; don't misunderstand me. The unison hymnsinging lark is just a local issue to me, and as you rightly say, "not necessary to salvation". There are more important things to argue about. All I'm saying is my men would complain long and loud, so I don't so it - not worth the conflict; not a "big deal".   So far as the authority of the Rector is concerned you are, of course, absolutely right "de jure". "De facto", however, is an entirely different matter.   If one has credibility amongst Choir, Congregation and the wider community of the Parish, it is extremely difficult for the Rector to exercise his "de jure" control.   I maintain traditional music and services very much against the will of the Rector, because the work that I do has so much general support and approval that it would, politically, be very difficult for him to "sack" me.   We do, if fact, quite strongly dislike each other, but I don't let that bother me, and he's on holiday / away on pilgrimage / making an exchange visit so frequently that we really don't need to interact. He just turns up when he turns up, and finds a music list in his stall. VERY different from my previous incumbent, who was a true Saint.   However, it takes all sorts.....   MOC.   -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:55 Subject: Re: treatment of choirs     > > >Mark Checkley wrote: > >> How very insecure you must be, to need to launch >> such a tirade !! > >No, Mark, I'm not. As a matter of fact, last year at the Parish Meeting when the >pledges didn't come up to the projected budget, fifteen members of the parish >stood up and pledged the entire amount of my full-time (albeit modest) salary on >the spot. Within reason, I've gotten everything I've needed for the music >program ... additional Leslies for the Hammond, paid section leaders for Holy >Week, a decent budget to buy music (this is a new parish in rented space .... >hence the Hammond and the lack of a choir library), a practice piano, additional >vestments, etc. etc. etc. > >> Of course a Church Choir cannot be a democracy; >> for the simple reason that it would take too long >> to make the necessary decisions. >> >> HOWEVER the wise Choirmaster, whilst he may >> ignore the whims of various INDIVIDUALS, does >> not go against a CONSENSUS in an Adult, >> AMATEUR organisation. > >Nor do I ... when I wanted to re-introduce ruffs and Canterbury caps, I = got >voted down, at least until my 75-year-old mezzo soloist (who's the = DEAREST >person in the world and a CRACKERJACK musician) retires. OK, fine; not necessary >to salvation. > >> I am quite certain that my "back row" (2A, 3T, 5B) >> would ALL have their feathers ruffled if required >> to sing more than just the last verse in unison. > >Mine could care less. Different strokes. End of story. > >> So, being a SENSIBLE Choirmaster, with ENOUGH >> Men in the Choir (but none too many) I don't rattle their >> cages on the Altar of my own ego. > >EVERY music program is a reflection of the tastes and personality of the >organist/choirmaster to some extent ... ego, if you will. As to sensible, = I >LISTENED to my choir and held back the Mozart until NEXT Pentecost. The Rector >wanted us to sing all summer; they said "no", and I backed them up. > >> After all, as you rightly say, it's THEIR Church; all but >> two of them pre-date me, and they have far more >> right, when in CONSENSUS, to dictate policy than I . > >They ALL predate me, some going back to the founding of the Parish = eighteen >years ago. The choir has grown (and, I'd like to think, improved) under = my >direction; both they and I take lawful pride in their progress. But = POLICY, by >the Canon Law of the Anglican Catholic Church (not to be confused with = the >American Episcopal Church or the Church of England and her various = daughter >churches), belongs to the RECTOR, who may CHOOSE (and he does) to delegate most >day-to-day decisions to me. BOTH of us are bound by the rubrics of the = old >Prayer Book, which is our official Prayer Book. > >But I cannot for the life of me see why unison singing is such a big = issue .... >whenever we introduce a new hymn (which only happens about twice a year = ... they >pretty much have the standard repertoire "down"), we ALWAYS sing it in unison. >If a hymn has a difficult tune, we sing in unison until the congregation "gets >going". That's just common sense. > >As I indicated below, they sing a good deal of serious, complicated polyphonic >music and Gregorian Chant (which, horror of horrors, is not only in = unison but >sung ANTIPHONALLY between the women and the men, so they don't get to = sing >every verse of everything ... a complaint that I DID hear in a couple of = my >former parishes), so it's not that we'd have to spend additional time learning >the parts in the hymns ... when parts are called for, they read them = right off. > >There IS a danger in any dissident group such as ours of what we call the "take >my marbles and go home" syndrome. This parish has withstood a couple of major >upheavals caused by that kind of (dare I say) unchristian behaviour; as a result >they have a rather low opinion of ANYBODY who "has to have it their own way". > >My choir rehearses two and a half hours on Wednesday; during Advent and Lent >they rehearse an additional TWO hours after High Mass. The ONLY time = ANYONE >misses rehearsal or service is if they're ill or out of town on business .... and >if they know they're going to be gone, they sign out on a sheet posted on the >back of the organ console, so I'll know ahead of time if I'll be short of >singers for a particular Sunday or Holy Day. I didn't have to lay down = the law >to get that kind of cooperation ... I simply say (or THEY say), "we = really need >some extra time to learn this or that", and they all show up. Every week. Every >Sunday. Every Holy Day. I must be doing SOMETHING right. > >Cheers, > >Bud > >> >> >> Mark Checkley. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 03:18 >> Subject: Re: treatment of choirs >> >> >The choir's FIRST duty is to LEAD the congregation in the hymns and = the >> >Ordinary of the Mass. THAT they do by singing the tune (except in the >> Gloria, >> >which the CONGREGATION sings in parts). And they don't sing ALL the hymns >> in >> >unison ... just the pro and the rec. The sermon hymn (when there is = one) >> and >> >the communion hymn they sing in parts. They also sing the Introit, Gradual, >> >Alleluia, Anthem, Communion, Psalm and Motet in parts, which is PLENTY for >> >them. >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >Bud >> > >> >P.S. - I'm old enough and big enough and ugly enough that choirs have >> finally >> >quit trying to blackmail me by "not standing" for this, that or the other >> >thing. Either they're there to sing for the glory of God (AND for = me!), or >> >there's the door. My choir loves me, and I love them, but my choir = loft is >> a >> >benevolent dictatorship. In point of fact, THEY have asked a couple of >> people >> >to leave who thought to come in and "take over the music". On the = other >> hand, >> >when they say "no" and I know that they really MEAN "no", I listen. I asked >> >them if we could pull off the Mozart "Veni Sancte Spiritus" for Pentecost >> >with extra rehearsals. They said, "no, we're tired; it's the end of = the >> >season; wait till the new open scores come in the Fall ... this old >> >closed-score Kalmus edition is too hard to read." We have THAT kind of give >> >and take, but as to WHAT the music is (for the most part) and HOW it's done >> >... I'm not ABOUT to take a vote on how to arrange the antiphonal singing >> in >> >the psalms -- I tell them what it's to be, and they do it. Ditto the hymns. >> >And I've NEVER been in a church (as a chorister OR an organist) where it >> was >> >otherwise. And, incidentally, that is my MANDATE from the Rector. >> > >> >We have lots of fun; there's been exactly ONE dust-up in the choir in the >> two >> >years I've been there, and it turned out it had to do with one of the >> bass's >> >meds being out of whack and had NOTHING to do with the music. They HAD = a >> >musical troika (tenor soloist, choir director, organist) before I = came; >> >they're having NONE of music-by-committee (grin). If they don't like >> >something, they SAY so, but it's THEIR church; they DON'T walk. And usually >> >if I explain "why", they go along. >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >Bud >> > >> >Mark Checkley wrote: >> > >> >> Don't think my Choir Men would be too happy about all that >> >> unison hymnsinging. >> >> >> >> I certainly wouldn't stand for it, if I was in your Alto department = !! >> >> >> >> I would be inclined to wonder why I was there. >> >> >> >> MOC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >> >> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> >> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:28 >> >> Subject: treatment of hymns >> >> >> >> >Free hymn accompaniments, improvisations, modulations, etc. must be in >> >> >Anglicans' genes ... the first Sunday I played at St. Matthew's, I did >> >> >all of the above as a matter of course, and nobody batted an eye, except >> >> >to say, "Gee! That was exciting! The people really SANG!" Which, we >> >> >should never forget, is the PURPOSE of flossying up the hymns in = the >> >> >first place. >> >> > >> >> >In fairness, most of my people are refugees from St. Luke's = Episcopal