PipeChat Digest #730 - Monday, March 1, 1999
 
Re:STOPS and WALKER TECHNOLOGY
  by "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net>
Re: STOPS!!
  by "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net>
Re: "Hot Stuff"
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Aeolian Skinner...........THE BEST restoration guys
  by <Victorgan@aol.com>
Trumpet
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC
  by "Vincent Lefevre" <vlefevere@unicall.be>
RE: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Fw: Trumpet
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RE: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Trumpet
  by "Robert Rusczyk" <rusczyk@ix.netcom.com>
Fw: Gerald Shaw
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Trumpet
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
improv
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Bach's liturgy
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Fw: Trumpet
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re:STOPS and WALKER TECHNOLOGY From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:57:50 -0500   At 02:39 AM 2/27/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I've heard of organs like this (Walker electronics) before, just didn't know which companies. Truly >the next-best thing to actual pipes. PIPES ARE BEST, OF COURSE, BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN GET WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE!!   > So basically what you got is a big fat >sound card with lots of wavetable samples and a whole lot more polyphony than >your average Sound Blaster! ACTUALLY, WALKER USES REAL 'RECORDINGS' OF REAL PIPES, WITH THE INFORMATION PLACED ON HIGH-MEM CHIPS WITH THE INFORMATION REMOVEED ON DEMAND BY PLAYING NOTES AND PULLING STOPS.   >The big organ I'm looking at building for myself >will be similar, only the mega-quality won't be there. My small organ will be >straight analog. ANALOG IS FUN AND A LITTLE EASIER TO WORK WITH I SUPPOSE, BUT IF IT IS SOUND YOU ARED LOOKING FOR, GO LISTEN TO THE BETTER DIGITALS OUT THERE. >... > >> when the budget isn't there for all >> pipe, a combination of pipe and digital works very well. > >Pipe/electronic combo...probably using electronic for lower bass stops (where >timbre is less important, also no big pipes) and maybe mixtures (again timbre >less important, no need for hundreds of pipes, also they wouldn't go out of >tune)...IMHO, at least.   THE VESTAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ORGAN IN VESTAL NEW YORK ( A SUBURB OF BINGHAMTON) HAS 17 RANKS OF REAL, WELL DESIGNED PIPES INCLUDING DIAPASONS 16, 8, 4, 2 FLUTES 8,4,2 AND TWO SETS OF MIXTURES. ALL STRINGS AND REEDS ARE DIGITAL (THAT'S BECAUSE THE REAL PIPES CHANGE THEIR PITCHES IN THE SAME DIRECTION, SO HAVING THE REEDS ON AUTO-TUNE, THE COMPUTER MATCHES THE PIPES INTONATION WITHIN 3 SECONDS OF TURNING ON THE INSTRUMENT. THE CONTROL IS A SPECIAL THERMOMETER ATTACHED TO A PIPE . tHE THERMOMETER FEEDS THE INFORMATION TO THE COMPUTER WHICH ADJUSTS THE NONE-WINDED PIPES ACCORDINGLY.> THE 35 OTHER RANKS ARE ALL DIGITAL WITH NO BORROWING BETWEEN ANYTHING.   THE BUSINESS OF USING ELECTRONICS JUST FOR PEDAL ADD-ONS IS NOW ALMOST 'ORDINARY'. WORKS WELL, BUT WALKER MADE IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MUCH MORE THAN EVER PREVIOUSLY.   WICKS (AND OTHERS) ARE USING WALKER TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT AROUND THE NATION --   WICKS IS REACHABLE AT WICKS.COM BUT EASIER TO CALL THEM (OR ME) FOR INFORMATION AT 618 654 2191. GETTING A TOUR OF THE FACTORY IS QUITE INTERESTING -- THGEY ARE ABOUT 40 MILES EAST OF ST. LOUIS IN HIGHLAND, IL, ON INTERSTATE 70 (well, actually, off of it about 5 miles -- follow the signs). LET THEM/ME KNOW YOU ARE COMING SO THEY CAN ARRANGE A ROYAL WELCOME -- PROBABLY FREE LUNCH, TOO!!!THEY ALSO HAPPEN TO RUN A FULL AIRCRAFT PARTS DIVISION (DELIVERIES WORLDWIDE) IF YOU ARE INTO THAT SORT OF THING!!!   SOMETHING MUST BE WORKING RIGHT --- WICKS IS BUILDING ALL COMBINATIONS OP DIGITAL AND PIPES AND THE FACTORY, WITH MORE THAN 75 PEOPLE ON FULL TIME, IS BEHIND ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AT THIS POINT.   VESTAL ORGAN BEING PERFORMED ON TUESDAY FEBRUARY MARCH 2ND WITH JANE WATTS AS GUEST ARTIST ON THE CHURCH'S ONGOING SERIES OF NOTABLES ... IF YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH, COME OVER -- I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET A CHANCE TO PLAY AFTER THE PERFORMANCE!!   'NUFF?? Paul F. Stapel, 607 773 1495, FAX 607 772 6501, Binghamton, NY Organist, Piano Instructor, Sales Director for WICKS Organ Company.      
(back) Subject: Re: STOPS!! From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:15:38 -0500   At 09:56 AM 2/27/99 -0500, Antoni wrote: >Hi Paul: >I would really like to hear these sampled sounds from Walker. How do I >get in touch with them? > >Antoni Scott > Call them in Zionsville, PA , tell them where you can travel to easily and see what they say or call, WICKS 618 654 2191 and find out where there are instruments in place   Where do you live?? Anywhere near the Southern Tier of New York...come here as usggested on a previous list -- Jane Watts plaing the 53 ranks combo on Tuesday March 2 at 7:30 PM   Paul F. Stapel, 607 773 1495, FAX 607 772 6501, Binghamton, NY Organist, Piano Instructor, Sales Director for WICKS Organ Company.      
(back) Subject: Re: "Hot Stuff" From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:54:52 -0500     Jeffrey Korns wrote...<<Just when you think you are "hot stuff" you'll stand on the pedal board to reach some music on top of the console and forget that the crescendo pedal is wide open!>>   Wow, I'll say! One morning recently the congregation was singing a missionary hymn to the tune "National Hymn" (more familiar as "God of Our Fathers".) I played the opening trumpet fanfare on the Swell, then dropped down to the Great to play the first verse. I forgot, however, that I had the "Swell to Great" couplers on, resulting in a pretty horrendous racket when I started playing the verse. (I could hear people laughing at me on this one!) Divided expression, couplers, these are WONDERFUL tools that can turn on us very quickly when we have "stupid attacks"! God has ways of keeping us humble.   At any rate, I managed to turn the couplers off and the rest of the hymn went pretty well. We are in a new building with pretty decent acoustics, and it was really nice to hear the party horns echo through the sanctuary (at least until the sound man carpets the back wall, as he has threatened to do!)   -George  
(back) Subject: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:07:11 -0500   To all PipeChat-l members:   Just a reminder that we are still open for IRC chatting on Monday and Friday evenings from 9.00 pm Eastern Time.   If you are not sure how to join us, go to the following URL:   http://www.pipechat.org/   There you will find out how to find and join in PipeChat IRC.   I hope that we will see you tonight!   Bob Conway... No trees were harmed by the production of this message; however, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced.          
(back) Subject: Re: Aeolian Skinner...........THE BEST restoration guys From: Victorgan@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:29:51 EST   Let us not forget Mr. Edward Millington Stout III! I have personally seen his very fine restoratations, most recently at the Palace of of the Legion of Honor in San Francisco, Ca!   As well as being probably one of the finest craftsman, Mr. Stout is willing to offer assistance and advice to those who ask - something which if not often found in the organ business.   Vic  
(back) Subject: Trumpet From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:19:15 -0500   I have a WurliTzer style D Trumpet for sale. 61-pipes +AEA- 8 ' . About 7 inch pressure. Resonators need some dents removed, and some tonal scrolls need replacing.   Price not established as of yet, so throw something at me--I'll duck. Located just southeast of Indianapolis.   Anyone in the area is welcome to stop by and check them out. The pipes are in a private residence installation.   Rick Veague. dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net          
(back) Subject: Re: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC From: Vincent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lef=E8vre?= <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:31:59 +0100     --------------66B146713D69BD71D01BD8E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by diplo.antw.online.be id TAA23005   Bob Conway wrote:   > To all PipeChat-l members: > > Just a reminder that we are still open for IRC chatting on Monday and > Friday evenings from 9.00 pm Eastern Time. > > If you are not sure how to join us, go to the following URL: > > http://www.pipechat.org/ > > There you will find out how to find and join in PipeChat IRC. > > I hope that we will see you tonight! > > Bob Conway... >   Hi Bob! How are you? Chatting at 9.00pm Eastern Time is middle in the night here. Maybe wenn I wake up for some reason, that happens. Anyway nice talking tonite! Vincent (Belgium)         -- =D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1     --------------66B146713D69BD71D01BD8E1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Bob Conway wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>To all PipeChat-l members: <p>Just a reminder that we are still open for IRC chatting on Monday and <br>Friday evenings from 9.00 pm Eastern Time. <p>If you are not sure how to join us, go to the following URL: <p><a href="http://www.pipechat.org/">http://www.pipechat.org/</a> <p>There you will find out how to find and join in PipeChat IRC. <p>I hope that we will see you tonight! <p>Bob Conway... <br><a href="mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></a>&nbsp;</blockquote> Hi Bob! How are you? Chatting at 9.00pm Eastern Time is middle in the <br>night here. Maybe wenn I wake up for some reason, that happens. <br>Anyway nice talking tonite! <br>Vincent (Belgium) <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <p>-- <br>&ETH;&Iuml;&agrave;&iexcl;&plusmn;&aacute; <br>&nbsp;</html>   --------------66B146713D69BD71D01BD8E1--    
(back) Subject: RE: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE63EB.A4498AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   If I come to IRC tonight, do I need to bring wine or a dessert?   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com         ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE63EB.A4498AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1700"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D340545718-01031999><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial = size=3D2>If I=20 come to IRC tonight, do I need to bring wine or a = dessert?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>Charles E. Brown<BR><A = href=3D"http://www.classicalcorner.com/"=20 target=3D_blank>http://www.classicalcorner.com</A> </FONT></P> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV = class=3DOutlookMessageHeader>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE63EB.A4498AA0--    
(back) Subject: Fw: Trumpet From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:47:25 -0500   @ == at 61 pipes AT 8 ' pitch     -----Original Message----- From: Tom Blackwell <tom@spry.com> To: dutchorgan@svs.net <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Trumpet     >Hi Rick: > >What's "+AEA" ? > >Best Regards, > >Tom Blackwell >Seattle, WA > >On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> wrote: >>I have a WurliTzer style D Trumpet for sale. 61-pipes +AEA- 8 ' . About 7 >>inch pressure. Resonators need some dents removed, and some tonal scrolls >>need replacing. >> >>Price not established as of yet, so throw something at me--I'll duck. >>Located just southeast of Indianapolis. >> >>Anyone in the area is welcome to stop by and check them out. The pipes are >>in a private residence installation. >> >>Rick Veague. dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net >> >> >> >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>      
(back) Subject: RE: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:25:08 -0500   At 01:58 PM 3/1/99 -0500, Charles E. Brown wrote: > If I come to IRC tonight, do I need to bring wine or a dessert? >Charles E. Brown >http://www.classicalcorner.com >   Not necessarily, - but we will virtually help you to dispose of anything that you bring! We find that our CD drawers are helpful in this matter!   See you there!   Bob Conway ...  
(back) Subject: Re: Join us this evening on PipeChat IRC From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:38:26 EST     On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0500 "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> writes: > >If I come to IRC tonight, do I need to bring wine or a dessert? > >Charles E. Brown >http://www.classicalcorner.com > Dear Charles,   A Nice Zinfandel would be greatly appreciated, as wellas a good homemade cheesecake - HOWEVER -= "Whine" will not be tolerated !   Hope to see you tonight - on PIPECHAT LIVE !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:55:43 -0800   I don't remember which list this thread was on, so I'll post to both:   19th century American builders knew how to deal with acoustically dead rooms: a strong 16' Pedal (many organs had a 16' Open Wood as the ONLY pedal stop, with a 16' Bourdon available by coupler from the Great ... Hook sometimes built a 10 2/3 Pedal to Pedal COUPLER as well!), a generously-scaled 8' Open Diapason, even in the smallest organs, and very carefully scaled upperwork. Many (Koehnken & Grimm, for instance) routinely built paired open or harmonic and stopped or chimney flutes at 8' in organs of any size, providing plenty of weight and mass to the 8' sound. And, as many of you know who have attended OHS conventions, the upperwork was sufficiently rich in harmonic development that a mixture wasn't an absolute necessity.   I have often wondered why American builders didn't go back to their OWN roots, rather than going to Europe and misunderstanding what they saw and heard (not all ... but some, at least). Some of those big old Hooks and Johnsons can hold their own against anything in France; and certainly the Tannenbergs are as good as anything of the same period in South Germany.   Now I'm gonna get controversial ... as much as I love the Schnitger/North German SOUND, the LITURGY for which that organ developed is virtually non-existent, outside of a few germanic LCMS parishes. And now there's some discussion as to whether the Silbermanns, rather than the Schnitgers, are the ideal "Bach" organ. If the Silbermanns, then that brings us back closer to some of the earlier American sounds ... full Great chorus, softer stops on the subsidiary manual(s), no Rueckpositiv, etc.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Trumpet From: rusczyk@ix.netcom.com (Robert Rusczyk) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:38:48 -0600 (CST)   Interesting...."about 7 inches"...Either is has been "worked on" or it is not a Wurli. Style D. All Style Ds were on 10 inches...         You wrote: > >I have a WurliTzer style D Trumpet for sale. 61-pipes +AEA- 8 ' . About 7 >inch pressure. Resonators need some dents removed, and some tonal scrolls >need replacing. > >Price not established as of yet, so throw something at me--I'll duck. >Located just southeast of Indianapolis. > >Anyone in the area is welcome to stop by and check them out. The pipes are >in a private residence installation. > >Rick Veague. dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Gerald Shaw From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:41:39 -0500   Hi, Jerry... No, I haven't forgotten. Have been busy, but will be glad to fulfill your request. Expect the tape shortly.   Thanks again, Rick.     -----Original Message----- From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> To: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: Gerald Shaw     >Hi if you remember a long time back (a couple of monthes or so) you said >you had a recording of Gerald Shaw and was going to send me a copy. I'm >sure you are real busy and certainly have no obligation but if you >could, would really appreciate it. I certainly am willing to compensate >you for your time & trouble. > >Jerry Riddle >P.O. Box 67 >Sanford, Me 04073 >207 490 9860 >      
(back) Subject: Fw: Trumpet From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:43:58 -0500   I was told it was Wurli. The toes are a definite V...and not the usual U- shaped.   Rick.   -----Original Message----- From: Robert Rusczyk <rusczyk@ix.netcom.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Trumpet     >Interesting...."about 7 inches"...Either is has been "worked on" >or it is not a Wurli. Style D. All Style Ds were on 10 inches... > > > > >You wrote: >> >>I have a WurliTzer style D Trumpet for sale. 61-pipes +AEA- 8 ' . >About 7 >>inch pressure. Resonators need some dents removed, and some tonal >scrolls >>need replacing. >> >>Price not established as of yet, so throw something at me--I'll duck. >>Located just southeast of Indianapolis. >> >>Anyone in the area is welcome to stop by and check them out. The pipes >are >>in a private residence installation. >> >>Rick Veague. dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net >> >> >> >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:51:32 -0800   I certainly agree and have been of the understanding (belief?) that Bach's organ was one with rich and full fundamental tones, being quite a bit more "romantic" than the narrow scaled, thin sounding baroque organs typically thought to be what he played upon. I do like clean and clearly articulate sounds in principals and flutes but I also like, and often prefer, the full-bodied sounds we have been graced with in this country, particularly with the work of E. M. Skinner (and, of course, the previously mentioned ones). How nice to have both, at least to some degree!   Jason McGuire   Bud/burgie wrote: > > I don't remember which list this thread was on, so I'll post to both: > > 19th century American builders knew how to deal with acoustically dead > rooms: a strong 16' Pedal (many organs had a 16' Open Wood as the ONLY > pedal stop, with a 16' Bourdon available by coupler from the Great ... > Hook sometimes built a 10 2/3 Pedal to Pedal COUPLER as well!), a > generously-scaled 8' Open Diapason, even in the smallest organs, and > very carefully scaled upperwork. Many (Koehnken & Grimm, for instance) > routinely built paired open or harmonic and stopped or chimney flutes at > 8' in organs of any size, providing plenty of weight and mass to the 8' > sound. And, as many of you know who have attended OHS conventions, the > upperwork was sufficiently rich in harmonic development that a mixture > wasn't an absolute necessity. > > I have often wondered why American builders didn't go back to their OWN > roots, rather than going to Europe and misunderstanding what they saw > and heard (not all ... but some, at least). Some of those big old Hooks > and Johnsons can hold their own against anything in France; and > certainly the Tannenbergs are as good as anything of the same period in > South Germany. > > Now I'm gonna get controversial ... as much as I love the > Schnitger/North German SOUND, the LITURGY for which that organ developed > is virtually non-existent, outside of a few germanic LCMS parishes. And > now there's some discussion as to whether the Silbermanns, rather than > the Schnitgers, are the ideal "Bach" organ. If the Silbermanns, then > that brings us back closer to some of the earlier American sounds ... > full Great chorus, softer stops on the subsidiary manual(s), no > Rueckpositiv, etc. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: improv From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:44 EST   Three Blind Mice in "Take Five" (5/4) time? (Oom Pa Pa Oom Pa) Spectacular, I'd say! :-) Add an improvo in Ragtime a la Joplin, and I am hooked!!   Anyone heard the Liberace classical variations on Chopsticks? Oops, wrong chatline for piano. :-}     I also have a CD of Beatles melodies done as Bach variations. Woooooooooowwwww Stan Krider   Rick Veague recently asked:   >Has anyone ever taken the tune +ACI- Three Blind Mice +ACI- into the improv realm?     Charles Brown then added: >Believe it or not I did once...As a demonstration I tried to play it in as   >many styles as I could including Franck, Bach, and Brubeck for a little   >jazz.       Rick then continues:   >Actually, I think it's neat that someone has done such a thing. I too would   >love to hear nursery rhymes ala The Old Masters.                
(back) Subject: Bach's liturgy From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:30:09 -0800   Somebody please correct this, as I'm doing it without my references, but ....   the Leipzig liturgy went something like this:   Prelude on the first chorale First chorale (sung unaccompanied) Kyrie - in Greek to a polyphonic setting, or the Kyrie, Gott Vater chorale, preceded by a chorale prelude Gloria - intoned by the pastor, continued in either a Latin polyphonic setting, or the Allein Gott chorale, preceded by a chorale prelude   I get a little cloudy here ... don't remember what happened between the Epistle and Gospel ... seem to remember that there was a chorale sung (usually a Holy Ghost hymn) before the sermon. Don't remember whether the cantata came before or after the sermon.   As I recall, there was no Offertory per se ... the bread and wine were simply placed on the altar (which was still an altar at that point in time)   The preface and Sanctus were sung, the Sanctus being sung in Latin to a polyphonic setting, or the Isaiah, Might Seer (can't remember the German) chorale ... doubt that there was a chorale prelude, since it would have interrupted the connection between the Preface and the Sanctus. In any case, we don't have any extant compositions by Bach on that chorale.   There was no Canon ... Luther attacked THAT with pure Thuringan invective, to quote somebody. The pastor simply said the Dominical Words.   Then the Lord's Prayer was sung (to the Vater unser chorale? preceded by a chorale prelude)   Agnus Dei was sung, either in Latin, or to the "O Lamm Gottes" chorale, preceded by a chorale prelude.   We have chorale preludes on the Communion hymns (Jesus Christus, Unser Heiland, Schmuecke dich) ... perhaps some of the Partitas were also played alternatim.   Final chorale, and postlude (?) ...   What's noteworthy is that the chorales were sung unaccompanied, at least in Leipzig. We know they weren't at Muhlhausen, because Bach got fired for being too wild with his accompaniments (grin).   So the organ made chorale preludes and partitas and possibly played a prelude and postlude. It doesn't seem that it was used to accompany congregational singing. It would seem that the orchestra played a much more prominent role in the music. Bach seldom played the organ, leaving that to assistants.   OK ... that's a starting point ... now somebody PLEASE clean it up (grin)!   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - It's interesting to note that eucharistic vestments and incense were still in use at St. Thomas until the 1780s.    
(back) Subject: Fw: Trumpet From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:45:48 -0500   Shaking the cobwebs away--old age, you know-- I remember it being a Dennison trumpet?   Rick.   -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> To: e-mail organ chat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:44 PM Subject: Fw: Trumpet     >I was told it was Wurli. The toes are a definite V...and not the usual U- >shaped. > >Rick. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Rusczyk <rusczyk@ix.netcom.com> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:40 PM >Subject: Re: Trumpet > > >>Interesting...."about 7 inches"...Either is has been "worked on" >>or it is not a Wurli. Style D. All Style Ds were on 10 inches... >> >> >> >> >>You wrote: >>> >>>I have a WurliTzer style D Trumpet for sale. 61-pipes +AEA- 8 ' . >>About 7 >>>inch pressure. Resonators need some dents removed, and some tonal >>scrolls >>>need replacing. >>> >>>Price not established as of yet, so throw something at me--I'll duck. >>>Located just southeast of Indianapolis. >>> >>>Anyone in the area is welcome to stop by and check them out. The pipes >>are >>>in a private residence installation. >>> >>>Rick Veague. dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>> >>> >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >