PipeChat Digest #732 - Wednesday, March 3, 1999 MIDI interface by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: MIDI interface by "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> RE: New Chatter: ME by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Re: New Chatter: ME by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> RE: New Chatter: ME by "Charles Brown" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: New Chatter: ME by "bruce cornely" <email@example.com> Re: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ by "Robert Horton" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re:New Chatter Me by "Peggy J. Bendel" <email@example.com> Organ Book by "VEAGUE" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: ...Speaking of Improvs...... by "Richard Pinel" <email@example.com> Looking for parts by "Robert E. Dilworth" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Organ Book by "Jerry" <email@example.com> Re: Stops!!!! by "Jerry" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: ...Speaking of Improvs...... by "Charles Brown" <email@example.com> Re: Stops!!!! by "Matt Baker" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Fw: Fw: Trumpet by "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> Re: MIDI Equipment for Pipe Organ by "Dave Gorgas" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Organ Book by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> RE: New Chatter: ME by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Re: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Introduction by "Jason McGuire" <email@example.com> AGO Lost Members by <Myosotis51@aol.com> Re: MIDI interface by <ORGANUT@aol.com> Re: Fw: Fw: Trumpet by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
(back) Subject: MIDI interface From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 13:35:08 +0100 Hi, List: Does anybody knows were to get information about building a MIDI interface for an organ console? Very thanks. Jorge Gomez
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI interface From: John Vanderlee <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:11:43 -0500 (EST) >Hi, List: > >Does anybody knows were to get information about building a MIDI interface for >an organ console? > >Very thanks. > >Jorge Gomez Contact EMUTEK firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com They make all kinds of neat stuff John V
(back) Subject: RE: New Chatter: ME From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:12:14 -0500 (EST) Dear Pipechat list members: I've been on the list a mere 3 or 4 days and already I have found fascinating reading and items that will no doubt prove valuable for me. Mr. Charles Brown indicates he is in North Jersey. I have a fulltime position here on the Jersey Shore, where I conduct 5 choirs, run a somewhat successful concert series, and play our 24 rank Schantz 1995 vintage. I am most happy with our instrument (although I wish I had about 40 more ranks :). As I mentioned in my response to Mr. Pinel, I absolutely love improvising. But I also love conducting choirs. Getting folks to do what they previously thought they couldn't is one of the true joys of my vocation. Blessings on you all. I look forward to the many opportunities to share in dialogue with you, my colleagues. Cordially, Neil Brown, AAGO
(back) Subject: Re: New Chatter: ME From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:33:44 EST Welcome Neil-- Happy to have you join up with us. I am in central Jersey, older organ repairman, but play some too. Cheers, --Roc
(back) Subject: RE: New Chatter: ME From: "Charles Brown" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:45:10 -0500 Neil: Welcome to the group...I am in Bergen county (two Browns from NJ). Do you ever get up this way? Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com
(back) Subject: RE: New Chatter: ME From: email@example.com (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:47:05 -0500 (EST) Welcome to the list Neil. Combining improvising and choral directing is great fun. I enjoy making hymn-anthems by giving the choir directions on what/how to sing each stanza and then improvising accompaniments and interludes. What's the spec of your Schantz? I have just moved to First UMC of Gainesville and will be playing a 3/38 Moller 1940/78. GREAT 8 Principal, Bourdon; 4 Octave, Flachflote, 2 Waldflote, Mixture IV SWELL (Ged/Viola/Cel 1940) 16 Bourdon (*unit), 8 Gedeckt*, Viola, Celeste; 4 Principal, Flote*; 2 Gemshorn; Sesquialtera II; Scharf III-IV; 16 Bassoon (#unit); 8 Trompette, Hautbois#; Tremulant POSITIV 8 Holzgedeckt, Dolce ('40); 4 Spitzflote; 2 Principal (+unit); 1-1/3 Quintflote; 1 Principal+; 8 Dulzian; Tremulant PEDAL 16 Principal, Bourdon (sw); 8 Octave (ext), Gedeckt (sw); 4 Choral Bass; Mixture IV; 16 Posaune, Bassoon; 8 Trompette (ext); 4 Hautbois (sw) Basically a nice organ, but as all Mollers of 78 vintage, has had no tonal finishing. But that gives me a goal! bruce cornely firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ From: Robert Horton <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:00:14 -0600 >19th century American builders knew how to deal with acoustically dead rooms Let the list respond "Amen"! >I have often wondered why American builders didn't go back to their OWN >roots, rather than going to Europe and misunderstanding what they saw I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks our obsession with European models is a crock of **** (with due apologies to our friends across the pond). Whenever I'm introducing a beginning student to the stops of an organ, they invariably cringe in horror at the sound of the Scharffs and Zincks. ("You mean we actually have to use that sound!?") Perhaps we could learn something from their reactions. Simply put, dry rooms cannot "support" bright sounds. It becomes oppressive and painful. You need BODY and depth to the sound, and that means a forest of open foundation pipes ($$$). >and heard (not all ... but some, at least). Some of those big old Hooks >and Johnsons can hold their own against anything in France; and >certainly the Tannenbergs are as good as anything of the same period in >South Germany. Don't forget to mention the quality of workmanship that you see in those instruments. Most extant 19th century organs are around for a reason...they just don't make 'em like that anymore. Rob, feeling a burst of patriotism on Tuseday morning...
(back) Subject: Re:New Chatter Me From: "Peggy J. Bendel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:54:40 -0500 Neil -- I was wondering when you were going to emerge from "incognito". Welcome! Peggy B ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
(back) Subject: Organ Book From: "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:52:54 -0500 Hi... A while back, I asked for info. on an owner's manual for a WurliTzer church console organ model 4572-- I believe it was. The kind respondant gave me a phone number to call, and fffffffffffffftttttttttttt out the window it went. Could same kind respondant repost that phone number to get this manual, and I promise I'll close the window this time. Many thanks, Rick Veague.
(back) Subject: Re: ...Speaking of Improvs...... From: "Richard Pinel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:55:37 -0000 >I. Introduction and Fanfare >II. Jazz (make it strut, and boy did he! He ended up playing part of >it with a boogie bass!) >III. Fugue >IV. Tocatta This makes me feel a little better as I can improvise jazz a lot better than I can classical!!! Richard.
(back) Subject: Looking for parts From: "Robert E. Dilworth" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:10:46 -0500 We are looking for console parts from a Kimball or Welte console (theatre or classical). We need Combination pistons (the entire mechanism), console lights (theatre console "stalk" lights), foot "spoon" levers & mechanism. If you have any of these, please contact me privately. Robert E. Dilworth,President Dickinson Theatre Organ Society 1801 Milltown Road Wilmington, DE 19808-4011 302-995-2603 firstname.lastname@example.org home of the 3/66 Kimball Theatre Pipe Organ
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Book From: Jerry <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:13:08 -0500 Maybe this might help http://www.mitatechs.com/morelock1.html Jerry Riddle VEAGUE wrote: > Hi... A while back, I asked for info. on an owner's manual for a WurliTzer > church > console organ model 4572-- I believe it was. > The kind respondant gave me a phone number to call, and > fffffffffffffftttttttttttt out the window it went. > Could same kind respondant repost that phone number to get this manual, and > I promise I'll close the window this time. > > Many thanks, Rick Veague. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: Stops!!!! From: Jerry <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:46:42 -0500 Matt; I'm curious as to what kind of budjet your looking at and the time requirments. I am just a hobbiest that has thought of the same thing now & again. Jerry Riddle Matt Baker wrote: > (Newbie alert!!!) > > I'm looking at building a couple of electronic organs, and I need stop > info. I'm already familiar with just about every stop name there is. (A > few years ago I researched a number of books with stop dictionaries and > compiled a big list of over 800 stops along with descriptions). The > problen: I don't know exactly what most of them *sound* like, although I > do have descriptions of a lot of them, they don't really help that > much. Obviously this is going to be a problem if I'm going to be > building an organ. I suppose I could *invent* a sound for each > stop...uh...no. :) What I need is recorded samples of as many diferent > pipes/stops (playing individual notes) I can find, so I can analyze the > waveforms/harmonic makeup of each and build the circuit that produces a > similar waveform accordingly. The first organ will be a smallish analog > w/3 manuals/60-80 stops or so. I'm not going for mega-quality, just > something with decent sound/size I can play at home. (The electronics > aren't a problem: I've fiddled with audio electronics since grade > school.) I'm also looking at building a big 4-manual 400+ stop digital > one later on! (Want to see a preliminary stoplist? :) > > So my real question is..... > Do any of you know of anything like a database of sampled pipes (on the > Internet or elsewhere), recordings demonstrating stops, any sort of > collection of sampled stops/pipes, etc? > We do have two 100+ rank organs in town, one at my church, the other at > a church I visit fairly often. Wha I'll try and do is just take a good > tape recorder and mike, hit record, and go to work one stop at a time, > 10-15 notes each stop. Problem is, I don't have a good recorder (well, > I guess I could just use my tape deck), or that much time really. Have > any of you done something like this? > > So why am I doing this? Cuz I want to. :) I've been fascinated by and > sort-of around organs since I was 3 so I think it's time I learned to > play. > > If you can help, thanks... > > -- > < Transmit src: firstname.lastname@example.org ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html > Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com
(back) Subject: RE: ...Speaking of Improvs...... From: "Charles Brown" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:55:32 -0500 Well...Much of Baroque music is based upon improvisation. If you think about it, the basso continuo is an improvisation above a given bass line. How is that any different from many jazz improvisations today. The heart of a lot of jazz is the bass line. I strongly feel that most baroque composers would have been jazz people today Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com
(back) Subject: Re: Stops!!!! From: Matt Baker <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:36:31 -0800 Jerry wrote: > Matt; > > I'm curious as to what kind of budjet your looking at and the time > requirments. I'd like to have the big organ done by Christmas, so no hurry there, really. That will probably just be 1 or more ordinary PC's with interface cards, so there won't be too much to it. I probably won't get serious with that till later. But also I'd like to get a smaller analog organ built first, mainly for practicing and general fool-around. I can build most of that from scratch, so components and such wouldn't be much of an issue cost-wise. Parts like manuals I can probably get from people who sell stuff like that on the net. As for the case, I should to be able to build a decent one without too much trouble, I've done a tad bit of woodwork before. Budget-wise in general, I don't want to break the bank on them so that's partly why I'm building my own instead of getting a commercially available organ. Also, I want the specification and other things a certain way, so that's another reason. Especially with the big one. I don't think I've ever seen an electronic organ with 400+ stops on it, some of which are custom stops I'm making. The console I have planned so far looks like the Crystal Cathedral organ--only with even more stops (but only 4 manuals (unless I add a fifth) compared to the CC's 5). Also I think I'll make this console "take-apart" so it can be disassembled and be more portable that way--that's another thing I haven't seen done before. I have a *preliminary* spec made. If you want to see parts of it let me know. > I am just a hobbiest that has thought of the same thing now & > again. > Jerry Riddle You're thinking about building an organ too? Coolness. Do you have any actual plans or is it something you've just thought about? > Matt Baker wrote: > > > (Newbie alert!!!) > > > > I'm looking at building a couple of electronic organs, and I need stop > > info. -- < Transmit src: firstname.lastname@example.org ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: Trumpet From: "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:32:42 -0500 Checked the tuning wires on those trumpets today. There are NO brass sleeves around the tuning wires in the reed blocks. Rick -----Original Message----- From: ORGANUT@aol.com <ORGANUT@aol.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Trumpet >Rick, > >Does the tuning wire on the trumpet pass through a brass tube which has been >inserted in the block. All of my Wurlitzer reed ranks have a brass stiffener >that the tuning wire goes through. This was fairly standard on Wurlitzer >reeds. > >Later, >Phil L. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Administration: mailto:email@example.com >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Equipment for Pipe Organ From: "Dave Gorgas" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:06:42 -0800 You can check out our site at --- http://www.gorge.net/business/intermidi We've been the pioneers in this business since 1984. Dave Gorgas, Pres. >Hi, List: > >Does anybody knows were to get information about building a MIDI interface for >an organ console? > >Very thanks. > >Jorge Gomez Kind Regards, Dave Gorgas, InterMidi, Inc. firstname.lastname@example.org http://www.gorge.net/business/intermidi We accept VISA and MasterCard orders For FREE ADOBE Reader, download from: http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Book From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:22:15 EST Rick, You should be able to get the info you need (WurliTzer) at Morelock's Organ Parts, Rienzi, MS, (601) 462-7611. John
(back) Subject: RE: New Chatter: ME From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:26:09 -0500 (EST) Bruce, FMC, Gainesville What? Let's see if I can remember my Schantz specs: I'll have to do it from left to right on the console. PED: 32' resultant, 16' principal, 16' subbass, 8' octave, 8' subbass, 4' choral octave, 16' contre trompette, 8' trumpet, 4' hautbois, Great/Pedal 8 and 4, Swell/Pedal 8 and 4. SWELL: 8' spitzflote, 8' viole, 8' viole cel, 4' flute (I forget what), 2' octave, Plein JeuIII 8' hautbois, 8' trumpet, tremulant, Sw/Sw 16, Sw Unison Off, Sw/Sw 4'. Nave shutters off GREAT: 8' princ, 8' flute, 4' octave, 4' rohrflute, 2' blockflute, Nazard 2 2/3, Tierce 1 3/5 ?, IV Mixture, 8' trumpet, 8' hautbois, chmes, Sw/Gt 16,8,4, Great/great 16, great unison off, great/great 4'. Trumpet and oboe on each division are really from the swell. 4 levels of memory As we have a divided chancel, the great and swell are in chambers opposite each other, about 25' feet apart or so. Remarkably, both sides stay in tune with each other.
(back) Subject: Re: Lousy rooms as justification for no pipe organ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:31:11 -0500 (EST) Dear Mr. Horton, Do you teach at KU, study? I attended KU from 1985-88, getting Master in conducting. Your name does not ring a bell for me. When I talked to Burton Tidwell who voiced our Schantz, I said I wanted sweet mixtures: I knew I was right on, but I didn't know why. You have helped me understand why our mixtures are so pleasant in our space. The only reverb we get is thru the heating/ac ducts. At least it's something :)
(back) Subject: Introduction From: Jason McGuire <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:11:12 -0800 Greetings, My name is Jason McGuire and I recently (last week) signed up for Pipe Chat. I am a church organist and have played for about 35 years. My passion for organ, and for wanting to have a pipe organ (which I could not afford) at home, led me to Johannus which, I am sure you have noticed, is in my e-mail address. This is not an advertisement, but I thought I should also tell you that I am the Johannus dealer for northern California. If anyone has questions or comments about Johannus organs I am "all ears." My web site is www.johannus-norcal.com. (Sorry, I do not know how to make this an active reference to the site). I have enjoyed some of the discussions I have read and I also have met three very nice individuals with whom I have communicated individually ... thanks Mark, Larry and Dennis! Does anyone know how I could obtain the specifications for the Aeolian-Skinner organ at the Alice Millard chapel? Or, for that matter, is there a place where many pipe organ specs are readily available? Thank you. Jason
(back) Subject: AGO Lost Members From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:24:44 EST I found the following list of "lost members" in The American Organist, March 1999. The AGO needs help in locating dozens of members for whom they do not have a current address. If you know of the whereabouts of any of these, and can give their current address, call 212-870-2310 or Email firstname.lastname@example.org. Adrienne Cox, IA Andrew Vaughn, WI Annie Schott, OH Armelia W. Thomas Barbara A. Clark, TX Barbara Smillie, PA Barbara S. Taylor, SC Berneil W. Hanson, IA Bruce P. Bengston, PA Carolyn Garteiser, LA Catherine A. Naglak, OH Cecil E. Feaver, MA Charles R. Jones, PA Crawford R. Thoburn, NY David Szanto, MA Donald E. Kitchen, IL Donald Warfield, FL Donna E. Werderman, MI Fayola Ash, MI Fred Gundersen, TN Gerd Oldenbeuving Gordon L. Moodie Harriet W. Coupal, NH J.D. DeLong, FL Janice E. Lawrence, SD Jean Cho-Hee, CA Jean J. Wilson, CA Jennifer King, CA John D. Burkhardt, WA John A. Gambill, TX John C. Lydick, FL Joy R. Ross, NJ Katherine Keitzman, CA Kathy C. White, NC Louise Davey, OH Lynne Puckett, TX Malcolm M. Johns, MI Marilyn A. Dorman, CA Mark Fraser, NC Martha P. Hitch, NY Martha J. Jean, MD Mary Brownley, ID Megan Ranney, WA Melissa Moll, IA Michael L. Bachman, OH Nancy Kelley, SC Norman E. Nutter, HI R. D. Hendrickson, CA Randall W. Steere, MA Robert W. Bunn, OH Ronald J. Slabey, MI Ruth F. Gottlieb, VT Ruth M. Mickey, ME Stephan Olestan, CA Stephen W. Hunter, NC Steven R. Wright, CA Thomas J. White, SC Vicky Kiehl, AR William D. Halsey, NY William J. Lullo, CA I have already notified the AGO of John Gambill's email address - I know he's one of us at PipeChat. Yours, Vicki Ceruti
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI interface From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:02:31 EST Jorge, Can you make your question a little more specific? Are you talking about a midi interface for a pipe organ for the purpose of recording and playback? MIDI can mean several different things. I added MIDI record/playback to my pipe organ, but that is all it does. Later, Phil L.
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Trumpet From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:58:05 EST Then they definitely are not Wurlitzer. Later, Phil L.