PipeChat Digest #733 - Wednesday, March 3, 1999
 
Re: Introduction
  by "Matt Baker" <poinsettia@netxn.com>
Re: MIDI interface
  by <jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es>
Trumpets
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Introduction
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Introduction
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Fw: Fw: Trumpet
  by "Joe Vitacco" <jvitacco@interactive.net>
How many PipeChat'ers?
  by "Bass, Bill" <bbass@LibertyCorp.com>
Re: Introduction
  by "Matt Baker" <poinsettia@netxn.com>
Re: MIDI interface
  by "Matt Baker" <poinsettia@netxn.com>
Re: How many PipeChat'ers?
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: How many PipeChat'ers?
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Organist Position, Temple of Krisna Consciousness
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Introduction
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Silent Film event this Friday in Chicago (X-posted)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
RE: Organist Position, Temple of Krisna Consciousness
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: How many PipeChat'ers?
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net>
Re: How many PipeChat'ers?
  by "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com>
Re: The Organ & RC's
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Introduction
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Catholic Music and the Detroit Archdiocese
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Introduction
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Aeolian Skinner...........THE BEST restoration guys
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Aeolian Skinner...........THE BEST restoration guys
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: The Organ & RC's
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Matt Baker <poinsettia@netxn.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 02:23:06 -0800       Jason McGuire wrote:   > Does anyone know how I could obtain the specifications for the Aeolian-Skinner > organ at the Alice Millard chapel? Or, for that matter, is there a place where > many pipe organ specs are readily available?   I'm a newbie too, and not even an organist, at least not yet. :) Check out the Osiris archive at < http://osiris.wu-wien.ac.at/ftp/pub/earlym-l/organs/ >. There's tons of specs online at this site. It doesn't look like that particular one is listed but I'm sure sonebody here knows of it.   -- < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI interface From: <jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 12:51:57 +0100     Phil L. (ORGANUT@aol.com) wrote: <Jorge, Can you make your question a little more specific? Are you talking about a midi interface for a pipe organ for the purpose of recording and playback? MIDI can mean several different things. I added MIDI record/playback to my pipe organ, but that is all it does. >     I want to build a new "portable console" to be connected via MIDI to a PC soundcard.   I am writing a program for MS-DOS that reads the MIDI port and generates the appropiate sounds with a Sound Blaster 16 card. Using this program I have experienced different temperaments, like Meantone, Werkmeister, etc.   I already have a Viscount organ at home (2 keyboards and 30 note pedalboard, and MIDI), but i want another one easier to transport. I am testing the program with the Viscount organ.   The program that I am writing uses Midas sound system, that is a library which allows to play simultaneus sounds at any pitch. Midas is available on the Internet.   Jorge Gomez            
(back) Subject: Trumpets From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:17:12 -0500   Well, with the help of a few members, we have established the Trumpets I have available are not Wurlitzer. I strongly believe now that they are Dennison. Over 25 years ago when the Wurli. was purchased from the two guys who owned it, they DID say (I recall now) the trumpet was Dennison. Where's my cobweb duster? The post horn on the instrument is Gottfried- a real snorter. Anyhow, the trumpet is a complete 61-note 8 ' rank, voiced on 7 inches. Tonally, they are a good-sounding rank-- not over-powering, but they have a nice snarl. The pipes were used until replaced with a Tuba 8 '. As afore mentioned, some resonators need fender work, and some regulating scrolls need repairing. No price has been set, but it would be on a cash-and-carry basis from southeast of Indianapolis. If you're in this neck of the corn fields, write me and come on over and take a look. If you behave, I'll show you the 2m/9r WurliTzer under RE- construction in a beautiful southwestern-style two-story ranch house. I remain,   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net      
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 07:35:32 -0800   Matt Baker wrote: >   > > I'm a newbie too, and not even an organist, at least not yet. :) Check out the > Osiris archive at < http://osiris.wu-wien.ac.at/ftp/pub/earlym-l/organs/ >. > There's tons of specs online at this site. It doesn't look like that particular > one is listed but I'm sure sonebody here knows of it.   Thank you for replying, Matt. The Diapason index on this page has it listed. It is the Alice Millar chapel at Northwestern University, a 1964 Aeolian-Skinner. Somehow I thought it was built much earlier than that. I was not able to access the file since a password is required ... do you have any idea how to do that?   Jason > > -- > < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html > Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:41:44 -0500   The Northwestern University Alice Miller Chapel Aeolian-Skinner is 1961, Opus 1413, extant, 4 manuals, 74 stops, 70 registers, 100 ranks, 5235 pipes. It has had some minor changes, new Giesecke reeds, Brustwerke shutters and keyboards by Schlicker (Reed ranks eremoved and keyboards stored in chapel). I do not have a stoplist. Source: OHS Opus list compiled by Allen Kinzey and Sand Lawn.  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Trumpet From: jvitacco@interactive.net (Joe Vitacco) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:49:27 -0500   Yes a humor tape.   Joe Vitacco <www.greatorgancds.com>      
(back) Subject: How many PipeChat'ers? From: "Bass, Bill" <bbass@LibertyCorp.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:06:35 -0500   I'll probably live to regret this, but I'm posting it anyway...   Bill Bass Greenville, SC ==============================================================   Q: How many PipeChat'ers does it take to change a light bulb?   A: 1,343   1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light bulb has been changed; 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how much it brightened thier lives; 10 to flame that it was changed incorrectly and tell the original poster to RTFM; 32 to ask what "RTFM" means; 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs; 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs; 53 to flame the spell checkers; 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; 6 to argue over whether it´s "lightbulb" or "light bulb" 6 more to condemn the preceeding 6 as anal-retentive; 156 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to litebulb-l; 203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and illumination-l about changing light bulbs be stopped; 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs, therefore the posts *are* relevant to this list; 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty; 27 to post URL´s where one can see examples of different light bulbs; 14 to post that the URL´s were posted incorrectly and the post the corrected URL´s; 3 to post about links they found from the URL´s that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list; 33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and signatures and then add "Me too"; 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy; 19 to quote the "Me too´s" to say "Me three"; 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ; 44 to ask what a "FAQ" is; 4 to say "we just had this discussion a short time ago, search the archives." 101 to ask "where´s the archive?"  
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Matt Baker <poinsettia@netxn.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:16:42 -0800       Jason McGuire wrote:   > Thank you for replying, Matt. The Diapason index on this page has it listed. > It is the Alice Millar chapel at Northwestern University, a 1964 > Aeolian-Skinner. Somehow I thought it was built much earlier than that. I was > not able to access the file since a password is required ... do you have any > idea how to do that? > > Jason   I'm pretty sure all those can be downloaded by ordinary anonymous FTP. Just use your email address as the password. That's what I did, and it worked fine for me, at least for downloading specifications. The Diapason index is just for the Diapason articles it looks like--I don't think those go to the specifications. All the specifications are in a list (there's a link called "List").   -- < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI interface From: Matt Baker <poinsettia@netxn.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:22:33 -0800   jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es wrote:   > Phil L. (ORGANUT@aol.com) wrote: > <Jorge, > Can you make your question a little more specific? > Are you talking about a midi interface for a pipe organ for the purpose of > recording and playback? MIDI can mean several different things. I added MIDI > record/playback to my pipe organ, but that is all it does. > > > I want to build a new "portable console" to be connected via MIDI to a PC > soundcard. > > I am writing a program for MS-DOS that reads the MIDI port and generates the > appropiate sounds with a Sound Blaster 16 card. Using this program I have > experienced different temperaments, like Meantone, Werkmeister, etc. > > I already have a Viscount organ at home (2 keyboards and 30 note pedalboard, and > MIDI), but i want another one easier to transport. I am testing the program with > the Viscount organ. > > The program that I am writing uses Midas sound system, that is a library which > allows to play simultaneus sounds at any pitch. Midas is available on the > Internet.   Do you have a URL for Midas?   -- < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: How many PipeChat'ers? From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:25:46 -0500   At 12:06 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'll probably live to regret this, but I'm posting it anyway... > >Bill Bass >Greenville, SC >============================================================== > >Q: How many PipeChat'ers does it take to change a light bulb? > >A: 1,343     Plus one to say that I just checked your addition and found it to be correct!   So it is now up to 1344!   Bob Conway ...    
(back) Subject: Re: How many PipeChat'ers? From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:29:19 EST   Bill, out of 1,343 respondents, wouldn't ANYONE ask if the light bulb was gay? hehehe Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Organist Position, Temple of Krisna Consciousness From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:44:10 EST   This was found in the March 1999 edition of the "Crescendo", the Dallas Chapter of the A.G.O. newsletter ... enjoy!:   TEMPLE OF KRISNA CONSCIOUSNESS Organist Position   THE ORGAN: Our instrument is made of bamboo, elephant tusks and monkey dung. It used to be a practice instrument at The University of Michigan.   PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS: The organist must NOT be a Christian, Jew, or other unbeliever. The organist must accept the avatars of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva. The organist must not be an Untouchable or have been a spider or snake in a previous life. The organist MUST have four arms.   DUTIES: The organist must play at all Ganges baptisms, at all sacrifices of virgins to the goddess Kali, and in all airport lobbies.   COMPENSATION: We can arrange it so that in your next life you can be something other than a church musician.   For further information, contact Swami Prabhupada.   (Tongue in CHEEK - so don't flame me for it PLEASE!!!)   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Temple of Oak Cliff Lutheran ; ^ ) Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:14:27 -0800   > The Northwestern University Alice Miller Chapel Aeolian-Skinner is 1961, > Opus 1413, extant, 4 manuals, > 74 stops, 70 registers, 100 ranks, 5235 pipes. It has had some minor > changes, new Giesecke reeds, Brustwerke shutters and keyboards by Schlicker > (Reed ranks eremoved and keyboards stored in chapel). I do not have a > stoplist. Source: OHS Opus list compiled by Allen Kinzey and Sand Lawn.   Thank you, Judy ... it seems my information was not correct. I was of the understanding that (a) it was a G. Donald Harrison (which it could not be in 1961, it would then be Joseph Whiteford), (b) that it was original and untouched, and (c) it was the finest example of G. Donald's work in the US. OOPS ... well, do you happen to know which late G. Donald Skinner is considered his finest instrument?  
(back) Subject: Silent Film event this Friday in Chicago (X-posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:30:57 -0600   This Friday evening March 5th at 8 p.m., organist Dennis Scott will accompany the 1925 silent film "The Eagle" on the 3/17 Wurlitzer-Kimball in the 2,000 seat Gateway Theatre (Rapp & Rapp atmospheric), 5216 W. Lawrence Ave. in Chicago. The film stars Rudolph Valentino, Vilma Banky and Louise Dresser. Tickets are $10 at the door. For additional information call (773) 777-9438.   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *   For information about upcoming events in your area visit the Theatre Organs Current Installation data base at:   http://barton.theatreorgans.com/currentsearch.htm  
(back) Subject: RE: Organist Position, Temple of Krisna Consciousness From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:38:53 -0700     > For further information, contact Swami Prabhupada.   Please send me an application!   > (Tongue in CHEEK - so don't flame me for it PLEASE!!!) >   Darn!   Dennis  
(back) Subject: Re: How many PipeChat'ers? From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:46:23 -0600   Bass, Bill wrote: > > I'll probably live to regret this, but I'm posting it anyway... > > Bill Bass > Greenville, SC > ============================================================== > > Q: How many PipeChat'ers does it take to change a light bulb?   Some of us are ineligible for you party...We're too busy trimming our wicks.....   jc  
(back) Subject: Re: How many PipeChat'ers? From: "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:58:58 PST   I am coming out of lurking briefly to say this was one of the funniest postings I have seen in a while....   I am re-adapting it at once to send around to my entire company with pertinent changes....   Bravo & Thanks!   Steve LaManna   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: The Organ & RC's From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:16:49 EST   As a long time lurker I read daily the posts regarding music in our denomination. I wish to speak out now on behalf of my parish and the clergy therein.   I am the Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination at the National Shrine of the Little Flower in Royal Oak, MI. Royal Oak is a suburb of Detroit and we were granted "National Shrine" status last September by the Administrative Council of the Conference of American Catholic Bishops- and we are one of only five OFFICIAL "national" shrines.   Our Pastor and the four associates are all in favor of excellent and traditional music- that's why I was hired as was my associate. We have a professional Schola Cantorum who also serve as section leaders in the choir (to be augmented to eight next year), a 100 rank totally extant Kilgen pipe organ with dual consoles which is currently undergoing complete restoration and a magnificent structure which was buikt by Fr. Charles Coughlin (the "radio priest" of the 30s.)   To give an example, my position was formed a little over a year ago when Monsignor wished to have a "premier music program" in the wake of the upcoming national shrine status. Hence the hiring of two full time musicians- a principle and an associate. We have completely redone and remodelled the choir rehearsal room, have brand new offices with fiber optic computer hook ups to the rest of the church administration, a brand new Boston 6' grand piano for the rehearsal room and the list goes on.   Most importantly- we do excellent music here. We perform everything from unaccompanied Gregorian Chant Introits to Victorian English Cathedral anthem repertoire to Bach and Handel to Mozart to Schubert to Palestrina to Victoria etc etc etc. When I arrived we permanently retired Marty Haugen's "Mass of Creation" and have been using David Hurd's "New Plainsong Mass" and Richard Proulx's "A Community Mass." After Easter we will be learning the "St. Andrew's Mass" compoised by Canon John McCreary, retired Organist-Choirmaster of St. Andrew's Cathedral (Episcopal) in Honolulu.   We are presenting on Palm Sunday Mozart's "Vesperae Solennes de Confessore" with full orchestra, organ and choir. The four Sundays of Advent we presented Solemn Vespers (Evening Prayed) with the Schola Cantorum and have brass quintet and tympani at major Liturgies including confirmation, Easter Vigil and Easter Day, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, whenever the Cardinal is present, and at other big feasts.   We do NOT use Glory and Praise and, in fact- are getting new hymnals this summer. Currently they have Gather Comprehensive which we will keep for the Folk Choir and Life Teen Masses, but the main organ liturgies and daily masses do totally traditional music. We are going to get one of the following: A) Worship (GIA) B) The Adoremus Hymnal (Ignatius Press) C) Formulate and publish our own "Shrine Hymnal"   Our main liturgy on the weekends is the 10:45 am Choir Mass which has incense, chanted mass propers and ordinaries, two anthems (one at the offertory and a motet or anthem at communion) and is more ceremonial than the others which are still, incidentally, several steps ABOVE what most other parish churches around the area are doing. One will never see altar boys and altar girls mixed- it is either one or the other, all boys or all girls, at a given Liturgy.   Our music programs since my arrival last July now include: A) Parish Choir (including Schola Cantorum) B) The Schola Cantorum C) Junior Choir D) Adult Handbell Choir E) Youth Handbell Choir F) The Folk Choir (Saturday 6:30 pm mass) G) The Life Teen Band (Sunday 6 pm mass) H) The Resurrection Choir (sings at funerals)   So while we DO offer something for everyone- I am pleased and proud that the mainstay of our music program is organ and choir while, at the same time, offering other options for various factions of our 5000-plus-family congregation. By the way- the "choir high mass" is the largest attendance of all masses in a given week drawing over 2000 people at that mass alone.   In closing- an interesting thing happened my first week here following a daily mass where I had played the hymn "We Remember" (in keeping with what the church HAD been singing for the previous 13 years). I entered the sacristy following the mass to be greeted by two of our priests. They said, almost in unison- "Don't feel like you HAVE to do the St. Louis Jesuit songs here, in fact- we'd prefer NOT doing them at all."   'Nuf said.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower  
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:44:57 -0800       Jason McGuire wrote:(snip)   > do you happen to know which late G. Donald (Harrison) Skinner is > considered his finest instrument?   St. Paul's School, Groton CT; First Presbyterian, Kilgore, TX; (Episcopal) Church of the Advent, Boston, MA; The Tabernacle, Salt Lake City; unfortunately St. Mary the Virgin (NYC) and Grace Cathedral (San Francisco) have both been altered; don't know if St. Bart's (NYC) would qualify, but it's undoubtedly the LOUDEST. The Mother Church (Christian Scientist) in Boston was his originally, but Phelps was involved in a major renovation/rebuild when he died ... don't know if that included tonal changes or not. St. John the Divine (NYC) is a ruin mechanically, and he never had the funds to do what he wanted to there in the first place. Many others are gone or rebuild beyond recognition ... ironically, it's now the E.M. Skinners, rather than Harrison's work, that's considered (by some, at least) to be the real historical treasures.   Cheers,   Bud   > >    
(back) Subject: Catholic Music and the Detroit Archdiocese From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:38:10 EST   I wanted to state, as an addendum to my previous post, that my Parish is not the ONLY church in this Archdiocese doing good music.   Dr. Norah Duncan, organist at the Cathedral of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Detroit and Archdiocesan Director of Music is doing very good things down there and always has. In addition, he is now also on the organ faculty at Wayne State University. Dr. Deborah Friauff is the Director of Music at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit and is doing outstanding things with not only the music program at the Seminary Chapel but in teaching the seminarians as well.   Other churches that I know of PERSONALLY include St. Mary's in Redford Township and Assumption Grotto. nd I know without a doubt that there are others as well that maintain some tradition and strive to present good, traditional, solid Liturgy and music in their programs as well.   I am basing my own opinions on the huge influx of Glory and Praise and "renewal" music that seems to have taken over, for the most part, since Vatican II. Yes it is a wonderful thing to include, judiciously and with discretion, modern composition and styles of music where applicable and where it can be done tastefully. Sadly however, there ARE parishes where the musician and/or the clergy mandate this type of music as THE mainstay and THOSE programs make it more difficult for us who wish to maintain traditional standards to make our own programs successful. Do we want quality or do we want to merely take the esay way out and do all Glory and praise? I'll vote for quality. This involves a lot more work and rehearsal and effort- but the end result is so much more gratifying.   Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water and forget the great hymns and choral literature that have been such a huge part of our Roman Catholic heritage for so many years (and that music of other churches that fits well into Catholic Liturgy).   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:41:40 -0800   Bud/burgie wrote: > > > St. Paul's School, Groton CT; First Presbyterian, Kilgore, TX; (Episcopal) Church > of the Advent, Boston, MA; The Tabernacle, Salt Lake City; unfortunately St. > Mary the Virgin (NYC) and Grace Cathedral (San Francisco) have both been altered; > don't know if St. Bart's (NYC) would qualify, but it's undoubtedly the LOUDEST. > The Mother Church (Christian Scientist) in Boston was his originally, but Phelps > was involved in a major renovation/rebuild when he died ... don't know if that > included tonal changes or not. St. John the Divine (NYC) is a ruin mechanically, > and he never had the funds to do what he wanted to there in the first place. Many > others are gone or rebuild beyond recognition ... ironically, it's now the E.M. > Skinners, rather than Harrison's work, that's considered (by some, at least) to > be the real historical treasures. >   Hi Bud,   Thanks for the reply. I can add a little information on two of the organs you mentioned.   The Mother Church (1955 or 1956) was indeed finished by Phelps who's wife was organist of the church. In the early 1970's, when I was there, the organ had been altered in the sense that a certain associate had the upperwork brightened. He did this by having the lowest pipe removed, all the pipes dropped down by one and retuned, and a new pipe added at the top. It was really too much and I understand that has since been restored. The organs has about 235 ranks and there's a wealth of beautiful stuff in it, but not quite the E. M. Skinner strings I've encountered in such instruments as Trinity Episcopal Church in San Francisco (IV/55, 1924). I understand that the organ at TMC has been/is being restored and that some digital stops have been added, but I do not know the details yet.   Grace Cathedral (1934?) was purportedly G. Donald's favorite instrument. The strings are absolutely magnificent as is just about everything else on the original organ. Fortunatly, when that horrible Ruffatti 5M console was added and the Casavant additions, those additions were in totallly separate divisions (Gallery principal chorus, Bombarde principals and reeds) and none of the original pipe work was touched. Ed Stout takes care of that organ and I am told he would not stand for the slightest tinkering from the original design (and we can be grateful for that). And, as a recent other writer noted, his work is impeccable (i.e., Palace of the Legion of Honor in SF). I went to a slide show Ed did on the restoration of the Palace organ and, wow, the incredible attention to the most minute detail was something one had to see to really appreciate. The man knows what he's doing, for sure. It is too bad that the Palace organ is so burried. You hear it best standing outside the front doors when the "trap" doors are open (ones installed to allow the organ to be heard outside). Recently, the Ruffatti console at Grace was replaced with a new 4M drawknob console built by Shoenstein of SF. I have not seen it yet.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Aeolian Skinner...........THE BEST restoration guys From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:50:02 EST   Vic -   Does Ed Stout have an e-mail address? His partner (actualyy his partner's parents Ray and Doris Taylor- Ed's pard is their son ) are friends of mine when we used to live near each other in MD many years ago.   Didn't he just finish up a restoration on a big Estey in the legion of Honor (something like that I think).?   Rick Maryman Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Aeolian Skinner...........THE BEST restoration guys From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:00:24 -0800   > > Didn't he just finish up a restoration on a big Estey in the legion of Honor > (something like that I think).? > If you are referring to the Palace of the Legion of Honor in San Francisco, that is a 4M E. M. Skinner.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: The Organ & RC's From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:26:08 EST   Scott- You are one very lucky guy! Keep up the great work! R. J. Siegel