PipeChat Digest #958 - Sunday, June 27, 1999
 
Need address
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
PERFORMERS database (fwd)
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
church question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: QUIZ TIME
  by "Bill" <WGWUTILS@webtv.net>
Re: PERFORMERS database (fwd)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
paper wind lines, pipes, etc.
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
AGO Region II Convention
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
AGO Region III Convention (x-posted)
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: AGO Region III Convention (x-posted)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Pipes/parts for sale
  by <Victorgan@aol.com>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--organ winding
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: church question-Dutch Reformed
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
1939 Methodist Hymnal ... HALP!
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed)
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed)
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
lyrics needed....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: lyrics needed....
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: 4'  Harmonic Flute
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: AGO Region II Convention
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed)
  by "Simon Dyk" <noto@river.netrover.com>
Visit to St. Sulpice
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
 


(back) Subject: Need address From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 99 05:46:49 -0500   Greetings:   Would anyone have the snailmail address of Daniel Roth at St. Sulpice in Paris?   Thanks.   Sincerely,   Tom Gregory Waukesha WI USA  
(back) Subject: PERFORMERS database (fwd) From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 04:29:58 -0700 (MST)   Listers, got this in my e-mail today. I bookmarked it. Disregard if not pertinent. FWD: The Classical Music database of 3000 classical music performing artists now has a search engine that is working on the cover page: http://members.tripod.com/perfartists/index.html   There are birth/death dates, nationality, pronunciation and homepage link to some of these performers. Additions, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Bookmark the page and forward notice to friends if you wish.   -Delmar          
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed-- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:46:59 -0500   GRSCoLVR@aol.com wrote: -the first pipe organ I worked on outside > of my home church was a very small 2m in a Dutch Reformed church, it was > winded with cardboard mailing tubes and some toilet paper cores taped > together with wet it glue type tape,,,,and it didnt have many leaks = either.   This was a fairly standard way of doing windtrunks in Germany as well as Holland in the 1920's and 1930's. Was this instrument built by a continental builder? Walcker? Steinmeyer? I came across this arrangement on the Steinmeyer at Altoona Cathedral, Pa. It is very convenient, being (1) air tight (2) cheap and (3) when you want to remove a windline you can just cut through it and then retape it with leather to replace it again. Furthermore, like wood and metal windlines it is rigid, and does not have the adverse effect on pipe speech that flexible systems like flexaust have by moving around.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: church question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:33:24 -0500   Thanks to all who responded and answered (to) my question re: Dutch = Reformed churches. Now I know. This particular church in my home town has/had a 2m Wicks with a = horse-shoe console.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME From: WGWUTILS@webtv.net (Bill) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:45:27 -0400 (EDT)   Surprisingly, I've not seen anyone post one of my favourites: "Rock Of Ages".    
(back) Subject: Re: PERFORMERS database (fwd) From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:08:26 -0400 (EDT)   Thanks for the Classical Music Database. Is there a similar database for composers in general?   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: paper wind lines, pipes, etc. From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:04:37 -0700   We removed a much-cobbled turn-of-the-century Mather from the Shrine of the Immaculata in Cincinnati in the 1970s (to replace it with an untouched 1890s Koehnken & Grimm from a neighboring church) ... the Mather had ribbed rigid cardboard transmission tubes to the facade pipes. The "cobbling" had involved sawing the organ in half and turning it sideways in the organ loft to make more room for the choir, and changing the action from tracker to tubular pneumatic. In the process, the organ was lowered to the point where inquiring fingers could reach behind the facade pipes and break off the transmission tubes ... most of the facade was silent. The tubes for the action were the standard lead ones. As I recall, the K & G had small square wooden windways to the facade. Both organs had rigid wooden and tin wind-lines.   