PipeChat Digest #739 - Sunday, March 7, 1999
 
Help!!
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: No pipes in Kansas?...........
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: No pipes in Kansas?................
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: No pipes in Kansas?................
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: Help!!
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Help!!
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Help!!
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
Re: Psalmody
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
Re: Help!!
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: Shalom (ah, yes, Hebrew, too)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Help!!             pump organs
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Help!!
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Ms Bish
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Shalom
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Jim Hailey" <Bald1@prodigy.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "Jim Hailey" <Bald1@prodigy.net>
Re: Shalom
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Cyclone Blowers----was Diane Bish
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Bish Bashing
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Help!! From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:34:45 -0500 (EST)   Dear Chatters: I need your help, as soon as possible. In our fair town, we have lots of Antique stores. I went into one today to look for a desk for my wife. Lo and behold, there sat an Estey Pump Organ that looked relatively intact. I didn't play it because I didn't want someone else to get interested. The price tag said $500, but it also said 40 percent off. Assuming it plays well, is that a good price? I'm thinking 300 is a steal. Please enlighten me. Then I'll try to convince my wife :) Thanks, Neil Brown, Barnegat, NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: No pipes in Kansas?........... From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:36:14 -0500 (EST)   It was said tongue in-cheek folks, I couldn't just quote Dorothy, had to mention organs, that's what the list is about!   I am taking my marbles and....never mind, I don't have any left.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: No pipes in Kansas?................ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:38:05 -0500 (EST)   Tom, AMEN! I went to grad school at Univ of Kansas, where they now have a world class organ recital hall. There are a lot of hidden treasures in Kansas. The guys were making attempting to make a joke that really didn't work. Incidentally, Diane's hometown is Wichita, isn't it? Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: No pipes in Kansas?................ From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:20:47 -0500 (EST)   N Brown wrote "The guys were attempting to make a joke that didn't work."   Beg your pardon sir, some of us were Laughing Out Loud.   Some of you obviously choose NOT to read or ACCEPT my apology before jumping on your soapbox. In begging for your forgiveness, I offer a small gift. You may choose either or both; A box of PRUNES or PREPARATION-H.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Help!! From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:21:56 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 8:41:34 PM Central Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Estey Pump Organ that looked relatively intact. I didn't play it because I didn't want someone else to get interested. The price tag said $500, but it also said 40 percent off. Assuming it plays well, is that a good price? I'm thinking 300 is a steal. Please enlighten me. >>     My mom is an anique dealer. She says that if the bellows are still in tact you are getting a steal for $300.00   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Help!! From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:39:01 -0500 (EST)   John, thanks for reply. Will I know Bellows are intact merely by playing it? Or will I have to open up the console and look? by playing, I mean pumping and playing Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Help!! From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:01:41 EST     In a message dated 3.6.99 9:41:34 PM, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   <<In our fair town, we have lots of Antique stores. >>   You forgot to mention the name of the store. Is it open on Sunday? (Where's that ATM?)   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:04:49 EST     On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:25:55 -0700 "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> writes: > >> >> I believe in inclusive language, > >Okay, here I go opening my big mouth. Let me first be sure my shoes >are clean before inserting them into my mouth.   You're supposed to take your shoe off before putting foot in mouth - unless it's an Organmaster, of course!     >I DON'T believe in "inclusive" language. I believe our language is >already inclusive.   **snip**   >And I don't listen to Rush. I prefer the classical station. More music, >less gas. > >Dennis > Bravo, Dennis!   I haven't seen a Christian prayerbook in years, so can't comment on them. The siddur my congregation uses makes provision for inclusiveness, if the congregation wishes to use it. From what I gather, most don't, but it's nice to have it, anyway.   Many prayers were de-gendered in the translations from Hebrew to English, but, since Hebrew is a gendered language, it's impossible for it to be neutral. Kind of funny to read, in English, "we/us/people/person" but see a clearly masculine word in the Hebrew text.   Shalom, Preston Wilson p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Psalmody From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:04:49 EST     On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:29:41 -0500 (EST) cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) writes: >If we are going to considering singing the psalms, it would be very >interesting to know how they were sung originally. Hopefully the >orginal language was more singer-friendly. What kind of melodies did >they use; I have difficulty imagining the Jews sitting around singing >these long unmetrical things in chant. > Dear Bruce,   Find an Orthodox or Conservative congregation in your area with a cantor, and ask him. Or, if you're in or near a community large enough to support one, ask the Jewish Education agency for information on their music resource library. I assume most JEAs have one; the one in San Diego is great, with videos, cassettes, CDs, and loads of sheet music.   Until fairly recently, Jewish cantillation was passed down orally; Torah cantillation (trop) is still mostly a memorization process. There is notation, of a sort, but mostly it's memorized. There wasn't any musical notation like most musicians are used to. There are melodies for the Psalms, but I don't know if they date from Temple times.     Shalom, Preston Wilson p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Help!! From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:05:53 -0500 (EST)   Dear Alan, Sir, I shall not reveal such secrets.    
(back) Subject: Fw: Shalom (ah, yes, Hebrew, too) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:10:18 -0500   Often times in Scripture, "man" refers to man-kind =humans = people = male and female. Why the problem?   -----Original Message----- From: Afreed0904@aol.com <Afreed0904@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Shalom (ah, yes, Hebrew, too)     > >In a message dated 3.6.99 8:14:09 PM, jason@johannus-norcal.com writes: > ><<the term "man" was all inclusive and not sexist. It is modern useage and >definition that does that. So, if the hymn was written when the word "man" >included both men and women then the hymn is not sexist in intent. It is only >sexist by our current definitions. >> > >Not by mine; we still speak 1940s English at my house. Too old to change. > >Sorry about More Light, but we're so inclusive that we even include people who >speak even in the ancient tongues (English, Latin, Spanish, Greek, German, >etc.) of the 18th and 19th centuries; we're tapering off on "thee" and "thou," >though; they'll probably be gone in another few decades. > >Alan Freed > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: Help!! pump organs From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:14:59 -0500   I saw one in Goodwill for $119.00. Pumps were removed for a vacuum pump..Chicago Cottage with minor cabinet repair.   Rick.   -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Help!!     >In a message dated 3/6/99 8:41:34 PM Central Standard Time, >Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes: > ><< Estey Pump Organ that looked relatively > intact. I didn't play > it because I didn't want someone else to get > interested. > The price tag said $500, but it also said 40 percent off. > Assuming it plays well, is that a good price? > I'm thinking 300 is a steal. > Please enlighten me. >> > > >My mom is an anique dealer. She says that if the bellows are still in tact >you are getting a steal for $300.00 > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Help!! From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:26:55 -0800   At 09:34 PM 3/6/99 -0500, N Brown wrote: > Lo and behold, there sat an Estey Pump Organ that looked relatively >intact. <snip> > I'm thinking 300 is a steal. Unless it's one of the 2 manual models, I'd think that's a bit much (IMHO, YMMV, yadda yadda yadda). I paid about $100US for my Thomas (in very good shape excepting needing the bellows recovered)...pretty much fair value in my area (central Ontario, Canada). With the exception of one antique dealer who uses them to make desks, none of the dealers in my area will touch a reed organ....they say they can't sell them. You might want to take a look at The Reed Organ Home Page http://cs.bluffton.edu/~estell/organs/home.html . It has links to some great resorces, such as the Reed Organ Society's mailing list. Very helpful list, and the amount of traffic is quite manageable.   Have fun! Ad ;-> http://maybe.tsx.org    
(back) Subject: Ms Bish From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:36:28 -0500   I've been reading the posts on the Bish-bashers, and the Liberace costume wardrobe. Have you forgotten Ms Bish is the only person who has/ had a weekly television program featuring pipes from Europe?--- and very nicely done too. You nor I could never afford to do what SHE has done in promoting the instrument. I for one am glad she had the facilities for doing it.   Rick.      
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:54:25 EST   In a message dated 99-03-06 19:28:28 EST, dgoward@uswest.net writes:   << Turn Back O Man" >>   Has anyone ever played that for a wedding? Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:54:23 EST   In a message dated 99-03-06 18:37:43 EST, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << I still wince when we say "who for us MEN and for our salvation >>   Oh....come on now you guys (gals or whatever). MEN IS INCLUSIVE!!!! See the first chapter of the Bible: Genesis 1:27 "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."   Only recent versions which have bowed to radical feminism have anything different. Jerry, the Puritan/Calvinist in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:58:34 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 5:14:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, jason@johannus- norcal.com writes:   << I don't know exactly when this hymn was written, but I do know that in the late 1800's and early 1900's the term "man" was all inclusive and not sexist. It is modern useage and definition that does that. So, if the hymn was written when the word "man" >>     Think about women's rights in the 19th century and THAT will give you some idea about how "inclusive" this hymn was. We didn't even have the vote!!! I haven't seen any woman commenting about the so-called "inclusiveness" of this hymn...   I am not from the die-hard school where I would ever consider re-writing Messiah, but when it is appropiate, it is important. I have seen what it can do in a congregation that is way ahead of its time (since 1970) inclusive language has been upheld. This church is just down the road from Stanford, we have some very liberal, highly educated members (Robert McAfee Brown, for one) who value every human and stand for truth and justice. Our mission statement stresses the importance of this (inclusiveness) and states that gays and lesbians are welcome. This, to me is what Christ was about...   Lynda Alexander Palo Alto  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: "Jim Hailey" <Bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:48:46 -0600       ---------- > From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. > Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 8:19 PM > > In a message dated 3/6/99 8:13:53 PM Central Standard Time, > theorganist@webtv.net writes: > > << Of course there are pipe organs in Kansas. > John >   And they are equipped with cyclone blowers.     Jim H > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: "Jim Hailey" <Bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:51:24 -0600       ---------- > From: Frank Johnson <usd465@horizon.hit.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. > Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 9:41 PM > > But WHERE IS SHE!!! ;-) hehehe > > > >bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net > Probably practicing or performing somewhere (GRIN)! > > Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) > Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader > http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ > 1922 E. 14th > Winfield, KS 67156 > > I was told by my local Allen dealer that if you buy a new Renassaince model, I believe he said signature series, that she will voice it for you and play the dedication service.   Jim H > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:34:24 -0500 (EST)   Lynda,   Is the church of which you speak associated with a particular denomination?   Bill    
(back) Subject: Cyclone Blowers----was Diane Bish From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:40:48 EST   Ahhh,,,could this be a new business for Spencer,,,,,Spencer Cycloblo ??? Be the first opus in your state to have one! Um,,,if they need a new motto,,,how about "we put lots of Kinetic energy into our cyclone blowers" OR-- "this aint no Zephyr breeze in your windlines   Cheers, --Roc  
(back) Subject: Bish Bashing From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:49:35 -0500 (EST)   Mr. Veague,   I have just finished reading every post with reference to Ms Bish-saved, sent and discarded and must have missed something. I could not find any posts that bashed her. Would you kindly forward the one(s) in question to me.   William Lengyel