in >> >> >Long Beach, which had a long and distinguished history of = traditional >> >> >Anglican service-playing and choir singing in the high Victorian English >> >> >style; and from Blessed Sacrament Episcopal in Placentia, which at one >> >> >time was an old-line Anglo-Catholic parish. So while they'd never heard >> >> >it AT ST. MATTHEW'S, they'd certainly HEARD it. >> >> > >> >> >We always sing the processional and recessional hymns in unison = from >> >> >start to finish ... I dislike hearing the parts go by if I'm = sitting in >> >> >the congregation ... not unlike listening to the doppler effect of = a >> >> >train going by (grin) ... so I don't have to tell them ahead of = time >> >> >what I'm going to do in those. Occasionally I DO tell them if I'm going >> >> >to improvise a partita between verses of the communion hymn ... = their >> >> >term for that (which I discovered written in their hymnals) is "Bud >> >> >gonna go nuts" (grin). >> >> > >> >> >There's a fairly major (if short) improvisation after the Gospel every >> >> >Sunday (usually on the Alleluia melody) to get the Gospel = procession >> >> >back to the Sanctuary. I practically ALWAYS improvise the closing >> >> >voluntary at Evensong, usually on the Office Hymn. >> >> > >> >> >I've gathered quite an audience for the closing voluntaries, both = at >> >> >Mass and at Evensong ... they come and sit in the choir stalls (if >> >> >there's any room ... most of the choir stays as well) and in the = back >> >> >pews, or just stand around the console. And this has occurred in a >> >> >relatively short period of time since Easter last. I'm not PLAYING >> >> >anything different ... I guess they just NOTICED (grin). >> >> > >> >> >I can't think of anything more BORING that playing ALL the verses = of ALL >> >> >the hymns with the same harmonization, Hyfrydol included (grin). >> >> > >> >> >Cheers, >> >> > >> >> >Bud >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> >> >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> >> >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> >> >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> >> >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics >> >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > >> > >> >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: organ transplant(s) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 05:14:44 -0700   If I were twenty-five years younger, I would ... at this point it's a = toss-up who'll need a transplant first ... me or the church (grin).   I DID lead a WONDERFUL transplant about thirty years ago in Cincinnati ... = an untouched Koehnken & Grimm tracker ... Koehnken was a German/American = builder located in Cincinnati, who apprenticed with Schwab, who apprenticed with = one of the Silbermanns ... his organs are typical mild South German ... full chorus on the Hauptwerk, collection of soft color stops on the = Schwellwerk, a couple of basic Pedal stops. We even restored the hand pump, and there IS = a difference in the sound when the wind is raised by hand, rather than by a blower. Nothing you can REALLY put your finger on ... the organ just = seemed more responsive and "singing".   I do face a difficulty with most of the organs available for transplant = ... except for a few Koehnkens and Hooks that have detached and reversed consoles, most have keydesks attached to the case ... difficult (but not impossible) for an organist/choirmaster to direct with his back to the = choir.   Cheers,   Bud   Mark Checkley wrote:   > A transplant is precisely what you require, thus saving > some worthy instrument from disuse or worse, whilst > equipping yourself appropriately at the same time. > > Go for it. > > MOC. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:02 > Subject: choir versus organ (NOT!) > > >I think I'm a moderately competent organist, albeit somewhat reduced in > >repertoire due to age and infirmity. > > > >St. Matthew's has a perfectly DREADFUL digital Hammond/Suzuki at the > >moment ... all the Leslies in the western WORLD aren't gonna redeem = THAT > >beast to any perceptible extent. The church is struggling to put the > >financing package together for the new building; absent an "angel", it > >looks like I'll be playing the Hammond for awhile, unless I bestir > >myself to lead an organ "transplant". > > > >I have a REALLY fun choir, congenially crazy after the manner of > >Anglican choir singers, who (as they say) don't have the good sense NOT > >to tackle just about ANYTHING I put in front of them... I'm chewing on = a > >performance of Stainer's "The Crucifixion" for next Lent, or maybe > >Maunder's "Penitence, Pardon and Peace" (!) ... anybody ever done THAT > >one??!! > > > >As a result, I spend a LOT more time writing, arranging and researching > >music for the choir, and relatively little time on the organ music. To > >be sure, there's a respectable opening and closing voluntary every > >Sunday, titles printed in the service list (and most of the time I > >actually PLAY what I PRINT), but our people don't get there until five > >minutes before service time, and it takes all of two minutes to empty > >the church at the end, so organ literature isn't real high on my list = of > >priorities at the moment. > > > >Historically most Anglican organists have been good players, but the > >"meat and potatos" of what I do is the choral SERVICE in all its > >sometimes maddening complexity (and beauty). I see no reason to fault > >other listmembers who can field the kinds of service lists I've seen > >posted for Evensong (for instance), just because they're choirmasters > >first and organists second. To my way of thinking, that SHOULD be the > >order of importance, at least for an Anglican organist. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Bud > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat..org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: volunteer vs paid organists From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:18:50 +0100   I doubt the lack of an Organist will cause the Church to close forever.   The more likely result is that someone will play the Piano, or they will sing the hymns unaccompanied, as they did in my previous Parish for the FIVE YEARS before my arrival, during which they had no organised music at all. The Church didn't close; far from it - and they took good care of the Organ, even though no-one was playing it.   What certainly will NOT happen, because it cannot, is that a small church with an annual income of, say, =A330, 000 will suddenly decide to fund a full time Organist and Choirmaster at - absolute minimum - =A315, 000 p.a..   That won't happen because it can't happen and saying it should happen or it must happen is not going to make it possible for it to happen.   MOC.   -----Original Message----- From: KriderSM@aol.com <KriderSM@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:13 Subject: volunteer vs paid organists     >budchris@earthlink.net wrote: > ><snip> I'm not independently wealthy, and being an organist/choirmaster = is >how I make my >LIVING. > >I am retired. I CAN do the playing for nothing - given the choice of a = free >organist or nor organist, the church gets the free organist. > > >Churches who don't pay their musicians are lulled into a false sense of >>security/economy. > >OTOH, the church is so very appreciative of the fact that the organist's >salary was used to pay the utility bills for so many years. > > >>Someday, there WON'T be three organists who are happy >>to do it for nothing; and THEN there will be wailing and gnashing of = teeth in >>the Parish Council when they discover how much a competent organist = COSTS in >>the real world. > >OTOH The wailing and knashing of teeth will come as the Parish Council >anguishes over how to inform the congregation that the church must now close >its doors forever. > >IMHO In certain corners of Bud's "real world" there are congregations who are >going bankrupt, yet want to serve their flock to the very end. They = cannot >afford the electricity for turning the organ blower on, let alone paying = a >decent wage. > >Folks, please stop attacking those who would question your points of = view. >State your opinions rationally, then listen to other perspectives. > >Stan Krider > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: village organists redux From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 05:27:53 -0700   I've done the village organist bit, and it's great fun. In Cincinnati there was a beautiful old Anglo-Catholic church called St. Michael and All Angels that had fallen on evil days (mostly due to tinkering with the liturgy, I have to add).   Several organists (myself included) took turns bringing our choirs down to St. Michael's to sing Evensong on Sundays and Mass on Holy Days just to keep the doors open.   When I was recovering from one of my surgeries, I played in a delightful little Episcopal church on the edge of the desert here in California ... I went to Mass there for the first time, discovered they had no organist, and offered to play. By the time I left, they had a choir again (for the first time in twenty years) and had placed an order for a new Allen to replace the moribund Hammond Concert Model (yes, you CAN kill a Hammond, if you don't oil its parts in a church where the temp in the summer exceeded 120F ... the speaker cones in the box up by the peak of the roof were positively CRUMBLING.)   