We restored the feeder bellows on the K & G, and there WAS a perceptible difference in the sound and response of the organ when the wind was raised by hand, rather than by the electric blower. Hard to put my finger on ... it just seemed more "alive", for some reason. Wish we could have removed the (added later) pallet springs ... the action didn't have that wonderful "pluck" characteristic of other K & Gs I've played.   Maybe someone can explain why it was always the COUPLER action that gave trouble in tubular pneumatic organs ... the KEY action remained quick and responsive, even though this organ was in an advanced state of general decay. But the COUPLERS constantly cyphered, or failed altogether. I remember the old Estey in Mulberry (FL) Methodist having similar problems.   In "Organ Building for Amateurs" (think I have that right ... available from Organ Literature Foundation) by Mark Wicks (no relation to Wicks Organs, as far as I know), there are detailed directions for making paper-mache organ pipes.   I once saw a small organ with paper pipes in Tom Cunningham's shop in Ohio ... hopefully Alan Laufman acquired it along with the rest of Tom's stuff when Tom went back to teaching engineering. Unfortunately it wasn't playing, but the pipes Tom "tooted" on were soft, but with a surprising amount of harmonic development ... I think he was tooting on a Salicional pipe. The organ was a small one-manual ... not much bigger than a big Estey pipe-top.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: AGO Region II Convention From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:25:18 EDT   Hi all,   Who's going to the AGO Region II covention in Smithtown, NY. July 11 - 15? = It would be fun to meet some of us chatters.   Vicki Ceruti Organist, Center Moriches UMC   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   A conference is a gathering of important people who singly can do nothing ... but together can decide that nothing can be done. - Fred Allen  
(back) Subject: AGO Region III Convention (x-posted) From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:58:32 EDT   By all accounts, the Region III convention in Pittsburgh this week was a = huge success with possibly the largest attendance of any regional convention (nearly 400). I'm working up a report for the DC AGO newsletter, and I'd = be happy to e-mail a copy to anyone who might be interested. Send a note to DudelK@aol.com if you'd like a copy.   Last evening I heard a wonderful program at St. Matthew's Cathedral here featuring music associated with Notre Dame de Paris from Perotin to = Cochereau performed by Christopher Candela with the schola from St. Joseph's Church = on Capitol Hill. The program concluded with improvisations on verses from Ps. = 63 on the Lively-Fulcher tracker in this very large space with abundant acoustics. This was a great example of imaginative, thoughtful programming =   coupled with superb playing. It was the equal of anything heard in = Pittsburgh earlier in the week, indeed of any program I've heard in a long time.  
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Region III Convention (x-posted) From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:41:31 -0400 (EDT)   I think it would be nice for AGO / ATOS convention reports - reviews - etc to come to the list so spark some new and interesting threads. If not, I certainly would like to receive a "secret" copy!   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   Dogs laugh, but they laugh with their tails. -- Max Eastman    
(back) Subject: Pipes/parts for sale From: Victorgan@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:46:45 EDT   The following associate asked me to post the following for him: You may contact him directly by e-mail or phone listed below.     ATLANTIC CITY PIPE ORGAN COMPANY NEW INVENTORY     1958 TELLERS 4"WP - 8' CAPPED OBOE - $950 4' CLARION - $800 - 8' DOLCE = + UNDERMARIS - $1000pr; 2 2/3' NAZARD - $750; DEAGAN CLASS A CHIMES W/ = ACTION - $1500 OBO M.P. MOLLER#3806: REED VOICER E.H.WHITE : 16' TUBA PROFUNDA/MIRABILIS - 10"SC@16', SLEAVED & MITERED, 5 1/2"SC @ 8' HARMONIC, 85 PIPES 66 REEDS, 10"WP W/CHESTS, 5"WP: CAPPED OBOE - 3 = 1/4"SC/73 - $1,100; CLARINET - 1 5/8"SC/73 - $750; 8' GOTTFRIED DOOMED TOP FRENCH = HORN - 6"SC/73-MINT-$2,300 OBO; 16' OPENWOOD W/CHESTS - 12"X14" - $1,000; 4' = HARM FLUTE 65SC/73 - $375; 8' VIOLE O' GAMBA - 58SC/73 - $400; 8' DULCIANA - 56SC/73 - $400; UNDA MARIS 56SC/61 - $300; VDO - 66SC/73, & VOX CELESTE = TC 61 - BLOCK TIN - $600 PR; 8' MUTED VIOLIN - 67SC/61 - 4"WP - $500; = KINETIC BLOWER - 5" & 10" WP - $600; HALL - 4"WP 8' ERZAHLER - 73 - $850; REED VOICER - W.V. ELLIOTT: 8' HARM TUBA - 5"SC/73 - $800; 8' HARM CORNOPEAN - 4 3/4"SC/73 - $ 750; 8' OBOE - OPEN BELLS - 3 3/4"SC/73 - $800; VOX IN BOX - 1 3/4"SC/61 - $500; 21 NOTE DELUX MAYLAND CHIMES & ACTION - $600; OSI - 1980 - 3"WP 8' CAPPED BOURDON 1-12 = WOOD - 60SC@TC - $900; MISC: 8' GAMBA - $400; 8' OBOE - $800; SPENCER BLOWER: 1450 CFM, 3.5"WP 1.5 HP - $750; MISC - STOPPED FLUTES - $100; STRINGS - = $200; 2 RANK DE CHEST - $500; VOLUME DISCOUNTS, SHIPPING. E-MAIL: JBEDDIA@BELLATLANTIC.NET, PHONE# - (609)641-9422.  
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed--organ winding From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:01:37 EDT   Greetings John! No,,,the organ in question, with the cardboard lines, was put together = out of ranks that looked like they had seen several other locations before the =   one I spoke of. I have been working on an older Hilgreen-Lane that is nearly totally = winded with "cardboard" tubes(painted silver) on any line less than 3 inches diameter, those above are the normal galvanized soldered materials. Recently, I had occasion to inspect a small 2 manual Moller organ, = recently installed in a church, and that had been releathered by skillful members = of the congregation before installation in their church. The flexaust = material had been used almost completely to wind the 8 ranks----it was noticible = in pipe speech, and noisy as well. Thanks, John, for reminding me about the Altoona cathedral Steinmeyer. I =   had seen those lines when I visited there years ago. Kind regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed) From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:05:11 -0700   On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:35:30 -0500 Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> wrote:   > Theologically, all of the reformed churches are "cousins".   <snip>   > "Dutch Reformed Churches" were reformed churches started by Dutchmen > who came to the U.S.--Indeed, the South Suburbs of Chicago (South > Holland, e.g.) Iowa (especially around Pella and Orange City), New > York/New Jersey (originally Niew Amsterdam), and Southwest Michigan > (around Holland) were areas where the Dutch Reformed Churches tended to = > be concentrated,   This is all correct, but to lump "Dutch Reformed" all together would be a dangerous thing to do, at least, so far as they'd be concerned! I Grand Rapids, where I grew up, there were dozens, if not hundreds of "scisms" of the Calvinistic bent; ranging from Congregational to Presbyterian, to Dutch Reformed, Netherlands Reformed, Christian Reformed, just plain Reformed, and numerous others.   I was definiately a "square peg in a round hole" in that city: being raised Lutheran, so I cannot speak as to what theological differences were behind these different bodies, but I suspect it was minor things that develop when people get their nose out of joint over one thing or another.   If anyone has a clearer knowledge of that particular ilk of Christendom, I, for one, would love to hear more about what these differences consisted of.   Faithfully,   "Arp" in the "Corn Patch" (which is a little more like "home" than DeZwaan, the Dutch windmill in Holland, MI!)   Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)      
(back) Subject: Re: church question-Dutch Reformed From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:18:18 EDT   Hi List---- Another Thank You to all who responded on the Dutch Reformed question. = It makes perfect sense when its explained. <G> Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: 1939 Methodist Hymnal ... HALP! From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:08:15 -0700   I need three things out of the "Ancient Hymns and Canticles" section of the old 1939 Methodist Hymnal, if anybody has one:   "Hail, Gladdening Light" (Stainer) "O Splendor of God's Glory Bright" (the one in F Major in half notes) any responses that bear a resemblance to "Let the Words of My Mouth", etc.   The church's fax is 949-650-9541   The snail mail address is   Bud Clark, Organist/Choirmaster St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church 1723 Westcliff Drive Newport Beach CA 92660-5529 USA   Thanks! I can't find my copy.   Cheers,   Bud (who carted three barrels of JUNK out of the choir room yesterday, and that only scratched the SURFACE)   P.S. - As of September, we're going to be rehearsing on Sundays in the pizza parlor next door ... the dance studio moved out, and we lost our Sunday warmup room. One of my basses is putting wheels on our little Kawai spinet organ so we'll have an "instrument". Just another chapter in the saga of "St. Matthew's-in-the-Mall".        
(back) Subject: Re: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed) From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:29:39 EDT   REFORMED CHURCH IN AMERICA - originally Dutch Reformed Church, oldest denomination in the USA, first settled in New York. The denomination = includes Robert Schuller who's considered by some members to be fringe. Generally = more liberal in the East, and broadly evangelical in the West. Related to the "State" church of Holland. Western Theological Seminary, Hope College, New =   Brunswick Theological Seminary.   CHRISTIAN REFORMED CHURCH - schism from the Reformed Church in America in = the 1850's. CRC forbade membership in Masonic orders and supported parental controlled Christian Schools. They still sing Genevan Psalm tunes in many places. Several German Reformed Churches joined the CRC in the late 19th century. Church today is broadly evangelical. Calvin College & Seminary - relations to Dordt College and Redeemer and Kings Colleges.   PROTESTANT REFORMED - schism from the CRC over whether God's goodness to = all people really is "Grace". Small, conservative, very theologically = oriented. They use the 1912 Presbyterian Psalter, with a collection of Genevan = tunes.   CANADIA AND AMERICAN REFORMED CHURCH - schism from church in Holland. = These people use the entire Genevan Psalter and a few hymns. Theologically and liturgically conservative.   FREE REFORMED CHURCH - Pietistic Reformed Group with Dutch connections. = Use the 1912 Presbyterian Psalter with Genevan additions. Very Small.   NETHERLANDS REFORMED CONGREGATIONS: two small denominations similar to = the above, but very few members feel they can come to the Lord's Table. Some (women) still wear distinctive clothes and hairstyles.   UNITED REFORMED CHURCH OF NORTH AMERICA - 1990's schism from the CRC especially centered around Women's ordination. Conservative in both = theology and worship.   ORGANIC MATTER: The above (with few exceptions) are great supporters of = fine organs and organ music.   These churches often have ties to the various Scots and North American Presbyterian groups, the Hungarian Reformed Church (the largest Reformed Church in the World), the French Reformed Church as well as the Reformed Churches of South Africa and South America. There are also ties with = English Congregationalists and low church Anglicans.   These are the people who birthed the Genevan Psalter. The sad thing is = that when the Genevan Psalter was complete, these people thought there was no = more sacred music to be written. So from 1562 until the early 20th century new Protestant music was the domain of the Lutherans and Anglicans.   Jerry, the lone Puritan in Seattle      
(back) Subject: Re: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed) From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:17:39 -0500   The Roots of Robert Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral are from the Dutch Reformed Church....not readily apparent, but occasionally mentioned.   jch -----Original Message----- From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:20 PM Subject: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed)     >On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:35:30 -0500 Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> >wrote: > >> Theologically, all of the reformed churches are "cousins". > ><snip> > >> "Dutch Reformed Churches" were reformed churches started by Dutchmen >> who came to the U.S.--Indeed, the South Suburbs of Chicago (South >> Holland, e.g.) Iowa (especially around Pella and Orange City), New >> York/New Jersey (originally Niew Amsterdam), and Southwest Michigan >> (around Holland) were areas where the Dutch Reformed Churches tended to = > be concentrated, > >This is all correct, but to lump "Dutch Reformed" all together would be >a dangerous thing to do, at least, so far as they'd be concerned! I >Grand Rapids, where I grew up, there were dozens, if not hundreds of >"scisms" of the Calvinistic bent; ranging from Congregational to >Presbyterian, to Dutch Reformed, Netherlands Reformed, Christian >Reformed, just plain Reformed, and numerous others. > >I was definiately a "square peg in a round hole" in that city: being >raised Lutheran, so I cannot speak as to what theological differences >were behind these different bodies, but I suspect it was minor things >that develop when people get their nose out of joint over one thing or >another. > >If anyone has a clearer knowledge of that particular ilk of Christendom, >I, for one, would love to hear more about what these differences >consisted of. > >Faithfully, > >"Arp" in the "Corn Patch" >(which is a little more like "home" than DeZwaan, the Dutch windmill in >Holland, MI!) > >Richard Schneider, President >SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. >Organbuilders >41-43 Johnston Street >Post Office Box 137 >Kenney, IL 61749-0137 >(217) 944-2454 VOX >(217) 944-2527 FAX >mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!) > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: lyrics needed.... From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:16:38 EDT   Greetings,   the song "I Am The Bread Of Life" as written by Sr. Susan Toolan in 1970, as it appears in most books, has 5 verses. I saw a book once, and in this book there were more verses. Does anyone have these = other verese?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: lyrics needed.... From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:41:23 -0500   Carlo wrote:   > the song "I Am The Bread Of Life" as written by Sr. Susan Toolan in = 1970, as > it appears in most books, has 5 verses. I saw a book once, and in this = book > there were more verses. Does anyone have these other verese?...   GIA (7404 S. Mason, Chicago, IL 60638) holds the copyright. This is the = first place to start. This assumes, of course, that the verses were not = "add-ons" by the editor of the other hymnal.    
(back) Subject: Re: 4' Harmonic Flute From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:48:23 EDT   What a great thread! Something alot of us can contribute to. The = National Shrine Kilgen is blessed with not one but SEVEN harmonic flute ranks as listed below (with exacting details from the 1933 contract):   Main Great (8" Pressure): 5. Flute Harmonique, 8ft, (Pure Tin), 46, flat 2/9, 1-61 slotted, 73 pipes 8. Flute Octaviante, 4 ft, (Pure Tin), 60, Fl Har, flat 2/9, 1-49 = slotted, 73 pipes   Main Swell (7" pressure): 31. Flute Triangulaire, 4 ft, Reg., 73 pipes   Choir (Main, 6" pressure): 54. Flauto Traverso, 4 ft, Reg., 73 pipes 56. Piccolo Harmonique, 2 ft, 70, flat 2/9, 61 pipes   Solo (Main, 12" pressure): 68. Flauto Mirabilis, 8 ft, (Wood, Harmonic) new scale, 73 pipes   Antiphonal Great (6" pressure): 111. Harmonic Flute, 4 ft, 60, flat 2/9, 73 pipes     It is very interesting when using the Main Great metal harmonic and the = Solo wood harmonic together for a solo flute- GORGEOUS!!! And if one REALLY = wants to be trashy we can add the 8' Gross Gedeckt (Tibia Clausa) as well! = <giggle>   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, Michigan  
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Region II Convention From: Pat Maimone <patmai@juno.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:21:15 -0400   Dear Vicki and PipeChatters,   See you at Region II's convention in Smithtown, NY, July 11 - 15.. If those days are as hot and humid as today, I certainly hope that the churches are air-conditioned! Pat Maimone Post Chapel, West Point, NY Dean, Central Hudson Valley chapter ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Calvinistic churches (Was: Dutch Reformed) From: Simon Dyk <noto@river.netrover.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:30:26 -0400 (EDT)   Good description of "us".   In the Netherlands , the REFORMED CHURCH IN AMERICA is akin to the the = state church there, the HERVORMED KERK.   The CHRISTIAN REFORMED CHURCH is akin to the GEREFORMEERDE KERK (SYNODAL)   The CANADIAN AND AMERICAN REFORMED CHURCH is akin to the VRIGEMAAKTE ("LIBERATED") KERK   The FREE REFORMED CHURCH is akin to the CHRISTELIJK GEREFORMEERDE KERK   and so on.   Its a good sign that back in the Netherlands, many local denominations are merging into SAMEN OP WEG (Together on the way) churches. These silly schisms over minor theological points are proving fruitless. But organ builders in Holland have been kept quite productive.     At 06:29 PM 6/26/99 EDT, you wrote: >REFORMED CHURCH IN AMERICA - originally Dutch Reformed Church, oldest >denomination in the USA, first settled in New York. The denomination = includes >Robert Schuller who's considered by some members to be fringe. Generally = more >liberal in the East, and broadly evangelical in the West. Related to the >"State" church of Holland. Western Theological Seminary, Hope College, = New >Brunswick Theological Seminary. > >CHRISTIAN REFORMED CHURCH - schism from the Reformed Church in America in = the >1850's. CRC forbade membership in Masonic orders and supported parental >controlled Christian Schools. They still sing Genevan Psalm tunes in many =   >places. Several German Reformed Churches joined the CRC in the late 19th >century. Church today is broadly evangelical. Calvin College & Seminary - =   >relations to Dordt College and Redeemer and Kings Colleges. > >PROTESTANT REFORMED - schism from the CRC over whether God's goodness to = all >people really is "Grace". Small, conservative, very theologically = oriented. >They use the 1912 Presbyterian Psalter, with a collection of Genevan = tunes. > >CANADIA AND AMERICAN REFORMED CHURCH - schism from church in Holland. = These >people use the entire Genevan Psalter and a few hymns. Theologically and =   >liturgically conservative. > >FREE REFORMED CHURCH - Pietistic Reformed Group with Dutch connections. = Use >the 1912 Presbyterian Psalter with Genevan additions. Very Small. > >NETHERLANDS REFORMED CONGREGATIONS: two small denominations similar to = the >above, but very few members feel they can come to the Lord's Table. Some =   >(women) still wear distinctive clothes and hairstyles. > >UNITED REFORMED CHURCH OF NORTH AMERICA - 1990's schism from the CRC >especially centered around Women's ordination. Conservative in both = theology >and worship. > >ORGANIC MATTER: The above (with few exceptions) are great supporters of = fine >organs and organ music. > >These churches often have ties to the various Scots and North American >Presbyterian groups, the Hungarian Reformed Church (the largest Reformed >Church in the World), the French Reformed Church as well as the Reformed >Churches of South Africa and South America. There are also ties with = English >Congregationalists and low church Anglicans. > >These are the people who birthed the Genevan Psalter. The sad thing is = that >when the Genevan Psalter was complete, these people thought there was no = more >sacred music to be written. So from 1562 until the early 20th century new =   >Protestant music >was the domain of the Lutherans and Anglicans. > >Jerry, the lone Puritan in Seattle > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   ************************************************************ Simon Dyk Toronto Canada   GOBER ORGANS INC. http://www.interlog.com/~goberorg CHURCH OF THE TRANSFIGURATION http://www.interlog.com/~transfig/trans.htm PERSONAL HOME PAGE: http://www.netrover.com/~noto/gober/~noto.html      
(back) Subject: Visit to St. Sulpice From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 99 22:24:48 -0500   Greetings:   My wife and I just returned from a trip to France, Belgium and the Netherlands. Although the purpose of our trip was to meet AFS students we have hosted in the past, we planned a visit to St. Sulpice on June 20.   We attended Mass and were greeted by Daniel Roth following the service. He was a very gracious host taking time to make us feel welcome.   We felt that St. Sulpice was an active parish, not a museum such as Notre Dame. Although I do not speak French, I could feel the warmth and friendship of the congregation during the service.   This Sunday morning visit was one of the highlights of our trip.   Tom Gregory Waukesha WI USA   p.s. The only other organ we heard on the trip was a beautiful small hand cranked band organ in Brugge which operated from perforated paper books. Hearing the "Beer Barrel Polka" resounding in the cobble stone street was truly delightful.   Maybe we organists take ourselves to seriously and refuse to let our hair down and have some fun once in a while!