PipeChat Digest #738 - Saturday, March 6, 1999
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #736 - 03/05/99
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Hymn 666
  by "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: Rednecksville
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Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Matt Baker" <poinsettia@netxn.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Psalmody
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Diane Bish
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Diane Bish
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: Psalmody
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Shalom
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Diane Bish/Wichita info
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Psalmody
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Shalom
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Inclusive Language
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
RE: Inclusive Language
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Re: Shalom
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Shalom
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: stuff for sale
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re:No pipes in Kansas?................
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Diane Bish
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Shalom (ah, yes, Hebrew, too)
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: Diane Bish
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: No pipes in Kansas?................
  by <Tnbirke@aol.com>
Re: No pipes in Kansas?................
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(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #736 - 03/05/99 From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:53:59 EST   I tried downloading this file on March 6, 1999, at 8:54 am, but was told it was not available. What happened?   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Hymn 666 From: "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:13:47 -0800   Hi, In With One Voice, hymn 666 is Great God, Your Love has Called Us by Norman Cocker/ text by Brian Wren. This is the book a lot of ELCA congregations are using.   Brenda Durden The Frantic Organist Music Shop www.franticorganist.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:05:28 EST   In a message dated 3/5/99 9:13:29 PM Central Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Diane Bish has been away from Coral Ridge Church for a few years. And the most recent organist, Colin Something, left near the end of last year. I don't know who the organist is now. >>   If I'm not mistaking Ms. Bish is riding her Harley across America, but she's based in Indiana. Colin Howland took the position at Coral Ridge following Diane's departure. Colin is now the Organist and Assistant Music Director at Park Cities Presbyterian, Dallas.   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:07:43 -0600       DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > > If I'm not mistaking Ms. Bish is riding her Harley across America, but she's > based in Indiana.   Maybe it's with my soon to be ex-sister-inlaw, who decided to quit her elected office and do that to "find herself." Strange things happen when you turn 40, I guess.   Mrk      
(back) Subject: Re: Rednecksville From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:31:54 EST   In a message dated 3/5/99 9:47:16 PM Central Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Brother Gambill, You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and a bottle of Pepto Bismal :). Neil Brown >>   Well, I NEVER!!!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: Matt Baker <poinsettia@netxn.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:43:36 -0800   N Brown wrote:   > Dear Matt: > Diane Bish has been away from Coral Ridge > Church for a few years. And the most recent organist, Colin Something, > left near the end of last year. I don't know who the organist is now.   The Coral Ridge site < http://www.cr-online.com/ > doesn't say anything about who's organist now. There's a spec to the organ but not much more. There was an organist-job-opening page in the site for a while, but it's blank now. Looks like someone's there now.   > The new minister of music, John Wilson, > went there from my conference here in New > Jersey. I say "new", he's been there since July 1997. > I too have deep admiration for her contribution to our art. So many > folks have been drawn to organ music as a result of her work. Not to > mention, watching her show, we > get to visit beautiful cathedrals we might not otherwise see.   If/when I ever visit Europe that's what I'll be doing: visiting cathedrals and organ recitals and that kind of stuff. I know a couple years ago Diane Bish had tours arranged and advertised them on the show. Something like that would be beyond enjoyable.   The Joy of Music site is < http://php.indiana.edu/~joymusic/ >   -- < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:31:38 EST   In a message dated 3/4/99 10:36:08 PM Central Standard Time, usd465@horizon.hit.net writes:   << I don't want to do that here but I just want to say that Ms. Bish has done more for promoting the pipe organ than most of us have. (smile)? >>   Um, yeah, Ms. Bish is the Liberace of the organ world! :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Psalmody From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:44:51 EST   Dear Bud, Did you get that copy of the Mass I sent you. I have had an awful lot of e mail lately (less spam ironically) and I might have deleted your message. I would like to know what you thought of it. Peace, Paul  
