PipeChat Digest #949 - Monday, June 21, 1999
Fw: volunteer vs paid organists
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Language and attitudes
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Parish consolidation
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
parish consolidations
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Parish consolidation
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: consolidating
  by "Bill" <WGWUTILS@webtv.net>

(back) Subject: Fw: volunteer vs paid organists From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:44:43 -0500   Actually, the instrument is just a 2m/4r Wicks-in-cabinet job. No biggy -16-foot bass (pump organ-type) reeds in the pedal.     -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 9:30 PM Subject: Re: volunteer vs paid organists     >The organs were spared however -one was even moved across the street to a high school gym to escape the holocost.<   Pipe organs in gyms -- now THAT is a wedding of music and sport!! The wood floors ought to do wonders for the 16 footers!! --Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Language and attitudes From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:06:03 -0400 (EDT)   Sorry to vent to the list, before. Obviously, my post was made before I had read the list owners' remarks. I, too, enjoy the wonderful opportunity for learning and sharing that this list offers. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Parish consolidation From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:23:03 -0500   At 09:06 AM 6/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >On parish consolidating... Here in central corn-country Indiana, several >parishes were ordered to close ranks and everybody go to one church miles >more away.   I always hate to hear about churches closing down and parishes being forced to abandon their old buildings. Just thinking of the architectural loss alone makes me cry...and I find myself wanting to slit my wrists when I think of the architectural garbage that all to often ends up replacing = them. A personal fantasy of mine has always been to purchase one of these old buildings and incorporate it into a music school (centered around the organ, 'natch). Sure, some folks might get bent out of shape about = turning a church into a secular hall, but it would make a lovely centerpiece for a community singing society and a great place for kids to take lessons and experience music. Sigh...I think I'll go buy those PowerBall tickets now.   Robert Horton - DMA Student, University of Kansas 1603 West 15th St. #207A, Lawrence, KS 66044 http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "What do you do if we see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant?"  
(back) Subject: parish consolidations From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:36:17 -0500   +AD4-Old architectual beauties replaced with modern-day attrocities.+ADw-   The two Catholic churches I mentioned date back to the Book of Genesis. = No sound-proof ceiling tiles, no carpeting --instead, vaulted roofs and rafters, the origional alters, and stone/plaster walls, pews harder than h+ACoAKgAq- with kneel pads -OUCH+ACEAIQ- Around here, people sort of took things in their own hands regarding their beloved churches. In one town , the congregation actually BOUGHT the (stone granite) = building from the Indy diocese.(sp?)   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Parish consolidation From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:22:26 -0400 (EDT)   Robert, and my longtime fantasy has been to buy one of those old buildings, convert it into a home with a pipe orgn already built in. the music school idea has real merit. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Half-trained organists who juts get by in Church. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:28:49 -0400 (EDT)   Thank you Frank for your thank you. I wish there was some way to convince folks that we AGOers are not the stuff-shirted elitist snoots we are purported to be (atleast we aren't in my chapter). --Neil    
(back) Subject: congratulations From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:33:54 -0700   PETER! CONGRATULATIONS!   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: consolidating From: WGWUTILS@webtv.net (Bill) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:15:24 -0400 (EDT)   Yes, this seems to be typical of Midwest farm community churches - they all work together for their common good and that of the community that they serve. This also envolves the rural crossroad churches from the area surrounding the village - each church in succession holds a "community gathering" night and the congregation of all other area churches, regardless of denomination, are invited to participate. As is becoming more and more common with rural churches, the minister or pastor of one church often now travels to perform the Service at another outlying church thus helping reduce the financial load of maintaining those churches. At least, very few of these very small churches are closed. It is more convenient for one minister to travel to the outlying church than for it's entire congregation to travel enmass and saturate the village churches which are in themselves only of sufficient size to handle the village people.   Of interest to this thread, I inhereted a beautiful glazed wall plate from my mother which pictures to honour all four village churches along with the before and after St.Joseph's RC church: the new one (1970) in the center of the plate and the old building (1872) at the top; to the left is a picture of the (First) Brethren church (1909), to the right is the Seminary UMC (1902, formerly was the Seminary Evangelical United Brethren Church - the seminary was once supported by it to train, I believe, people for the missionary service); and on the bottom is the Christ UMC (1929).   I believe this plate was produced as part of the new RC church financing campaign in the village. This is a perfect example of all denoinations working together. The same was true when the Seminary UMC rebuilt their 2/6 Tellers-Kent organ (1902) - nearly everyone in the village and surrounding area purchassed a key from the old console as a means to finance the rebuild. Once completed, a hugh recital followed (one of the few events I made it back for).   Interesting statistics from the back of the plate:   "The original St.Joseph RC church was purchased from the Presbyterians in (date unreadable) and has been served by 20 Pastors. Originally had 22 families and now has 132 families (remember, this is about 1970 or just before). Replaced by new structure in 1970.   The Brethern Church built in 1909 has had 26 Ministers.   The Seminary UM, consructed in 1902, remodeled in 1960, served by 34 Ministers.   The Christ UM, built iin 1929, has had 11 Ministers."   Hope you don't mind the long post - as you can see, I am very proud of my original home village. Bill Winchester, now retired in Florida.