PipeChat Digest #955 - Thursday, June 24, 1999
 
Re: Classifieds and Organ Home Page
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: 64' full-length
  by "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net>
re:United Centers 3M Allen
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Fw: 64' Basses
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: 64' Basses
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Kilgen Theatre Pipe Organs
  by "Bob & Sally Evans" <orgnloft@MA.ultranet.com>
Re: Royal Wedding Music
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Raleigh, NC
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: SAVE THE AUSTIN?- console unwiring.
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: 64' Basses & Chicago Stadium
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Kilgen Theatre Pipe Organs
  by "Walter W. Davis" <wdavis@electrotex.com>
Re: SAVE THE AUSTIN?- console unwiring.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Kilgen Theatre Pipe Organs
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@hit.net>
Re: historic organs
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
"America" - Variations
  by <ProOrgo48@aol.com>
Re: Raleigh, NC
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: historic organs
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: SAVE THE AUSTIN?- console unwiring.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
QUIZ TIME
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Methodists.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@hit.net>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
QUIZ
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: QUIZ
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Classifieds and Organ Home Page From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:52:56 -0700   Scott: it's   http://barton.theatreorgans.com/AdSearch.ASP   Cheers,   Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > Caon anyone please provide me with the info on how to list a Hammond for = sale > (again) on the organ home page (or wherever it was)? I do not remember = the > contact info and would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks so much! > > Scott Foppiano > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: 64' full-length From: antoni scott <ascott@epix.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:20:11 -0400   Hi Wayne:   I have played the organ at Atlantic City. I played several pieces using the 64' Diaphone Profunda. How can I best explain what the 64' Diaphone Profunda sounds like. On its own it is almost unmusical in the bottom octave ( 32' down to 64'), not too loud, just right. Each note sounds like you are saying Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da quickly. It would never be played on its own anyway. Together with the proper Pedal stops it adds a wonderful bass that cannot be ever duplicated by a Resultant 64 ( i.e. a 32' and a 22-2/3' played together. It sounds like an earthquake is in progress ( maybe it is !!!). Try listening to Tim Hoag near the end of 'Old Man River' or Steven Smith playing the Liszt "Ad Nos". Hang on to you seat, because this will blow your mind as well as the speakers. During the warmup I played Bach's Toccata in D Minor with the Full organ and Pedal including the 64' Diaphone Profunda. What a sound to behold !!! What an organ !!! A more clean cut version using the Diapason Chorus and a single 16' Dulzian ended up on the CD.   As for the 128'. I have not heard of a single 128' stop ever ending up in an organ. I have heard of, but cannot substantiate, that a Resultant 128' has existed. I cannot believe that it would sound any good since the 64' would have to be a combination of a 32' and a 22-2/3' and the 128' resultant would have to come from a 64 and a 42-2/3' which is possible to derive from a 22-2/3' and its 5th (what ever that would be). I think the whole thing would sound like an unrecognizable rumble with an indistinct pitch. The Midmer Losh on the other hand has a true length 64' and its fifth (42-2/3') available which played together would give a resultant 128'. I have not heard it this way, although it could be done.   Antoni Scott   WAYNE_BURCHAM@RSAUSA.COM wrote: > > At 7:45 AM -0500 6/22/99, VEAGUE wrote: > >No 32s at LIU, but the Sydney (Aus.) Town Hall monster has a 64 > >Trombone -full length I understand. > > But that isn't a gym although it does have the only full length 64' reed = in > the world. The other 64', which is a Diaphone, is in the Atlantic City > Convention Hall, a multi-purpose room which has hosted football, > basketball, boxing, etc. Not a dedicated gym but has been used as such > along with numerous other uses. > > David > > When I played for some convention in the late 70's at the Minneapolis > Auditorium, I recall that the organ had a full-length 32' flue and 64' > Resultant, but, alas, no full-length 64'. For those of you that have = ever heard > a full-length 64' reed or flue, can you describe the sound? Is it = correct that > a 64' would be 8 cycles/second? As an addendum, has a full-length 128' = ever > existed? Would the undulations resemble an earthquake and cause the = building to > collapse? Just wondering. > > Wayne > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: re:United Centers 3M Allen From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:31:45 -0500   >Sometimes you need to be careful what you ask for,,,organist got what he >wanted. > >Too Bad!!! > >jch   PS There was some discusssion about sampling the Barton and incorporating = it into the Allen to preserve the Stadium organ sound. Even if that were true how much could you preserve pumping the Allen through the pubic address system..(typo intended)   jch >-----Original Message----- >From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> >To: e-mail organ chat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 9:06 AM >Subject: Fw: United Center's 3m Allen > > >>GOOD!!! Keep him in his room with that awful plug-in.      
(back) Subject: Fw: 64' Basses From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:51:30 -0500   Bill... WGN might have past trans.   Rick   -----Original Message----- From: Bill <WGWUTILS@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 9:45 AM Subject: Re: 64' Basses     Rick and fellow listers: I somewhat remember as a very young fellow (Yes, I once was that :-) listening to live sports broadcast from the Chicago Statium on radio - even on the old Philco and Magavox tube type consoles it was possible to realize the power of that organ. Do you suppose that there might possibly be rebroadcast transcriptions still in existence? Was the originating broadcasting station WGN? WGL? ... How could we find out?   Just a thought, Bill     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: 64' Basses From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:50:41 -0700   Do I perceive a "size thang" on this here list? (evil grin)   VEAGUE wrote:   > Bill... WGN might have past trans. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill <WGWUTILS@webtv.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: 64' Basses > > Rick and fellow listers: I somewhat remember as a very young fellow > (Yes, I once was that :-) listening to live sports broadcast from the > Chicago Statium on radio - even on the old Philco and Magavox tube type > consoles it was possible to realize the power of that organ. Do you > suppose that there might possibly be rebroadcast transcriptions still in > existence? Was the originating broadcasting station WGN? WGL? ... How > could we find out? > > Just a thought, Bill > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen Theatre Pipe Organs From: orgnloft@MA.ultranet.com (Bob & Sally Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:04:31 -0500   >>Are there any around anymore? If so, where and how large are they? >> >>Scott Foppiano     Scott: There's also a 3/8 in the convention hall in Asbury Park, N.J. I heard it on my way to the convention in "94.   Bob Evans > > > >   Bob's Wurlitzer Loft, Swansea, MA Home of "Rochelle" the Wurlitzer RJ-12 Pipe Organ      
(back) Subject: Re: Royal Wedding Music From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:49:56 -0500   >> I am interested in information about the Processional - March Heroique - >> Brewer >> Who Published this Piece? >> >It is published by Boosley & Hawkes, $13.95 ... contact Brenda Durden at >www.brendadurden@franticorganist.com and she can order it for you if she >does not have it in stock. > >Jason McGuire > It may also be available in a collection entitled _Processionals for organ: A collection of pieces by Brewer, Lemare, Ireland, Whitlock, Addison, and Cordell_, published by Novello in 1988. Of note in the collection is John Ireland's "Epic March" and Edwin Lemare's "Grand Cort=E8ge".   R. Runyon      
(back) Subject: Re: Raleigh, NC From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:59:25 EDT   In a message dated 6/23/99 4:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rohrschok8@webtv.net writes:   << If you can make it to Chapel Hill, there is also the 4m Skinner at St. Paul which was recently restored. That is another must see building. = >>   Is there, or are you thinking of Margaret Mueller's St. Paul's in Winston Salem, which does indeed have a splendid Skinner, just restored, I think = by Nick Thompson-Allen and Joe Dzeda, the Yale team?   I have not been following this thread very well, but there is a = magnificent Flentrop in St. Stephen's, Durham - do I have the right town? And, of = course, the Duke Chapel contains only three organs, each of great interest.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: SAVE THE AUSTIN?- console unwiring. From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:03:51 EDT   In a recent message, someone, I forget who, wrote:   ><< How does this apply to pipe organ >builders? It could be horribly expensive to > have to hire journeyman electricians to wire a > sizeable electro-pneumatic organ!!! >>   To which, in a message dated 6/23/99 4:32:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mr. =   Inkblot himself writes:   << Easily solved!! Organ builders can run trackers on their own!!! ;-) = >>   to which I have to say, well and truly done, Bruce!!   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: 64' Basses & Chicago Stadium From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:08:34 -0500   I find it interesting that the Chicago Stadium being discussed in this thread. Organ had some 32' Resultants and definitely no 64's.   There has been quite a bit of discussion of the Stadium organ in several thread including: Al Melgard & the National Anthem, 3M Allen at the United Center among some of them.   Unfortunately the stadium organist and Allen oversold the stadium = management on how they could give them so much better an organ installation in replacing the pipe organ. Original plans called for installing the pipe organ in the United Center and architects had planned for it. Some of the discussion was for = sampling the pipe organ and incorporating the tones into the TOASTER. From what I've = been told this never happened and it was pretty much a stock Allen.   Here is what the United Center got..   A 3M console which is away from the action and the organist watches the arena on TV screens. For cry from when he was prominently featured within view = of the entire arena at th 6M Barton Console in the old stadium.   The organ does not speak directly into the United Center. There are = speakers set up in a room and sound is picked up by two microphones and piped through = the PA system. The house system which was designed for announcement has a 400 hz low freq cut-off...really great for the organ. When the = installation was completed and it was obviously not what the United Center expected, the Allen representative recommended external bass speakers independent of the PA system. The UC balked at the cost of the speakers...to fix what they had been promised to be better than the old pipe organ. Personally I think Allen should have made it right = and put the speakers in to make it better.   In conclusion: Everybody is the loser on this. Stadium organ was lost, United Center has a lousy organ installation, and Allen certainly can't be very proud of it either. As for the organist...he got what he deserves....He was in a position to have saved the Stadium Barton.   regards,   Jon      
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen Theatre Pipe Organs From: "Walter W. Davis" <wdavis@electrotex.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:29:27 -0500     There is a large 3/? Rank Kilgen in storage in Oklahoma City. It was recently removed from the downtown Civic Center. I think there are plans = to reinstall it after renovations and enlargement of the center.   Is this the same Kilgen that was at one time in the studios of WKY in the Skirvin Tower Hotel?   Walter W. Davis Corpus Christi TX      
(back) Subject: Re: SAVE THE AUSTIN?- console unwiring. From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:37:27 -0700   At 09:03 PM 6/23/1999 EDT, you wrote:   ><< Easily solved!! Organ builders can run trackers on their own!!! ;-) = >>   Ya know...that Bruce knows EVER'THANG! ...including what kind of jap SUV organbuilders drive!!   hehehehehehehe!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen Theatre Pipe Organs From: Frank Johnson <usd465@hit.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:44:24 -0500 (CDT)   >There is a large 3/? Rank Kilgen in storage in Oklahoma City. It was >recently removed from the downtown Civic Center. I think there are plans = to >reinstall it after renovations and enlargement of the center. > >Is this the same Kilgen that was at one time in the studios of WKY in the >Skirvin Tower Hotel?   I corresponded with Ken Wright some years ago and he said the the WKY studio Kilgen did go to their civic building....whatever that was.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: historic organs From: TheOrganst@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:51:12 EDT   In a message dated 6/22/99 5:16:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << There's another unique organ that's underutilized and kept playing by dedicated volunteers: the outdoor Wurlitzer in the cemetery in Gardena, CA. Reportedly it's so loud that it can be heard ten miles away; the console is buried ten feet underground in a "bomb shelter" to shield the organist from the sound; it has a player mechanism so it could be activated for funeral processions when the organist wasn't available. >> Being the organist and curator at the above mentioned cemetery and = historic organ, I invite you all to visit my website for the Roosevelt Memorial = Park Organ in Gardena CA. <A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/theorganst/Page1.html#Roosevelt Memorial =   Park">Roosevelt Memorial Park (Page 1) </A>   Kyle B. Irwin  
(back) Subject: "America" - Variations From: ProOrgo48@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:12:25 EDT   (My country, 'tis of thee . . . )   DAVID N. JOHNSON Variations on "America" Augsburg 11-9513   It's a packet of a dozen (or so) settings, originally published and sold = for $1.50 for the whole packet.    
(back) Subject: Re: Raleigh, NC From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:43:58 -0400 (EDT)   >Is there, or are you thinking of Margaret > Mueller's St. Paul's in Winston Salem, which > does indeed have a splendid Skinner, just > restored, I think by Nick Thompson-Allen and > Joe Dzeda, the Yale team? Dang! Talk about disoriented..... it must be my tour guide's driving!!! It is Margaret Mueller's place in Winston-Salem. And if Margaret Mueller is the same organist who was there in 1979, then meeting her is worth the trip alone! What a sweet lady and fine organist.   >...there is a magnificent Flentrop in St. > Stephen's, Durham - do I have the right town? Oh goodie! I got that one right. I only wish that I knew then what I know now so that I could have fully appreciated that organ. It was fantastic to play and hear.   Thanks for the help, Malcolm! :-)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: Re: historic organs From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:10:38 -0400 (EDT)   Wow! What a fascinating organ and a great website. It's extremely well done, easily accessed, and quite interesting and informative. I heartily recommend a visit (and a check wouldn't hurt either!!) ;-)     HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/theorganst/Page1.html#Roosevelt Memorial Park">Roosevelt Memorial Park (Page 1)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: Re: SAVE THE AUSTIN?- console unwiring. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:20:25 -0500   Bob Scarborough wrote: > > At 09:03 PM 6/23/1999 EDT, you wrote: > > ><< Easily solved!! Organ builders can run trackers on their own!!! = ;-) >> > > Ya know...that Bruce knows EVER'THANG! ...including what kind of jap = SUV > organbuilders drive!! > > hehehehehehehe!   Oh! I wouldn't QUITEgo that far ...   John.  
(back) Subject: QUIZ TIME From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:35:05 -0400 (EDT)   Dear PipeChatters: My pastor decided we were going to have the congregation pick hymns to sing during the prelude times in July and August. Not a bad idea, but I took it upon myself to organize it so it will be worshipful and not chaotic. So, I created a form for people to list their favorite hymn and what service they attend. We inserted the form in last Sunday's bulletin and will do so again this week. Today, I sorted through last Sunday's responses in preparation for July 4th's bulletin. Ok here's the quiz. As of Wed. 6/23, what are the 2 most requested hymns? Anyone who guesses correctly will get a star from me. Good luck!!   --Neil Brown, Minister of Music First United Meth Church, Toms River, NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:38:25 EDT   hmmmm...   I'd almost bet that one of them is "How Great Thou Art". The second could = be anything, but let's try "Amazing Grace".  
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:46:26 -0400 (EDT)   Richard, I don't know how they worship in England. But in USA, they stand, sit, pray, sing, listen (some sleep). --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT)   Kurt, as John Bertalot says, "You're nearly right!" Neither of the two is the #1 requested hymn. --Neil   P.S.: Notice how I wrote the above, those of you who are playing.    
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:23:17 EDT   In a message dated 99-06-23 23:36:39 EDT, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << As of Wed. 6/23, what are the 2 most requested hymns? Anyone who guesses correctly will get a star from me. >> Amazing Grace How Great Thou Art or O For a Thousand Tongues (because the church is Methodist?) Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: Frank Johnson <usd465@hit.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:17:38 -0500 (CDT)   >Dear PipeChatters: My pastor decided we were going to have the >congregation pick hymns to sing during the prelude times in July and >August. Not a bad idea, but I took it upon myself to organize it so it >will be worshipful and not chaotic. > So, I created a form for people to list their favorite hymn and what >service they attend. We inserted the form in last Sunday's bulletin and >will do so again this week. >Today, I sorted through last Sunday's responses in preparation for July >4th's bulletin. > Ok here's the quiz. >As of Wed. 6/23, what are the 2 most requested hymns? > Anyone who guesses correctly will get a star from me. > Good luck!!     Amazing Grace is surely one of them.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:37:21 -0400 (EDT)   Sorry, Frank, no cigar. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:42:31 EDT   Neil; You're torturing us; the favorites are undoubtably regional! Kurt  
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:45:13 -0400 (EDT)   Not regional, Kurt. Everyone has been guessing within the right "ilk". Cheers. --Neil    
(back) Subject: QUIZ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:46:46 -0400 (EDT)   Ok, in fairness, #2 has been posted already, it's How Great Thou Art. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:38:03 EDT   Ahhh! Even out of the BB! Is "On Eagle's Wings" in the running?   Kurt