(back) Subject: Diane Bish From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:48:35 -0600   Diane Bish is to present a recital in Wichita, Kansas on March 14th at the First United Methodist church on Norht Broadway. I saw a posting at our local Methodist college this morning. I believe it is an afternoon recital. I'll try and get more details.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:03:19 -0500 (EST)   Excerpts from mail: 6-Mar-99 Diane Bish by Frank Johnson@horizon.hi > Diane Bish is to present a recital in Wichita, Kansas on March 14th > at the First United Methodist church on Norht Broadway. I saw a posting at > our local Methodist college this morning. I believe it is an afternoon > recital. I'll try and get more details.   Maybe she'll ride down the aisle on her Harley, showering sequins on all like holy water.   Actually, I agree that La Bish has done a great deal to preserve such respect for the organ as is left in our culture. Sequins notwithstanding, I would not agree that she's the Liberace of the organ. She's better than he was. IMHO, of course. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:40:44 -0500 (EST)   IMO, Ms Bish is a much better musician than Liberace was, (Although I wish I could pay half as good as either one of them).   Furthermore, the seguins, rhinestones and glitter look much better on Ms Bish. Some men just can't wear sequins and glitter. (Pearls either)! <<<<<<<grin>>>>>>>   Bill Miami, Fl    
(back) Subject: Re: Psalmody From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:59:41 -0800   Refresh my memory, Paul ... DUH! Having a Senior Moment here. I got some Masses from Jerry at Holy Angels, but ... I haven't picked up my mail at the church since Wednesday.   Cheers,   Bud   CHERCAPA@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Bud, Did you get that copy of the Mass I sent you. I have had an awful > lot of e mail lately (less spam ironically) and I might have deleted your > message. I would like to know what you thought of it. Peace, Paul > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:00:50 -0800   Speak for yourself, Bill (evil grin)!   Bud   William Lengyel wrote:   > IMO, Ms Bish is a much better musician than Liberace was, (Although I > wish I could pay half as good as either one of them). > > Furthermore, the seguins, rhinestones and glitter look much better on Ms > Bish. Some men just can't wear sequins and glitter. (Pearls either)! > <<<<<<<grin>>>>>>> > > Bill > Miami, Fl > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:01:18 EST   In a message dated 3/5/99 8:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << what hymn does deserve to be number 666? >> Turn Back O Man??? (subtitled: Don't Go There)   Lynda Alexander Palo Alto    
(back) Subject: Diane Bish/Wichita info From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:14:16 -0600   Here is more information on the Diane Bish Wichita appearance:   March 14, Sunday First United Methodist Church 330 North Broadway, Wichita, KS 67202 (316)267-6244   11:00 a.m. Morning Worship Service   3:00 p.m. Recital   Frank       Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:37:15 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 12:42:09 PM Central Standard Time, theorganist@webtv.net writes:   << Furthermore, the seguins, rhinestones and glitter look much better on Ms Bish. Some men just can't wear sequins and glitter. (Pearls either)! <<<<<<<grin>>>>>>> >>   Hmmm, you haven't seen me in my diamonds, pearls, tiara then! : - )   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Psalmody From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:57:00 EST   Dear Bud, The Mass went out Monday so it probably is still at the church. Just let me know if that's the type you want. Peace, Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:23:19 -0600   John, why don't you send us a picture of that?   Glenda Sutton     > In a message dated 3/6/99 12:42:09 PM Central Standard Time, > theorganist@webtv.net writes: > > << Furthermore, the seguins, rhinestones and glitter look much better on Ms > Bish. Some men just can't wear sequins and glitter. (Pearls either)! > <<<<<<<grin>>>>>>> > >> > > Hmmm, you haven't seen me in my diamonds, pearls, tiara then! : - ) > > John    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:04:34 EST   OK.... you asked for it! It was me at Halloween '98 as HM QEII.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:19:55 -0600 (CST)   At 02:01 PM 3/6/99 EST, Lynda Alexander wrote: >In a message dated 3/5/99 8:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, >cremona84000@webtv.net writes: > ><< what hymn does deserve to be number 666? >> >Turn Back O Man??? (subtitled: Don't Go There)   It is a pity that "Turn back O man" is one of the most gender exclusive hymns ever written, because it is also one of the most racially inclusive. When our church, St. Mark's Episcopal in St. Louis was built in 1939, the Rector commissioned a tapestry, now hanging on the chancel wall, by artist Beatrice Boot, portraying people of all races worshiping together in the church, with the caption "Earth shall be fair and all her folk be one." In those days St. Louis was very much a segregated city. For his pains in trying to undo this, the Rector, the Rev. Charles C. Wilson, was investigated by the FBI as a communist agitator (no kidding!) Fortunately for the Mr. Wilson, his Bishop was a friend of President Roosevelt, and Mr. Hoover was firmly told to back off. For those who miss the hymn, now excluded from many hymnals, it is still possible to sing Gustav Holst's anthem which with its interesting organ accompaniment is IMHO much better than the hymn anyway.   John.    
(back) Subject: Inclusive Language From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:38:39 -0800   I believe in inclusive language, but I don't make a fetish of it ... once, when I was conducting Parts II and III of "Messiah" at MCC/SD, I was asked (told) to inclusify THAT. I refused, but I had to get up before the performance and make a speech about gender consciousness in Handel's time not being the same as it is today (!).   But, as a result of being on the staff there for years, I got pretty good at inclusifying other things ... for those who must, "Turn back, turn back, forswear thy foolish ways", etc. is serviceable. In verse two, "Earth might be fair, and all God's folk be wise", "Would we but wake from out our haunted sleep"; in verse three, "Peals forth in joy our old, undaunted cry". etc.   I still wince when we say "who for us MEN and for our salvation ..." in the Credo at St. Matthew's, but to those folks God is a man, the priest is a man, they're not about to change ONE WORD in the old Prayer Book, and gender roles are VERY rigidly defined, so there's no point in fighting a battle that's already lost.   Interestingly enough, the NEW Prayer Book LEAVES the Latin TITLE "Beatus VIR" for Psalm 1, but then begins "Happy are THEY". And the last time I looked, "Blessed" and "happy" didn't mean QUITE the same thing.   "I am a worm and no MAN" (same as the old Prayer Book) in Psalm 22 ... when we chant the Psalm for the stripping of the altars on Maundy Thursday, it's our custom for the men to sing vss. 1-3-5, etc. and the women 2-4-6, etc.; that phrase is in verse SIX, so the WOMEN always get to chant it. I just look up and grin ... if they've sung badly at any point in the service, I mouth the word "SEE??!!" I'm bad ... good thing we're in the back of the church!   In the same Psalm in the new Prayer Book, "forefathers" is allowed to remain; and another place in the Psalter (which I can't put my finger on) "EVIL men" .... hmmm ... wonder if somebody was trying to send us a message (grin).   I know it's not PC, but it IS nice to be in a place where I don't have to constantly rewrite everything. And the WOMEN are the most militant about NOT changing anything ... go figure.   Cheers,   Bud       John L. Speller wrote:   > At 02:01 PM 3/6/99 EST, Lynda Alexander wrote: > >In a message dated 3/5/99 8:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >cremona84000@webtv.net writes: > > > ><< what hymn does deserve to be number 666? >> > >Turn Back O Man??? (subtitled: Don't Go There) > > It is a pity that "Turn back O man" is one of the most gender exclusive > hymns ever written, because it is also one of the most racially inclusive. > When our church, St. Mark's Episcopal in St. Louis was built in 1939, the > Rector commissioned a tapestry, now hanging on the chancel wall, by artist > Beatrice Boot, portraying people of all races worshiping together in the > church, with the caption "Earth shall be fair and all her folk be one." In > those days St. Louis was very much a segregated city. For his pains in > trying to undo this, the Rector, the Rev. Charles C. Wilson, was > investigated by the FBI as a communist agitator (no kidding!) Fortunately > for the Mr. Wilson, his Bishop was a friend of President Roosevelt, and Mr. > Hoover was firmly told to back off. For those who miss the hymn, now > excluded from many hymnals, it is still possible to sing Gustav Holst's > anthem which with its interesting organ accompaniment is IMHO much better > than the hymn anyway. > > John. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:42:18 -0500 (EST)   Oh my, Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, it's a pipe organ! :-)    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:25:15 -0500 (EST)     >OK.... you asked for it! It was me at Halloween >'98 as HM QEII. John, And an excellent job of costuming, I might say! How DID you get the waterline soooooo straight? ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: RE: Inclusive Language From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:25:55 -0700     > > I believe in inclusive language,   Okay, here I go opening my big mouth. Let me first be sure my shoes are clean before inserting them into my mouth.   I DON'T believe in "inclusive" language. I believe our language is already inclusive. For example, when we say "mankind" are we eliminating "womankind?" Do you really believe when they wrote "Turn Back O Man" the writer was indicating that woman could just keep going on in that direction? Does "Once to every man and nation" tell us that women either don't get to make that decision, or have umpteen chances?   Is it even slightly possible that this fad of "inclusive" language is just one more symptom of the hyper-sensitive politically correct "Bowdlerism" that's making the rounds today?   Now, you may say that because I am one of the oppressor group, the white European Male, of course I would feel this way. Well, I don't know how I'd feel if I was in the other group, but I hope I would feel the same. So, take this as you will. If you think I'm a chavanist, well, you're wrong. If you think I'm getting wore out with all this political correctness and inclusive language et al -- you're right on there. And I don't listen to Rush. I prefer the classical station. More music, less gas.   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: Posthorn8@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:31:04 EST   Hey John,   Can I get a pic of you as the Queen?   Tim  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:34:15 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 1:21:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, jlspeller@stlnet.com writes:   << It is a pity that "Turn back O man" is one of the most gender exclusive hymns ever written, because it is also one of the most racially inclusive. >>   I agree with you!! I work in an inclusive language, More Light Church and we wouldn't dream of singing this!!! But...I thought it was a good selection for #666> LOL!   Lynda Alexander Palo Alto  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:08:44 -0800   > It is a pity that "Turn back O man" is one of the most gender exclusive > hymns ever written, because it is also one of the most racially inclusive. >> > > I agree with you!! I work in an inclusive language, More Light Church and we > wouldn't dream of singing this!!! But...I thought it was a good selection for #666> LOL! > > Lynda Alexander > Palo Alto >   I don't know exactly when this hymn was written, but I do know that in the late 1800's and early 1900's the term "man" was all inclusive and not sexist. It is modern useage and definition that does that. So, if the hymn was written when the word "man" included both men and women then the hymn is not sexist in intent. It is only sexist by our current definitions. Anyway, my 2 cents worth.   Jason McGuire  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:33:54 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 5:43:34 PM Central Standard Time, theorganist@webtv.net writes:   << Oh my, Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, it's a pipe organ! >>     What, they don't have pipe organs in Kansas? ;-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: stuff for sale From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:00:20 EST   Rick (hmmmm. heard that name somewhere before) -   I don't really need the consoles right now, but I do have a project underway for a new client that I would like to find a used 2' Principal or Flute stop on about 4'' w.p.   If you have anything available like that I could be interested.   Rick (there's that name again) Maryman Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:10:33 -0500 (EST)   Dear Stan, I agree with you. Diane Bish has technique and skill. Liberace had um well uh, what did he have? The only fault I have with her playing is that many of her registrations are too heavy -- the beauty of the instruments is often lost to her abundanza 16s Neil, Barnegat NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:11:19 -0500 (EST)   Of course there are pipe organs in Kansas. More of them and probably better quality than in S. Florida! Pipe, digital, analog, hammond, reed. parlour, theatre. I should have said; It's a (please insert your favorite kind here) organ. :-)   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re:No pipes in Kansas?................ From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:12:10 -0000     In a message dated 3/6/99 5:43:34 PM Central Standard Time, theorganist@webtv.net writes:   << Oh my, Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, it's a pipe organ! >>     What, they don't have pipe organs in Kansas? ;-)   John   I bet Reuter Organ Company (in Lawrence) doesn't know about this. JOHN            
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:15:17 -0500 (EST)   IMO Liberace was the KING of glissandos and arpeggios. (Sorry about not knowing the plural).   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:19:22 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 8:13:53 PM Central Standard Time, theorganist@webtv.net writes:   << Of course there are pipe organs in Kansas. More of them and probably better quality than in S. Florida! Pipe, digital, analog, hammond, reed. parlour, theatre. I should have said; It's a (please insert your favorite kind here) organ. :-) >>   I know... I was just making a joke! Y'all losen up... ya hear? :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom (ah, yes, Hebrew, too) From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:20:34 EST     In a message dated 3.6.99 8:14:09 PM, jason@johannus-norcal.com writes:   <<the term "man" was all inclusive and not sexist. It is modern useage and definition that does that. So, if the hymn was written when the word "man" included both men and women then the hymn is not sexist in intent. It is only sexist by our current definitions. >>   Not by mine; we still speak 1940s English at my house. Too old to change.   Sorry about More Light, but we're so inclusive that we even include people who speak even in the ancient tongues (English, Latin, Spanish, Greek, German, etc.) of the 18th and 19th centuries; we're tapering off on "thee" and "thou," though; they'll probably be gone in another few decades.   Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:16:05 -0600       William Lengyel wrote:   > Of course there are pipe organs in Kansas. More of them and probably > better quality than in S. Florida! Pipe, digital, analog, hammond, > reed. parlour, theatre. I should have said; It's a (please insert your > favorite kind here) organ. :-) >   That's where I got mine and my church got their pipe organ. From Wichita; Ronald Smith Organ Company, a three generation family of organ builders.   Cheers!   /s/ Mark    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:21:54 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 8:12:10 PM Central Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << I agree with you. Diane Bish has technique and skill. Liberace had um well uh, what did he have? >>   Bad fashion sense... see the thread now :-) LOL   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:17:58 -0600       DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > > I know... I was just making a joke! Y'all losen up... ya hear? :-) > > John   I know, I know! I just couldn't resist putting a plug in for my builder! /s/ Mark    
(back) Subject: Re: No pipes in Kansas?................ From: Tnbirke@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:26:55 EST   My introduction to pipe organs was at First Presbyterian in Topeka, Kansas...a beutiful old Moller.   Kansas has more to offer than one might think.   Tom Birkett Bartlesville, OK  
(back) Subject: Re: No pipes in Kansas?................ From: Pepehomer@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:33:05 EST   << Kansas has more to offer than one might think. >>   Heck, I never knew there was anything other than pipe organs before I left my small town in Kansas - I think every church there had a pipe organ! And the one that I played (on a volunteer rotation basis with 2 other older women) was the most popular in the town! Organists would just show up to our rural limestone church and ask to play - we were always shocked. Now I see why - if I could play it every day now, I'd be one of the happiest people alive!   Picture of it at http://members.theglobe.com/crazyllamas/llama_page_3.html   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA