PipeChat Digest #944 - Sunday, June 20, 1999
 
Re: sung vs said
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: organ transplant(s)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
really off topic....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by "Ray Sheppard" <witsend@ovis.net>
Fw: really off topic....
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: volunteer vs paid organists
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Pig-ignorance; two can play.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc.
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: sung vs said From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:02:06 -0500 (CDT)   At 05:43 PM 6/19/99 +0100, you wrote: >Well now, I think you may be wrong there. > >Five hundred years ago it was 1499 > >The Book of Common Prayer did not exist. > >It would have been Vespers, and it would have >been in Latin.   Vespers was popularly referred to in the vernacular as Evensong whether in Latin or otherwise. The Oxford English Dictionary gives the first occurrence of Evensong in a printed book as 1486. Printing, of course, = was only invented in around 1455.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: organ transplant(s) From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:15:20 -0400 (EDT)       ><< most have keydesks attached to the case > ... difficult (but not impossible) for an > organist/choirmaster to direct with his back to > the choir. >> In addition to seating the choir on each side of the console, a mirror place strategically over the keydest can give the director eye and face contact with a choir that's behind him. I worked in this situation successfully as a direct and as a chorister.   In addition, mirrors are much easier and cheaper to move around than organs when the musicans change.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Barking dogs don't bite, but they themselves don't know it. -- Shalom Aleichem    
(back) Subject: really off topic.... From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:55:26 EDT   greetings,   I realize this has nothing to do with organs.........but I'm doing this for a friend and since there are people on these lists from =   all over the USA and Canada...........why not? Does anyone out there live = in an area where they still play "Maude" on TV? Actually, there's a Hammond organ in the theme song, so it is organ-related! Thanks.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: Ray Sheppard <witsend@ovis.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:21:49 -0400       N Brown wrote:   > > >>Especially since HRH Prince Edward is not "quite" the marrying > type!<< > > Her highness, the Ms. Rhys-Jones (pardon if spelled wrongly) thinks he > is. Just one question: Is she related to the chap that was the sole > survivor of a famous Paris traffic accident? --Neil > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   As an American, an Anglo-Catholic, and perhaps a secret monarchist, do I detect a snide crack about HRH the Prince Edward? This is their day and I think perhaps we could hold the axes BEHIND our backs until the Royal honeymoon is over, and then anyone who feels so compelled can have at the new couple. Until then, just possibly we can put our prejudices and suspicious natures away? :-)    
(back) Subject: Fw: really off topic.... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:24:38 -0500   "Maude" is on Nick-At-Night in most areas of the US.   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> To: organchat@onelist.com <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 10:20 PM Subject: really off topic....     >greetings, > > I realize this has nothing to do with organs.........but >I'm doing this for a friend and since there are people on these lists = from >all over the USA and Canada...........why not? Does anyone out there live in >an area where they still play "Maude" on TV? Actually, there's a Hammond >organ in the theme song, so it is organ-related! Thanks. > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:32:43 -0400 (EDT)   Mr. Sheppard, I was defending the royal couple. Since I don't know any of supposed stories, I would not make a wisecrack on such an important day. I was merely affirming Sophie's wisdom in selecting a husband, period. I think they have a good shot at making their life together wonderful and their marriage very long lasting. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:55:04 PDT     >It seems to me that comparing Ms. Sills to Ms. Grant to Ms Patti is >comparing >apples to apples. These are all professional musicians.     Spare me. And anyone who uses a calculator is a CPA, just as anyone who applies a bandaid is a doctor. Why don't we compare Zamphyr and James Galway while we're at it. Or Courtney Love and guitarist Segovia? My mission is to prepare for worship and do the best work possible. Those = who share my vision will join the choir and a growing program, those who don't =   find some other avenue to help. There is nothing more painful to me than = to listen to anyone sing or play music way beyond their gifts, regardless of how the name of God is invoked. We've all seen the "Christians" who hide behind the name of God instead of living in His grace. It's not "Bless = our work" but "Help us to do the work You would bless."       A more apt comparison >would be any of these three ladies to "Alice Alto", who couldn't get off =   >'a >(above middle c)' to save her soul, but who sings that 'a' to and for = God >every >week, to the best of her God given ability, and with all the enthusiasm = God >has, >in His grace, given her   There are abilities, then there are gifts, that's why it's called a volunteer choir. There's some mention in the Bible about the gift of prophesy, speaking in tongues, whatever. Not everyone who walks thru the doors to rehearsal is "gifted" with music. Some people in my church = realize their gifts elsewhere in the church but, because they like the work I do = and how much better the choir is singing, donate anthems on a regular basis to =   the choral library. One of my altos, although she's aware of her limitations, has donated 8 anthems since I began 3/1/99. I must be doing something right.   > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: volunteer vs paid organists From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:10:09 -0700   You don't mean Sacred Heart CATHEDRAL in Newark, do you? That's a = GORGEOUS building, with a HUGE old romantic Schantz.   But ... it's a fact of life ... populations shift, churches close. That's where Organ Clearing House gets most of their organs.   Bud   N Brown wrote:   > >>The wailing and knashing of teeth will come as the Parish Council > anguishes over how to inform the congregation that the church must now > close its doors forever.<< > > > To prove your point, Mr. Krider, just up the road in Elizabeth, NJ, a > beautiful old catholic church (the name escapes me now) is in danger of > being closed and used only for weddings and funerals. The congregation > is now attempting a fundraising campaign to save the building. Anyone > who has ever flown into Newark Intl. Airport from the south has probably > seen this beautiful building. The diocese says there are not enough > people left to justify keeping it open, and that the remaining ones > should move to another parish. I look forward to watching this in the > coming months. To keep this on topic, I don't have any idea what > kind of organ they have (there on topic). --Neil Brown > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Pig-ignorance; two can play. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:01:44 PDT         >From: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >Reply-To: "Mark Checkley" <xcs53@dial.pipex.com> >To: <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> >Subject: Pig-ignorance; two can play. >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:05:32 +0100 > >Has anyone told you what a total fucking wanker you are ? > >Well, they have now. > >Mark Checkley.     Mark,   Is this what you mean by preaching the Gospel?   Ray Ahrens     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:07:13 PDT         >It isn't THERE to provide people like you with a >living, and the Church CERTAINLY isn't. > I'll bet your priest is well educated and reasonably compensated. Why = can't the musician expect the same?       _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:11:34 PDT   >C. If Music could not be provided by appropriately qualified and paid >professionals >then there should be no music at all. >   What do you have against salaries for musicians? Bravo to you for volunteering your time. I'll bet that pays the rent and keeps the pantry stocked.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: virtuosic hymn-playing, etc. From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:16:07 PDT     > >(However, make no mistake, when he DID give a direct >instruction, it was plainly an instruction, not an invitation to >open a subject for debate. You did it, at once and without >question. Otherwise you would have been history.)   Perhaps things are different in America. I'm wondering how attendance = would fare if any type of minister talked to a volunteer in that manner. Also wonder how hospitals would function without volunteers. Thank God for Independence Day and the Bill of Rights. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com