I have nothing but the greatest respect for unpaid village organists who keep the music going, year after year.   The number of full-time Anglican organists in the U.S. IS dwindling, and yes, we are (and always have been) a minority, but at least the larger city churches and churches like St. Matthew's with VERY exacting liturgical requirements seem to manage to find the money somewhere. In fairness, the average income in Newport Beach is well in excess of $100K (grin). It's a VEDDY upscale area ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: organ transplant(s) From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:24:07 +0100   I, of course, would not face that problem. Either I would play and one of the girls would conduct (I would follow her in the mirror) or, more usually, vice versa. As neither of us would be paid <grin> there wouldn't be an issue.   What is wrong with your health ? Are you seriously ill ?   MOC. -----Original Message----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 01:24 Subject: organ transplant(s)     >If I were twenty-five years younger, I would ... at this point it's a toss-up >who'll need a transplant first ... me or the church (grin). > >I DID lead a WONDERFUL transplant about thirty years ago in Cincinnati = ... an >untouched Koehnken & Grimm tracker ... Koehnken was a German/American builder >located in Cincinnati, who apprenticed with Schwab, who apprenticed with one >of the Silbermanns ... his organs are typical mild South German ... full >chorus on the Hauptwerk, collection of soft color stops on the = Schwellwerk, a >couple of basic Pedal stops. We even restored the hand pump, and there IS = a >difference in the sound when the wind is raised by hand, rather than by a >blower. Nothing you can REALLY put your finger on ... the organ just = seemed >more responsive and "singing". > >I do face a difficulty with most of the organs available for transplant = ... >except for a few Koehnkens and Hooks that have detached and reversed >consoles, most have keydesks attached to the case ... difficult (but not >impossible) for an organist/choirmaster to direct with his back to the choir. > >Cheers, > >Bud > >Mark Checkley wrote: > >> A transplant is precisely what you require, thus saving >> some worthy instrument from disuse or worse, whilst >> equipping yourself appropriately at the same time. >> >> Go for it. >> >> MOC. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:02 >> Subject: choir versus organ (NOT!) >> >> >I think I'm a moderately competent organist, albeit somewhat reduced = in >> >repertoire due to age and infirmity. >> > >> >St. Matthew's has a perfectly DREADFUL digital Hammond/Suzuki at the >> >moment ... all the Leslies in the western WORLD aren't gonna redeem = THAT >> >beast to any perceptible extent. The church is struggling to put the >> >financing package together for the new building; absent an "angel", it >> >looks like I'll be playing the Hammond for awhile, unless I bestir >> >myself to lead an organ "transplant". >> > >> >I have a REALLY fun choir, congenially crazy after the manner of >> >Anglican choir singers, who (as they say) don't have the good sense = NOT >> >to tackle just about ANYTHING I put in front of them... I'm chewing on = a >> >performance of Stainer's "The Crucifixion" for next Lent, or maybe >> >Maunder's "Penitence, Pardon and Peace" (!) ... anybody ever done THAT >> >one??!! >> > >> >As a result, I spend a LOT more time writing, arranging and = researching >> >music for the choir, and relatively little time on the organ music. To >> >be sure, there's a respectable opening and closing voluntary every >> >Sunday, titles printed in the service list (and most of the time I >> >actually PLAY what I PRINT), but our people don't get there until five >> >minutes before service time, and it takes all of two minutes to empty >> >the church at the end, so organ literature isn't real high on my list = of >> >priorities at the moment. >> > >> >Historically most Anglican organists have been good players, but the >> >"meat and potatos" of what I do is the choral SERVICE in all its >> >sometimes maddening complexity (and beauty). I see no reason to fault >> >other listmembers who can field the kinds of service lists I've seen >> >posted for Evensong (for instance), just because they're choirmasters >> >first and organists second. To my way of thinking, that SHOULD be the >> >order of importance, at least for an Anglican organist. >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >Bud >> > >> > >> >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > >> > >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >