PipeChat Digest #957 - Saturday, June 26, 1999
 
Re: Methodists.
  by "Ian J Rees" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Fw: Hyfrydol
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
Re: Methodists.
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Methodists.
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
church question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: church question
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Top 5 Organ Pieces.....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Top 5 Organ Pieces.....
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Methodists. From: Ian J Rees <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:57:29 +0100     At 21:24 23/06/99 +0100, Richard Pinel wrote:   >I have been asked to play at a local Methodist church this Sunday = Morning, >and I was wondering what to expect - how do Methodists worship?   Dear Richard   I hope the following is useful to you. I play in a large Local Ecumenical Parish in Milton Keynes, and although I am attached to one of the 'Anglican' churches, my wife, who is a priest, often takes or attends services in the local Methodist Church.   The Methodist Church has recently brought out a new Service Book - which = is actually very good. If the service is Holy Communion, you will probably find it very similar to the Anglican Service Book Rite A. In fact it is almost more 'Anglican' than Rite A!! Otherwise, I suspect you will find a service of readings, prayers and sermon interspersed with hymns. I can't give much help on hymnbooks, apart from the Methodist Hymnbook, together with some of the more modern worship songs and choruses.   Although brought up C of E, I spent four very happy years as organist in a United Reformed Church in North West London, and it is an experience that has made a deep impact on me, particularly in the care, thought and prayer that went into the services. It also helped that I had a free hand in = what I could do musically.   Enjoy Sunday,   With best wishes   Ian       http://www.copemanhart.co.uk Email: info@copemanhart.co.uk   COPEMAN HART & COMPANY LTD Finedon Road IRTHLINGBOROUGH Northamptonshire, England, NN9 5TZ   Registered in England No 696548   Tel: 01933 652600 Fax: 01933 652288 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COPEMAN HART AMERICA Email Cpmnhartus@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COPEMAN HART AUSTRALIA Email hamilton.stives@bigpond.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:17:23 -0400   To all members of the Pipechat List:   Join the IRC Pipechatters on Monday evenings, or Friday evenings, at 9.00 pm Eastern Time.   If you are not too sure how you do it go to our Web Page at the following = URL:   http://www.pipechat.org   We have provided all the necessary information there for you to see how to get on to the IRC.   I hope to see you this evening!   "Sumer is a'cumin in"! - It is p.....g with rain here in Kingston, Ontario, Canada!   Bob Conway...      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Hyfrydol From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:57:46 -0700   Hi, there, sailor! Care to tell me what the last verse is to "Bringing in the Sheets"?   This message was temporarily lost in hyperspace, due to an upgrade to Win95. An upgrade to Juno4.0 caused it to return to an Earth orbit, where it was captured by an Official Discovery Channel Butterfly Net, and placed in my Inbox. Hence the delay in the smart-ass response.   Shalom, Preston Wilson p.wilson2@juno.com     On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:42:32 -0500 "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> writes: > Never heard of this hymn -will check it out. One of my faves is ' > Bringing In The Sheep '. The last, unpublished verse is unprintable AND unsuitable for Sunday mornings. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScottFop@aol.com <ScottFop@aol.com> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: Hyfrydol > > > >In a message dated 6/17/99 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >budchris@earthlink.net writes: > > > ><< Episcopalians > > would sing it every Sunday if they could get away with it. > > > >As would most other congregations in all probability. > > > > > > > >At St. Matthew's, they can't (grin). > > >> > > > >And THAT is indeed a very sad state of affairs. People know > Hyfrydol and > it > >is ONE of the hymns that people really CAN sing these days, > especially in > the > >wake of all the "fine" hymnody that has come about in the past > twenty or > >thirty years- esiecially in the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps > sticking to > >the traditional familiar hymns LONG ENOUGH (like for an entire > generation > or > >two) would enable congregations to actually build a repertoire of > music > they > >can sing robustly and assertively instead of learning a new batch > or > >contemporary, gimmicky "feel good" music every time some composer > gets a > whim > >and writes down some of the "new stuff" that seems to be plaguing > churches > of > >all denomonations these days. > > > >Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination > >National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists. From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:39:17 +0100   >Dear Richard > >I hope the following is useful to you. I play in a large Local = Ecumenical >Parish in Milton Keynes, and although I am attached to one of the >'Anglican' churches, my wife, who is a priest, often takes or attends >services in the local Methodist Church. > >The Methodist Church has recently brought out a new Service Book - which = is >actually very good. If the service is Holy Communion, you will probably >find it very similar to the Anglican Service Book Rite A. In fact it is >almost more 'Anglican' than Rite A!! Otherwise, I suspect you will find = a >service of readings, prayers and sermon interspersed with hymns. I can't >give much help on hymnbooks, apart from the Methodist Hymnbook, together >with some of the more modern worship songs and choruses.     Thanks a lot for this info. I have now got a rough service plan, and it is readings, prayers, and sermon indispersed with hymns. It turns out that = the church is actually United Reformed.   I will post details on Sunday, and about the organ. All I know at the = moment is that it is a 2 manual electric, the upper manual can only be used if coupled through, and the "solo stops" automatically cut out all of the = other stops - interesting. I will post more when I have actually seen it!   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists. From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:43:08 -0400 (EDT)     >It turns out that the church is actually United > Reformed. >I will post details on Sunday, and about the > organ. Please don't forget to post about the service, as well. Now we're all curious. If the organ is "electric", please don't forget to count the pedals and legs!!! ;-)   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: church question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:11:13 -0500   Hi Listers... I my old home-town of Evergreen Park,IL is a Dutch = Reformed Church. There is/was quite a community of Dutch there in Evergreen.   What is a Dutch Reformed?   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: church question From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:17:27 -0400 (EDT)     >What is a Dutch Reformed? I think they're Presbyterians who were predestined to be something else!   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed-- From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:33:39 EDT   Hi Rick,,,and list--- I would like to know too on the Dutch Reformed, there was a whole colony = of em kind of churches here in the central part of Niew Joisey. My dad was = D. reformed as was my mother,,but by the time I was born, they had changed to =   Presbyterian. Let me know if you get any substantial replies private Rick,I would like = to know more. And to keep it organic---the first pipe organ I worked on = outside of my home church was a very small 2m in a Dutch Reformed church, it was winded with cardboard mailing tubes and some toilet paper cores taped together with wet it glue type tape,,,,and it didnt have many leaks = either. Thrifty people those Dutch!!!<G> Cheers,,,,,,,, ---Roc (who is dutch/german so NOT picking on anybody)(before the = politically correct boys get to doing their thing)  
(back) Subject: Top 5 Organ Pieces..... From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:52:58 EDT   Dear lists,   I'm cross-posting because I want everyone a chance to participate. I'm doing a sort-of survey as to what organists around the world think are the 5 best organ pieces ever written. What are your ideas =   on this? I'd like to know. Mine are:   1---> Concerto Gregoriano...Pietro A. Yon 2---> Toccata in F major...Bach 3---> Symphony No. 6...Louis Vierne 4---> Grande Pi=E8ce Symphonique...C=E9sar Franck 5---> Suite Gothique...Bo=EBllmann   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed-- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:34:29 -0500   GRSCoLVR@aol.com wrote:   > Hi Rick,,,and list--- > I would like to know too on the Dutch Reformed, there was a whole colony = of > em kind of churches here in the central part of Niew Joisey. My dad was = D. > reformed as was my mother,,but by the time I was born, they had changed = to > Presbyterian.   At the time of the reformation, Northern Germany and Scandanavians, as a = rule, tended to follow the Evangelical/Lutheran branch of the reformation. = Switzerland (Geneva), Southern Germany, Hungary, the Netherlands, and Northern England = and Scotland were more sympathetic to the teachings of John Calvin and his = followers, who were adopted the characterization "reformed" as contrasted with the "Evangelical" styling that Lutherans in Europe adopted.   Theologically, all of the reformed churches are "cousins". The Scots = called themselves "Presbyterians", and some of the Reformed Christians styled = themselves "Congregationalists", but most other places called themselves simply "____Reformed." "Dutch Reformed Churches" were reformed churches started by Dutchmen who = came to the U.S.--Indeed, the South Suburbs of Chicago (South Holland, e.g.) Iowa (especially around Pella and Orange City), New York/New Jersey (originally = Niew Amsterdam), and Southwest Michigan (around Holland) were areas where the = Dutch Reformed Churches tended to be concentrated, because the Dutch tended to = settle there.   If I am not mistaken, some time ago, the Dutch Reformed Church changed its = name, and is now known as the Christian Reformed Church.    
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed-- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:35:30 -0500   GRSCoLVR@aol.com wrote:   > Hi Rick,,,and list--- > I would like to know too on the Dutch Reformed, there was a whole colony = of > em kind of churches here in the central part of Niew Joisey. My dad was = D. > reformed as was my mother,,but by the time I was born, they had changed = to > Presbyterian.   At the time of the reformation, Northern Germany and Scandanavians, as a = rule, tended to follow the Evangelical/Lutheran branch of the reformation. = Switzerland (Geneva), Southern Germany, Hungary, the Netherlands, and Northern England = and Scotland were more sympathetic to the teachings of John Calvin and his = followers, who were adopted the characterization "reformed" as contrasted with the "Evangelical" styling that Lutherans in Europe adopted.   Theologically, all of the reformed churches are "cousins". The Scots = called themselves "Presbyterians", and some of the Reformed Christians styled = themselves "Congregationalists", but most other places called themselves simply "____Reformed." "Dutch Reformed Churches" were reformed churches started by Dutchmen who = came to the U.S.--Indeed, the South Suburbs of Chicago (South Holland, e.g.) Iowa (especially around Pella and Orange City), New York/New Jersey (originally = Niew Amsterdam), and Southwest Michigan (around Holland) were areas where the = Dutch Reformed Churches tended to be concentrated, because the Dutch tended to = settle there.   If I am not mistaken, some time ago, the Dutch Reformed Church changed its = name, and is now known as the Christian Reformed Church.        
(back) Subject: Re: Top 5 Organ Pieces..... From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:41:38 -0400   I often ask organists their favorite six organ pieces . . . so after years of doing this, I think I can definitively say my faves (for the moment) are:   Allegro from Widor VI Franck b minor chorale Bach Passacaglia Franck Grande Piece Symphonique Durufl=E9 Veni Creator           At 01:52 AM 6/26/99 EDT, you wrote: >Dear lists, > > I'm cross-posting because I want everyone a chance to=20 >participate. I'm doing a sort-of survey as to what organists around the=20 >world think are the 5 best organ pieces ever written. What are your ideas= =20 >on this? >I'd like to know. Mine are: > >1---> Concerto Gregoriano...Pietro A. Yon >2---> Toccata in F major...Bach >3---> Symphony No. 6...Louis Vierne >4---> Grande Pi=E8ce Symphonique...C=E9sar Franck >5---> Suite Gothique...Bo=EBllmann > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed-- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:44:36 -0500   I wrote in part:   > Theologically, all of the reformed churches are "cousins". The Scots = called > themselves "Presbyterians", and some of the Reformed Christians styled = themselves > "Congregationalists",   I intended to say that the congregationalists tended to be Reformed = Christians for England. There are undoubtedly many nuances related to the differences = between the different branches of Reformed Christianity, and to any that I have = offended by ignoring these, I apologize.   ns   >